Prometheus hates Evolution!

nice and by 'nice' I mean, there's clearly a 20th Century Fox agenda here to 'play with our upbringing' and suggest that (despite the horrid millenial tussle between Big Bang and Creationism) it's better to push for all out ALIEN INVASION. I mean, God's not going to arrive, and science "doesn't have a f***ing clue", so the ANNUNAKI are the more politically viable option, and bet your life this (and Avatar) are DIPLOMATIC CINEMA aimed at getting You The People into the privately paid for future pod prison cells of Commercialist Future, for PROFIT and ASSET. It's all a LITTLE BIT IN YOUR FACE, no? :)

You know what, I had similar thoughts when I first watched the film, then after I calmed down... (on top of being shocked at the [i]plot errors[/i] I rewatched it, a few days later and while the plot errors are still there, I see a different take on the mythology. This film does not hate evolution. It has one of the most adaptable creatures in sci - fi, which does change over time. The fact that the giant grey dudes don't seem to change in billions of years is because they are NOT the engineers. They are the single minded worker drones created by the engineers for doing unpleasant work like handling bio-weapons and being sacrificed to seed planets (or act as hosts for Xenomorphs as a way of using the bioweapon against enemies perhaps).

the first review is obviously biased and from someone who expects answers on a plate. I suggest him watching Some Like It Hot with marilyn, btw - spoiler - she is a hooker in that film - they just couldnt state it. prometheus is the same - it will challenge religious beliefs, and if u think that it's blatently obvious - kudos, there are some dumb son of a biatches out there. Many of whom don't get this movie coz they don't pay attention. It's an intellectual film that addresses man's obsession with being a god = a controller of his own destiny... spoiler warning, but if u want to go deeper [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7452]click it[/url]: There were plot errors, no doubt - but prometheus never hated evolution - in fact it just changed the perception of it.

i have been following film for 50 years this coming Friday and I did not recognize nor do I believe there was even ONE SINGLE PLOT HOLE in this film, that ENTIRE argument IMHO is imagined and phoney and a complete fantasy made up people who cannot or refuse to follow a film properly...it is also IMHO Petty and stupid and irrelevant and without credibility IMHO because, it is just CLEARLY wrong, and the story is quite easy to follow and smooth in it's progression. IN Fact you had to have been slow on the uptake not to be able to follow it..."Plot Holes"...IMHO that's [b]"HOGWASH"[/b]. It also progresses with a unique and refreshing style, one that forces the viewer to pro actively Process New Information & THINK IN THE MOMENT as the story progresses, something a lot of people keep proving they either did not wish to do or just flat out did not do when they first watched this film.

also, IMHO that the author of that article is not to smart with regard to film making !!! he also didn't even mention Gladiator which was by leaps and bounds far superior to Blade Runner, which a lot of people like him it seems do not know even that it FAILED miserably in the theaters during it's initial run by the way!!!

It's not a creationist film. I think it's deliberately confusing in parts to get people thinking. Smacks a bit of pretentious writing, but clever in parts. Think about it, Shaw, while supposedly the 'believer' has could be seen as an ironic conversation with Holloway, when he says she can take off her cross (after seeing the DNA match). What does she say "and who made them" . That argument applies also to a creationist god. When showing the origins of Shaw's religion, her father seems to be a missionary, and the religion he seems to impose on her is rather shallow. Some people believe X, others believe Y, and I happen to believe Z, because I choose to. There's none of the usual miracles or morals in her indoctrination, rather we are shown her mother, who is dead, and her father putting a cross in her hand, and we're led to assume that he also died while she was young from Ebola, which was probably on one of his missions. So we could assume that Shaw, despite her science background, holds onto her faith because of love for her parents, and nostalgia for the cross her father gave her, and as any little girl would hope - to one day see her parents again in heaven. In fact that's the shallow formula that many christians do have for their faith, but don't like to admit to. consider 4 characters from the film from the theme of belief and christian sacrifice. Shaw, Janek, Weyland and David. Shaw and Weyland are 'superstitious' David is described by his creator as lacking a soul. And Janek I believe is completely agnostic, despite an early attempt to throw some of us off course. Janek, who we first see decorating a christmas tree, says he likes to celebrate the holidays as a way of marking time (and an excuse to drink) he espouses no belief in the afterlife, nor any interest in religion or the philosophical questions posed by the mission itself. (He doesn't attend the briefing). He likes to smoke, drink, make jokes about buggery, and have casual sex with attractive women like vickers. But, underneath this seemingly shallow lifestyle, he cares about people, and he will not let the horrible creatures of LV-223 get to earth, even if he has to die for it. He doesn't expect to wake up in heaven for being a martyr. He expects to die, but in doing so spare any family and friends on Earth from a horrible death at the hand of the Space Jockey. Weyland obviously has a god complex, and while he doesn't simply create out of nothing, his company is terraforming, and colonising worlds. What he's missing is immortality, and he dares to travel 'the heavens' to stand before 'his maker' and ask for it to be granted. Weyland is willing to risk the entire crew, and the Earth... in waking up what he believes to be his maker, for the chance of being an immortal. And as he is beaten to death with the head of his own creation, his last words are "there is nothing", to which David, replies "I know". Shaw is fascinated by the 'big question' - "why" and while not wishing for Weyland to wake this thing up, she does want to ask it questions. Whether she thinks they are some kind of evil god or not is unclear. Certainly she's starting to realise their true nature, and that her assumptions were 'so, so wrong'. We don't really see any real religious activity from her. No praying except when she thinks she's dying and although she says "oh, god", this is ambiguous as many people simply use it as an exclamation, and she also 'speaks' to apologise to Charlie, who is of course dead. Her devotion to her cross is underlined in a rather ham-fisted way. Having survived a c-section to remove an alien squid, seeing the ships destroyed, and having to outrun the crashing juggernaut, and being attacked by the space jockey, then being told there are more ships, and David can fly them.... what's the first thing she asks him for when they meet agains? Where is my cross? The christian apologists may take that as face value and show that her faith in god is what spared her, but I believe we're being signalled that it is this particular cross, a gift from her dead religious father, that is her comfort blanket, and has more personal value to her than it does religious significance. David is a bit of a puzzle. He dislikes being constantly reminded that he is a soul less creation, especially by people with inferior intellects, and reckless attitudes like Holloway. He's already got a kind of mortality, but no purpose beyond whatever his master requires of him. He lacks free will. And while he looks down on Shaw's faith and often mocks it, he is intrigued by the sense of purpose it gives her. And is perhaps jealous of how things with souls /beliefs are treated with more respect than expendable soulless androids. He seems to wish to be more than he is, to be a bit like his creators "but not too close" (perhaps referring to their flaws, and mortality). Perhaps this is why he takes Shaw's cross, and not only does he confiscate it, he steals it. Note that he put it in a plastic container on a table in medical bay "to avoid contamination", but later on, for no obvious reason, it is the pouch of his utility belt on the Space jockey bridge. But he still sees no relevance and when his dying creator Weyland says there is nothing. David agrees. And finally, if you think this film is creationist... let me quote Capt.Kirk as I remind you of the opening scene and it's flying saucer.

Plot holes....no. Things yet to be explained...many. Odds that the majority of unanswered pertinent issues will be addressed in future installments of this entire story....100%. This is not a film for the want-it-now crowd. It is only for those who find pleasure in using their minds, not the lazy, self indulgent.

Spartacus I have to disagree with you and ask you to back up your opinions. " I did not recognize nor do I believe there was even ONE SINGLE PLOT HOLE in this film, that ENTIRE argument IMHO is imagined and phoney and a complete fantasy made up people who cannot or refuse to follow a film properly.." I can understand at one level, that this is a story about a big subject, and uses the space adventures of 16 humans, 1 android, and some weird space creatures merely as a device to tell it. There's a lot in there that can seem disjointed or contradictory, but is meant to advance the ideas of 'the big question' rather than the adventures of the crew, BUT that is not a license to be completely reckless with the more 'superficial' story. I've watched this film more than once, and taken notes, and thought about the message they're trying to get across and the various themes and motivations, and it's become a lot more interesting for me, HOWEVER, I think that while Lindelhof was clever in writing his 'bigger picture' plot, he neglected the craftmanship of the actual superficial story. There are somethings in the plot that are teasers, meant to be answered in the sequel, others to simply make us think, but others seem to be just lazy contrivances of very unlikely events (sometimes more than a few compounded) in order to move the chess pieces around. I wrote a[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7057] thread[/url] about it. I find plotholes in the way Milburn and Fifield got lost, depsite having 3D mapping probes which Fifield is monitoring, radios, and a big 3D map on the bridge, where ANYBODY can see the rotating bright yellow icons for their locator beacons, complete with an "M" and "F" to indicate which is which. Nobody did a radio check in or headcount before leaving the tunnels, or on the drive back, and these two, who are terrified of DEAD space jockeys, don't want to investigate whatever is being detected by probe 1, but as soon as a space cobra pops up, Milburn is as entranced as he wrongly assumes the spacecobra to be. Fifield helping him ends up zombified, but the cargo bay guys, (who only previously saw Vickers enforce quarantine using a FLAMETHROWER) open the door without trying to establish radio contact, or notice that the camera shows Fifield is contorted like somebody ran a combine harvester over him over during a game of twister. He then jumps up and leaps around like a crazed horror-ninja killing three crew members before he too gets the flamethrower treatement. Have you counted how many dumb scenarios have to be compounded for those two, and the three in the cargo crew to die? You can put this down to extreme, and almost infectious human stupidity, but there are other holes that are not about character development. The ship clearly has two lifeboats. They are both visible on the top of the ship, we see vickers fine quarters, complete with piano, chandelier, bar, and giant TV in one, and we discover during the film that Weyland has been secretly stowed away in the other lifeboat. He has a fancy bedroom with a king size bed, and a small room for medical treatment, and his hypersleep bed is in there too. It's not clear if his orderlies were also secretly quartered in there to avoid suspicion. What's not in there? Considering that he himself says he has only days to live? His MedPod. Where is it? In his daughters lifepod. Why? did he get a giant hot tub in his lifeboat, andthen ran out of room for this vital medical equipment? Hardly his priority. So, it seems contrived for the sole purpose of letting Shaw know it exists, and the normally very controlling Vickers even lets her wander into the OPEN room where it is kept, and touch it, before telling her its off limits. If this pod had been in Weylands lifeboat, not only would Shaw have been killed off by the squid, as she didn't discover Weylands lifeboat until she emerged from the C-section (and the only reason she was ON that deck was to use the MedPod (look at the layout of the ship) but if she had survived cutting the squid out with a swiss army knife, would have been impossible for to kill the Space Jockey in the lifeboat, by simply opening the door to release the squid/facehugger. And when she is outside, about to give up, and apologising to (god? Charlie) she hears a voice... David... who after the crash has been lucky enough that his head and body are close enough for him to use the radio. After all the tumbling about, all the other bodies seem to have fallen off the bridge, through the doorway. Anyway, she gets up, and (lo and behold!) there is a quad bike in working order just a few metres away. Did this thing survive the crash of the Prometheus, or is it supposed to be the one that blew away in the 200 mile and hour storm with all those flying bits of rocks that don't even seem to have chipped the paint. ? Now, unelss you're argument is 'god /lindelhof ' did it by working in mysterious ways, I'm going to call those PLOT HOLES. " It also progresses with a unique and refreshing style, one that forces the viewer to pro actively Process New Information & THINK IN THE MOMENT as the story progresses, something a lot of people keep proving they either did not wish to do or just flat out did not do when they first watched this film." That's all fine as far as the intended message of the film goes, but as I've pointed out, we have to TURN OUR BRAINS off not to notice the plot holes of the lifeboat, the fate of Fifield, and the magically appearing quadbike.

why are you complicating things?, there was NO Plot hole period, that's all...There is nothing to prove...ya either got it or ya didn't!

and something else, the points you try to raise aren't even plot holes...they are imagined problems by YOU. I respect your opinion just do not agree with it nor that of anyone else who says there were plot holes, seems to me your {everyone of that mindset} all looking for something to pick at. The Film was so Entertaining compared to all the JUNK we get fed out there each month it is all MOOT if you ask me because for once, clearly, everyone got their moneys worth, and IMHO if someone feels that was a bad film or they did not get their moneys worth I would wonder if they were blind as well as deaf and dumb, with all due respect, the entertainment value of that film was so high IMHO it kinda MOOTS all critisisims of any kind in a way, For me it made "The Avengers" for example look and look like it played out like a 5 year old Kids Toy Movie.

Hadley's Hope 9:06 AM: Excellent comment and summation. I saw nothing in the film to suggest that Shaw's Christianity was much more than the usual hazy and almost meaningless background hum that religion has become for most people in the Western world. Her demanding her cross back from David at the end sounded to me more like she was showing him who's boss more than anything else. I did see a couple of subtler cases of religious symbolism (if one takes the Engineers as creator gods) that are even more telling. When Shaw is "pregnant", she's essentially been chosen as Mother Mary to give birth to the gods' new creation (the ending suggests it might even be the founder of the xeno race). She furiously rejects the role and tries like hell to abort the thing. When the last surviving Engineer sets out to bring Judgment Day to humanity on Earth, she's the one who urges Janek to stop him. I don't think the film hates evolution. I do think that whoever wrote it had little or no understanding of evolution.

@Spartacus just discounting someone else's arguments as "stupid" "phoney" "CLEARLY wrong" without qualifying those statements with counter arguments is not constructive discourse. It's easy to say an opposing opinion is "stupid" but both opinions above at least outline WHY they believe the film to be underwhelming. Saying something is "CLEARLY" wrong is...well clearly wrong as if it was clear then we would all agree with eachother and there would be no debate. No, we can say the vices and virtues in this film are not clear and must be revealed through discussion and debate. I'm afraid, as typical of the positive reviews of the film, you fail to qualify your assessment with any arguments - opting instead to call anyone who disliked the film "stupid".

Spartacus, why bother respond if you can't back up what you say? and something else, the points you try to raise aren't even plot holes...they are imagined problems by YOU. I respect your opinion just do not agree with it nor that of anyone else who says there were plot holes, seems to me your {everyone of that mindset} all looking for something to pick at. You clearly do not respect opinions, seeing as you dismiss them out of hand, and the points I m I still think its a good film, and I wonder if you actually read what I wrote. I said that the mythology is confusing, (which is the real central story of this film -rather than the adventures of the crew) but not necessarily full of holes. However, the story at its superficial level is full of holes. It's possible to like a film, and still discuss some flaws in it. Get off your pedestal and stop making rash judgements about people in forums. You may think we should ignore them because its a better film than most things out there, but that's an immature attitude, and what's worse you don't say 'overlook them' you say the holes don't exist. Is that what you 'choose to believe'? You need to get some objectivity into your analysis amigo.

Prometheus is a mixture of evolution and creationism together. Aliens exist but also they have religious belief. Fossils show evolution but Man was created by Gods. The film shows both sides in a different but similar way.