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Black Goo = Miracle Gloo - And other random thoughts

Peej

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First post, saw the movie last night, definitely mixed feelings. Thinking on the concepts, lots of potential but like many I was completely taken aback by some of the dialogue and character's actions. A movie is about suspension of disbelief, but there are still rules and as an audience member I expect characters to react in a believable way. There were things that have already been discussed in this forum where characters did things that jolted me out of the cinematic experience! Anyway, still think the movie raises some interesting ideas. Here's a list of personal observations and open questions if anyone feels free to throw in on the discussion! 1. The Black Goo (and resulting aliens) - Interesting, but confusing: a) it seeds life on earth by breaking down and then rewriting the host dna if dropped into water (salt water?); I assume that stuff in the jar that the engineer drank at the beginning was black goo... a) It turns worms into GIANT phallic cobra worms that like to break arms and hide inside people's thorax for fun (Milliburn just stayed dead and wasn't impregnated as far as I could tell since the cobra worm just jumped out of his mouth and slithered away when they discovered his body later); [b]Why was he just killed and not impregnated?[/b] b) In a dead human ie Fifield, they become a fast moving and extremely flexible zombie (or was that the acid from the giant cobra that melted his helmet and not the black goo?); AGAIN, it didn't seem to impregnate him to give birth to offspring - it mutated and reanimated him. That's assuming the acid killed him and the black goo then worked it's magic. Which of course begs the question as to why the black goo didn't reanimate the dead engineers since we share their DNA? c) it makes engineers heads explode when you add electricity; d) if a human drinks it, they get a wormy eyeball and then later disintegrate; e) Back to the dead engineers, it seemed to be responsible for something that impregnated them while alive and later burst through their heads (apparently), killing them. SINCE the engineers seem Asexual - or at least male and definitely lacking a uterus - it somewhat makes sense that the creature has to make it's own orifice to get out and be birthed. On the other hand... f) if mixed with sperm and ejaculated into an infertile woman it creates a giant squid that prefers bursting through the stomach (rather than the more convenient vaginal opening which would require less effort, no?) and reproduces by facef-cking the host (engineer) and planting an egg in the thorax that turns into a five foot murderous toothy salamander that erupts from the chest. Personally, I think it would have been creepier if Shaw had "birthed" the alien naturally! Frankly I have no idea what the black goo is or does exactly and I don't think the writers do either. It's like Miracle Glue (Miracle Goo?): it does anything that the writer needs for that particular scene to further the plot and "stick" certain scenes together! 2. Green Sparkly Goo - Is this the stuff that makes the original Xenomorph? a) David first encounters it as a residue on the control pad he accesses to start the hologram recording. He examines it between his thumb and forefinger, sniffs it and says "Impressive". (ON A SIDE NOTE: He then miraculously punches/slides the correct sequence of buttons to start the hologram. How the h-ll did he do that? And then minutes later open the door with the correct "password"? WTF? Did the Green Sparkly Goo somehow give him the correct password or download a ship operating manual into his head? Made no sense.) b) Then we see the Green Goo in a capsule in the giant Head Room. Holloway comes across it separately placed (and elevated) on a pedestal (?) directly in front a mural of THE ORIGINAL ALIEN in a Christ like pose. 3. Fifield and Milliburn - Comic relief. Idiots no one cares about - the geologist who smokes dubes, gets lost and doesn't care about the rocks on an alien planet and the biologist who's afraid of a dead body but talks to an alien snake likes its a baby kitten. Seriously? 4. The two guys in the scouting vehicle - Took off after running over Zombie Fifield and went... where? 5. Captain Janek and his Merry Men - A holiday loving, harmonica playing, horny "Sh-t pilot" (hired on a trillion dollar mission) looking to get laid in outer space by the bosses daughter and also enjoys upsetting (and lying to) lost crew members for no apparent reason, while his two co-pilots giggle in the background and make stupid bets about the meaning of life. Towards the end suddenly seems to take the mission seriously and the danger to Earth and becomes inexplicably noble (and his crew). Imho, more idiots no one cares about when they die. 6. The Weyland, Vickers and David Trinity a) Peter Weyland - the aging, dying patriarch (king); b) Meredith Vickers (Weyland) - the only "heir" and "desexed" to be more like a son c) David8 - the emasculated and (bastard) "son" who can't inherit. Both "sons" seemingly hate their father and want him dead. Nice character concepts (lots of potential) but hiding Weyland the elder on the ship seemed completely stupid; but having the Engineer kill him with David's head was a nice touch. Vickers' death seemed pointless and underwhelming. Assuming she's dead, of course: when the other engineer ship takes off with Shaw, it's been several days and we have no idea who's on board with her other than David presumably. Given the movie I just saw, anything's possible I think. 7. Holloway and Shaw - She's infertile, therefore looking "out there" for life; Holloway's angry that they'll never have a child together, wants to ask his creators "Why". Two more interesting character concepts. Execution and dialogue left something to be desired for me. Particularly Holloway's aggression and anger at David8 seems unmotivated and is never explained that I can see. 8. Shaw and David8 - She's religion, he's science. At the end they have to work together to move forward even though they don't particularly like one another. Together they make a complete whole. Pretty obvious "banging over the head" message there. 9. The Engineers - A mystery wrapped in an enigma, etc. Are they Gods, or just other creations of the Gods? In seeding life on Earth and other planets are they trying to mimic their creators (as Humans do by creating Androids) or following orders "from above". Are they in fact the Gods' version of Androids/Synthetics? Why do they all seem asexual (or at least male) and completely hairless (does that explain alopecia universalis in our genome? How did we develop hair on our bodies)? Interesting characters, was initially upset that they made the Space Jockeys into elephant suits, but I'm okay with it now. My personal thoughts. Not a great movie, but some nice concepts and ideas, and if you don't think too much, a great spectacle. My guess is that the original screenwriter Spaihts is responsible for most of the concepts and then Lindelof came in later and did what he does best to the rest of it... :)
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@Peej I think your review might almost have more going for it than the Feature. Shaw & David8! She's Religion, [i]he's[/i] [u]Science![/u]...Together - THEY FIGHT CRIME!!...
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allinamberclad: I love your sig! Don't give Lindelof ideas! :)
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Shawluv:D Okay, but this is a discussion board, right? No offense, and sorry if I'm repeating some of the ideas already posted. On the other hand, this is a voluntary board, and people are free to move on from this thread. Are you upset that I made you waste your time reading my thoughts on the movie as "it's already been talked about"? I had a longer title for the thread but the message board truncated it. The original thread was "Black Goo - Miracle Gloo?" and my description of the thread (if you hover your mouse over the title) is "Some observations and open questions after seeing the movie in the theatre". I thought that covered me, but I guess not. Cheers PJ
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@Peej you are right about the black goo being a miracle substance as Lindelof has said in recent interviews that even he does not know what it is and just made it do different things to different people. So if the writer of the film does not know then all we have is fan speculation on what it could be. Most likely, it a substance specifically created by the Engineers to fill in even the biggest of plot holes.
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concerning #1...it's been stated by someone that Lindelof says in a recent interview that the black goo is exactly what you say; an unknown substance that acts like a miracle to induce whatever the writer needed to happen. i've not seen the interview myself, but it may be out there. as for 1 a) specifically, the cobra-aliens hadn't been part of a birth-centric life cycle. only once introduced into a sexual creature through coitus does it adopt that aspect of its host (Shaw, then Cuddles impregnating the Engineer with the Deacon)....it's possible that the Engineers were asexual creatures, and there is no sexual reproduction in their species, and the goo/Xenomorphs had never been in a creature that reproduced sexually. the 'earth'-worms the cobra-aliens were implied to have come from are most likely similar to our worms, which are often asexual, or am i mistaken?
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@Drakeequation and @ecthroi Thanks for the info on Lindelof. I find it disturbing and unsurprising that he says he has no idea what the black goo does. Doesn't bode well for the sequels if that wasn't mapped out in advance, imho. If you watched Lost, you'll know exactly what I mean! :) @ecthroi, yeah, as far as I remember human biology earthworms are asexual. And when Fifield cuts the one on Millburn's arm, it reacts like an earthworm in that it regrows the truncated part. It makes sense that they have to find their own way out of hosts that don't have a womb/uterus. What was weird with Shaw's "pregnancy" to me was that it wouldn't have just exited through birth canal. I KNOW, it's a movie and it was the updated equivalent of the chestburster scene. But to my mind it would have made more sense if it came out the birth canal. And it would have been creepy, just in a different way. Well, if Lindelof stated he has no idea what the rules are for the black goo, I'm feeling deja vu about the Black Smoke Monster... ;)
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@Peej as a Lost fan I agree with your assessment, in storytelling terms the Black Goo is simply the liquid form of the Black Smoke.
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@Drakeequation I realized I was spelling Lindelof's name wrong! Thanks, I've corrected once I noticed your spelling. NOT to get too far off topic from Prometheus but as a writing device the symmetry between the Black Goo and the Black Smoke Monster in terms of "What is it?" is revealing. I enjoyed Lost as well up until the end when they attempted to answer the questions and was left unsatisfied. In Prometheus, I see the "Seed" (pardon the pun) of a great idea, that unfortunately grows into something else. I did enjoy the spectacle, I was just underwhelmed by the overall execution. I'm surprised frankly, I would have expected more forethought from Ridley Scott, regardless of who the writers are. It didn't seem like a rushed production, so you'd think they'd have taken the time to make the character's reactions more believable.
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The impression I got of the goo was that it reacts differently based on factors like exposure to water or vapor in the air and the particular body tissue it infects. When ingested in large amounts, it dissolves the host, first disassembling and then reassembling the double-helix of DNA. When ingested in very small amounts, it probably does the same thing, but slower. I'm guessing Holloway was in the process of being dissolved, much like the engineer head (a process that presumably stopped because it was instantly killed when decapitated). When exposed to a larval life-form, however, it mutates it in such a way that it becomes the second stage in the life-cycle of the face-hugger/chest-burster, modified based on what it infected in the first place. Mealworms are larval beetles; infecting them produces the hugger cobras as adults. Sperm are larval humans; infecting them produces the cuddles squid. Allow one of those things to implant its own next-generation larva into a host, and you end up with some variation of the full-fledged chest-burster (which may very well have popped out of Milburn later on). Presumably, it's only when one of these resulting chest-bursters develops into a queen that you get the true alien we're used to seeing with the familiar eggs and face-huggers from the prior films, with the final adult product coming out slightly different depending on the host. I'm not exactly convinced any of that makes sense, but that seems to be what they're going for. I suppose the goo is some engineered substance designed to mutate larvae/gametes, which requires splitting and rearranging DNA, but taken in large quantities, it completely dissolves the host while doing this. It's obviously a plot device more than anything, and maybe a lazy one, but remember the dictate that any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic. I mean, radiation isn't much different. We used targeted small doses in the form of chemotherapy to cure cancer and severe eczema. Larger doses will cause mutation and deformed offspring. Larger doses still will result in death from radiation poisoning, with attendant severe burns and boils. An extremely large dose will just flat-out melt you. As for Fifield, I don't think he died and I'm sure the writers would explain it as him simply going crazy while in the process of slowly being eaten away from the inside (his faced was burned by the acid-blood of the worm, not the goo). How he developed the super-strength and agility? I doubt there's any sufficient explanation for that other than that it looked cool and they wanted to film something like that. Or maybe the goo in small enough doses not to dissolve you really does change you genetically in small increments into something more like the xenomorph alien, if not a fully-fledge one since you can't go through the life-cycle stages. It could just make you stronger and faster and give you an uncontrollable desire to kill everything. Maybe that's what happened to the decapitated engineer and that's why the others were running from him.
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@loseyourname Well thought out, and makes sense. I wondered about the water as well. Why have the engineer sacrifice himself by a waterfall after all? And why there was water dropping down in pyramid on the alien moon? Seems to be a catalyst, or at least they're suggesting that. Yeah, I think Fifield made no sense, in any way. Not his character (a surly mohawk-sporting, dope smoking geologist?), or in the way he reacted to the discovery of the engineer, getting lost in the pyramid... AND the way the crew of Prometheus just opens the ramp after seeing him with his legs over his shoulders! Nuts. Just a shock character of no value (with all respect to the actor who played him).
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They actually could have very nearly ripped this off from The X-Files. In that, the black oil is an intelligent alien virus that can either infect a host and take over its nervous system, or use the host to gestate an immature-stage horrific monster alien, which later becomes a normal gray as an adult. Change the life-cycle details a bit and add in the ability to completely dissolve the host and reconstitute its DNA in large doses, and you have close to the same thing. The only major difference is that infection as takeover doesn't make you a colonization conspirator but a raged killing machine, which I guess is the difference between a gray and a chest-burster. If that's the direction they're going, maybe the engineers didn't engineer this stuff at all, but simply discovered it on the xenomorph homeworld and attempted to adapt it to their own uses, first as a means of using their own DNA to seed other worlds capable of supporting life, and then later as a weapon, which got out of hand and probably destroyed their own home planet. They store it carefully in a dehydrated, inactive form, but if they're not careful, exposure to water vapor leads to havoc. Then again, the xenomorphs are such efficient and perfect killers that they really do seem engineered rather than naturally arising.
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@loseyourname Good catch, I totally forgot about the mysterious Black Oil from X-Files! :) You should post your theory as a separate discussion on the main board. Combine that with the Black Smoke Monster from Lost and the Black Goo from Prometheus as well as a side discussion! Could be fun. Cheers PJ
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Maybe there's just goo, and goo gone bad...

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