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An in-depth analysis of what I DIDN'T like about Prometheus...

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Tromatizer

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 3:10 AM
Let me start by saying that I really did like Prometheus. I thought it was well worth the money spent, had some great ideas behind it, and had a wonderful cast. I really don't feel the need to talk about what I did like in detail because it's not what we like that matters, it's what we don't like or are confused about because there can only be one of three reasons why: 1- personal taste, 2- artistic ambiguity, 3- inability to convey the idea at hand. Having said that... ... there are a few aspects of the movie that sort of broke it for me. I haven't read any other reviews so if these notions have already been discussed to death, I apologize. Also, I've only seen it once so maybe I didn't quite grasp everything the first time, although I am pretty detail oriented when it comes to, well, everything. I take my first issue with the character of David. His boy-like demeanor is endearing, but his motivation leaves me yearning for more understanding. As an android, he doesn't have "wants" or "needs", yet he seems determined to act with a purpose, one which could only be culled from a personal agenda that he supposedly doesn't have. Non-programmed priorities of his own will. In many ways, David is the purest antagonist in Prometheus. He is both accepted and somewhat despised, seemingly by everybody for one reason or another. The unlikely, unappreciated, yet necessary, relationship that David and Shaw share by the end of the film can only solidify this proposition. David plays out much like a classic Judas or Brute. In and of it's self, I find this a wonderful element to the overall story... but I feel it would be better executed in a dedicated medium, if not film than book. But that isn't the case, unfortunately. Instead, that idea was placed within a larger which, in theory works but is unbalanced in execution. The larger theme in Prometheus is, of course, meeting our makers. That is the plot element that drives all other ideas in the film, which brings me to more motivation issues... this time concerning Holloway. Here is a doctor who is on the search for HIS maker, HIS creator, yet he treats David with the highest amount of contempt and even hatred. How can someone (a doctor who thinks both abstract and analytically as per his actions/reactions in the film) who recognizes them self as being the product of creation, be so cruel to another product of creation? I suppose that's the big question we ask ourselves everyday about those around us. An important theme, but it is not explained and lives only as the interaction between Holloway and David. But once again, what is the motivation for this? For it to play such an important role in how the film pans out, it should have a clearer explanation. I feel character motivation suffers in Prometheus as it did in Alien (which is the ONLY Alien comparison I will make, but only because it is a directorial flaw in two similar works and not actually comparing to the film it's self). In Alien, Scott had these characters who each acted a certain way, but he had no motivation for such archetypes. The actors struggled with this to the point where Scott had to come up with back stories for the actors to pull from. This, of course, was in the middle of production so the ideas were brief and vague, allowing the talent to pull from that when necessary. In Prometheus, Scott had well-crafted back stories and specific motivations (many of which the audience is left out on) so the talent creates characters who are a sum of their past, rather than vague archetypes who pull upon their experience in the past to craft where they are going. I'll use Holloway and David as examples, but also Vickers, Janek, and Shaw (to some degree). I felt that this made the film more of a story than a portrayal of human drama or even horror. In the end, of course it's a story... but do you have a beautifully shot work of art, or a beautifully shot Hollywood blockbuster? I feel the characters, while unique, fell victim to the mediocrity of the major studio expectations. But this, in part, is due to the lack of motivation for the audience. Certainly there are individuals who are "one dimensional", but to have so many in one ship, in order for anyone to maintain their specific attitude and thought process, we need some understanding of that motivation. Speaking of character design, I was left baffled by Shaw half way through. She looses her lover, finds out she is pregnant with some sort of genetically altered fetus, has it removed while conscious, finds out Weyland is alive and on the ship, finds out there is a living engineer... all a very short span, a day (maybe 2, max... but doubtful). Certainly she would experience shock, but for such a long period of time, there is no way she wouldn't crash. A body can only supply so much adrenaline before it is forced to rest. Plus, the shots she was giving herself appeared to kill pain. There is no way she would have been able to continue so long without resting. Maybe, of course, she was genetically altered by sleeping with Holloway, but this is never explored or even hinted at, so the average viewer will not understand. The absurdity of it only further compels the "major summer blockbuster" formula that is so rampant in big screen entertainment today. I find it hard to believe that Scott would over look such an obvious flaw. I suppose if the film was intended as a Hollywood story, then it is fine... but I expected something less mainstream. I will probably get stabbed for saying this but Guy Pearce had no place in this film. Weyland should have never even been aboard the Prometheus to begin with. That element has been played before, many times over... and within the same franchise (albeit, different "universes). Weyland in Prometheus was essentially the same Weyland in AvP, only this one was motivated by greed while the AvP Weyland was motivated by accomplishment. Furthermore, the aged make up looks blatantly fake. Scott spoke in interviews about how he wanted to limit the digital effects as they add a less than genuine look and feel to a film, yet the prosthetic aging application was probably the least visually appealing aspect in the entire film. I have more to touch upon, such as continuity (what happened with the creature that shot out of dude's mouth? Why did no one else speak about Shaw's baby?) and more motivation( Why was Janek and his two (I'm assuming) unnamed companions so willing to just up and die, especially not having any idea what was happening and the gravity of the situation?), but I want to talk about one last thing before I pass out: the "aliens". I loved the proto-facehugger. The proto-hugger, I get it. There were tiny worms, they got in the goo, they "evolved" into larger worm things. Holloway transforming, I get it. His dna is changing, not just breaking down but creating life within it's self. Fifeild, I'm still confused on that creature's motivation and how it decided that the best way to walk to the Prometheus was WITH IT'S LEGS BENT BACKWARD OVER IT'S HEAD. I do, however, get the Alien reference with that, and that he is no longer quite human and thus, his actions are understandable. The Shaw baby, even that I can get. It still retains it's sperm-like appearance, Holloway was infected after all (the tentacles, I guess, are from Shaw's side of the family...). The starfish beast (which, ironically [or maybe not so much], a "leaked" script spoke of a "STAR BEAST" at the end of the film...) I do NOT understand. I understand the starfish as we know it, it is an extremely ancient echinoderms. I don't get how THAT comes from a reconstruction of one of Holloway's sperm cells and whatever genetic material it took from Shaw's egg. Spermy/squid baby, feasible. Starfish monster, very unlikely and a little absurd. Especially considering how many tentacles it had, and how more and more kept coming out. The other creature I didn't like was the engineer "xenomorph". The effects felt like an homage to Alien 3, while the whole scene seemed forced and only put in to "appease" the franchise fans... making it the weakest part of the film. Having said all of that, it was still a good film. I enjoyed it thoroughly, I just felt that there were some motivation issues and execution problems that made the film not as cohesive as it could have been. I'll certainly be seeing it again this weekend just to make sure I caught everything. And on that note, I'm passing out.
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Westy

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 4:26 AM
I think the average viewer understood what happened to Holloway fine. There are many obvious hints that David infects him, and the only logical conclusion is he spread it to Shaw. I'm drawing this conclusion because I am an average viewer, and it doesnt take a genius to figure it out. I think Janek's transformation from Captain to hero is logical and clear, you can see his priorities change after Fifields rampage in the hanger.

Slipp_Digby

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 5:19 AM
@Westy You clearly see David put it in the drink. Its not hinted, its a party political broadcast. Ignoring the stupidity of infecting someone with an unknown biological agent within the ship, the point being made is that David's motivation for infecting Holloway is very unclear, yet it drives much of the events that follow. Its a pivital scene. Why the subterfuge? Why does David appear to take such pleasure in this, he doesnt have feelings? Why do something so risky when it wont clearly lead to Weylands goal because its effects are unknown? The whys just go on and on............

Nickel

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 2:20 PM
@Slipp_Digby.....spot on man....too much of that kinda stuff @Tromatizer.... good post man....one little thing...... i think its safe to assume...that SHAW didn't produce her own Embryo....but rather the infected Alien DNA from Holloway just started to Grow in her womb...Shaw was infertile and couldn't have children and it's unlikely to presume she started to produce eggs to form into embryos just cause she had sex with Holloway.SHe wasn't infected or altered in anyway before having sex...it was hollow ays infected Spermic dan that was passed and began to grow..and really you just have to think about all the other Aliens that have grown inside humans in the ALIENS series....some of them where men...most notably the very first....in Alien....John Hurt didn't need to produce his own embryos to give 'Birth' to n Alien...it just grew inside him....its of its own volition .....good post enjoyed it :)

Nickel

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 2:22 PM
****holloways infected spemic DNA***

Tromatizer

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 3:17 PM
@ Slipp, thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to get at lol @ Nickell, I thought that too, that it just grew in her, but it clearly had an embryonic sac as well as an umbilical which led me to believe that her eggs may have had some thing to do with it, but then again I think I'm looking way too deep into it because that would mean that she had to have been ovulating that one time they had sex on screen, which is very unlikely. It does leave me to worry, though... Imagine in Holloway HAD survived, would that thing be in his nethers?! lol

Nickel

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 6:06 PM
@tromatizer yeah man i completely get where your coming from...and whose to say I'm completely right either...it just seems consistent with the way it's done in these ALIEN type movies....just like we say....she would have to be ovulating that one time after not being able to produce life.....nah doesn't really make sense....i do think if we want to go into it....that the alien DNA attached to her womb and grew its own amniotic type sac and umbilical chord....to feed of her initial nutrients...but again thats a whole other concept and idea that they didn't bother to cover in the film...here's one for you....when it was born...(and i've seen the film twice now) it has a head and what looks like a slit in the head for a mouth....with the tentacles and its (presumably productive) opening at the back....yet theres no head...when we see it as a full grown (movie deal breaker) proto hugger or whatever....ahhh who cares really just another flaw in the film for me.... :)
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