Weyland, Vickers, David relationship.

IrNinjaBob
MemberOvomorphJune 09, 20122559 Views30 RepliesOne of the mysteries I am enjoying most is the relationship between these three, and what roles the three of them play. I have enjoyed the discussions I've seen about Vickers being an android, both for and against.
One thing that I don't understand, and it could be because I misheard him, is when David first addresses Vickers. They later described more as siblings, both being the "children" of Weyland. But, does David not refer to Vickers as "mother" or "mom" or something similar when he first finds her out of cryo?
That being said, I think her first name is Miriam, so it isn't a stretch that he was calling her by her first name and I misheard him. I am currently suffering from an ear infection and can't hear well out of my left ear.
I just haven't seen much about that interaction and what it could mean, and wanted to hear some ideas.
June 09, 2012
@allinamberclad
I would never suggest that Mum could be substituted for "Guv'nor" or "Guv", as Mum is traditionally slang used for women, while Guv is traditionally used for men.
I will continue to "assume" that David8 said MUM. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, we both heard what we heard. And I'm pretty familiar with British accents, thanks. If I'm wrong, I will happily correct myself and apologize. Until then, we'll have to wait. ;)
Cheers
PJ
June 09, 2012
He calls her mum, a British affectation. But interesting.
Yeah, I personally see them as both being "Sons" and both being ineligible to inherit Weyland's empire. Meredith Vickers (Weyland) is female, so she de-sexes herself and becomes more "male", like a son in order to ascend the throne when her father dies; David is a synthetic son, a "bastard" and as such cannot claim the throne. It's medieval, in the traditional sense of patriarchy and rules of ascension. Also, in the movie, they both seem to want to kill the "father". Vickers even says "A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable".
Definitely a major theme in the movie, and extends beyond Weyland, Vickers and David8 I think. Remember Father is also used to describe God in Christian terms (and Judaism, Islam, other religions?)
The movie is about inheritance in the simplest terms I think.
June 09, 2012
Mum is how david refers to Vickers on several occasions, such as "cup of tea, mum?"
Personal opinion: I think Vickers has gone mad with jealousy and competition for attention since her father made her a brother and there is no way she can compete with his perfection. She follows rules and protocols as closely as possible because she is insanely jealous of her "brother", Peter Weyland's "son".
June 09, 2012
And I know his speech is supposed to be English, so the use of mum may be fitting in every day conversation. I am American, so I don't know if that is common.
I don't have any sisters, but I wouldn't refer to them as my mother if I did. I'm also not an android, though.
June 09, 2012
It could also be a loose reference/pointer to the computer, 'Mother', from the first film.
June 09, 2012
I think it's definitely a sign of feigned deference as Vickers is the leader of the expedition and David8 plays the role of servant. What's interesting is when he discovers the bridge of the ship, and then turns off the live video feed to Vickers... Then the relationship definitely changes.
June 09, 2012
No, he says, [b]"Ma'am"[/b], [that is: "Madam"] - in, obviously, his English accent.
[b]"Ma'am"[/b], not "Mum" - Vicker's is not his [u]mother?![/u] David is her [u]servant.[/u]
On top of it, I noticed, (like many servants, I would hope), he seems to have found a way to make, "Ma'am", also sound very much like, "F**k yourself".
June 09, 2012
No, it's Mum, it's an English idiom not just his accent and it doesn't necessarily mean 'mother' more the establishment of a matriarchal relationship.
June 09, 2012
Definitely a 'britishism', ma'am in a sarcastic lawrence of arabia style..as per helen mirren in the queen
June 09, 2012
@allinamberclad
Pretty sure you're right AND wrong. :) I'm quite certain he said mum. It's a derivation of Ma'am - as in Madam, or Madum. Hence Ma'um. Or Mum. Very British.
It's a sign of deference as a servant might say to My Lady or M'Lady. An abbreviation that was commonly used by the "lower classes". Ridley Scott is British and I think having David8 say it was deliberate to delineate the hierarchy between himself and Vickers.
June 09, 2012
Saw the movie yesterday and really enjoyed it!!!
As for what was said... it was "Cup of tea, ma'am?"
I watched the movie closed captioned for I am deaf and that is how they presented it while I watched. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings?
June 09, 2012
@MostlyHarmless...Mostly
He says "Ma'am".
@Peej
I'm pretty sure what you suggest is nonsense - Right AND Wrong?:
"Ma'am", would be, "Madam".
"Mum", would be, "Mother".
Let me assure you: the two are distinct - and [i]not[/i], interchangeable.
Neither is, "Ma'am", simply used by the, "lower classes" - what you're saying is absurd.
June 09, 2012
Well... Mum, Ma'am or MotherF**ker, there is NO WAY she's Weyland's biological offspring: the guy's what, 100 and she's... 35-40?
And I never got the impression the medical pod was for her, but since it's "Men Only" I'm surmising it was for an Engineer (though we only saw a few without their helmet, they were all apparently male).
Despite Vickers' invitation to the (lucky?) Captain, EVERYTHING she did and said screams android. And of course, as "servants," Weyland would need to keep that secret, or no one would do ANYTHING she said.
June 09, 2012
@allinamberclad
Yes, Ma'am is derived from Madam, and Mum IS used for Mother. BUT, it is also a slang term in British that has another meaning, like "Guv" for Governor (or Guv'nor)... I assume you're not British based on your response.
In North America we have slang terms that have multiple meanings like "That's SICK" meaning Cool, or we say "COOL" meaning interesting and not referring to the temperature.
Similarly, in the past the word Mum was used in Britain as a sign of deference. And is possibly still used today, not sure.
Anyway, you can believe it or not. Google is available if you want to fact check what I'm saying. But I come from a family of recent Irish and English immigrants to North America and I am quite certain David8 said MUM in the movie. And that he was using it as a sign of deference.
Cheers!
PJ
June 09, 2012
@Peej
Oh dear.
You can assume as you please - but what he said, was, "Ma'am".
After that, I really do hope you are not trying to insist that, "Mum", is used as slang for, "Guv'nor" - because it isn't.
It sounds to me that what you've been hearing in that context is actually a further contraction of, "Ma'am" - as I think we've established, that mistake is easily made - dependant on overall familiarity with the accent, in general, and the regional dialect of the speaker and the context, in specific.