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Does Prometheus undermine the Alien films?

Baron Xenomorph

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There's been a lot of interest on this forum about how the events of “Prometheus” fit into the [i]plot[/i] of the “Alien” films. But I'd like to step back a little and think about how “Prometheus” [i]as a film[/i] affects the other movies. All four “Alien” movies focus on the character of Ripley as she encounters the xenomorphs, first one and then a whole society, ultimately leading to a sacrificial suicide and an unwilling rebirth. Through all the films, her ultimate goal is to keep these things off Earth. It's a goal we understand because we instinctively realize that these things would very quickly overrun the planet and kill everyone. The tone of all four movies is overwhelmingly dark and tragic. There's also a very personal core journey for Ripley as she advances through a darkly symbolic encounter with the xeno at first, to the struggle to hold together a family in the second, and serious feelings about mortality in the third and (arguably) fourth. In many ways, doesn't Prometheus damage this viewing of the films? Obviously this wasn't going to be “Ripley's story” anymore, but in many ways “Prometheus” divorces it from a human story altogether. This is not a story of humanity just barely fending off these horrific creatures anymore. Instead, it's a story about …. well, that's still unclear. The politics of a Space Giant society? Ancient Sumerian allegory? The human species being rejected by “God”? “28 Days Later” in outer space? In any event, the far more compelling story of Ripley and the xenomorphs seems to be nothing more than a sideshow in light of the new space epic tone. The movie also fundamentally messed up Giger's symbolism in a manner very similar to Alien:Resurrection. The design of the sets and creatures in the first two (arguably three) films really communicated all sorts of themes surrounding violation, rape, and loss of identity. The sexual aspect of the art design communicated this incredible sense of menace. But this film (again, like Resurrection) just went with lazy anatomical references – the giant not-quite-facehugger at the end is just vagina dentata, the “hammerhead” is a mix of genital designs. But it's all text, not subtext, which is just boring. And a series that replaces the amazing xenomorph designs with black goo that turns you into a zombie has definitely taken a step backwards. Finally, I realize that this is a problem with a lot of SF prequels, but I couldn't get past how much cleaner and high-tech everything felt. CGI doesn't prevent you from grubbing things up a bit or turning down the lights. And it doesn't prevent you from designing a spooky, less-advanced computer like MUTHER. Finally, David. David is a machine so advanced he basically deduces Ancient Proto-Indo-European God Speak on his own, and figures out how to open every door in the ship. But he predates Bishop. So, in retrospect, Bishop is just a really shitty android – that definitely undercuts the other films. At least Star Wars set its prequels long before the first films -- in this case we're talking like 30 years? This was probably the best prequel that's ever been made. But I still think it fundamentally shares a problem with “Phantom Menace” or “Terminator: Salvation.” It wants to be bigger, it wants the stakes to be higher, it wants everything to feel “more important,” and it wants to be a special effects-driven summer blockbuster. But this wholescale retconning serves to undercut a lot of the motivations and drama from the original movies. Who cares if Ripley prevents the xenos from getting to Earth when there's a whole advanced civilization (or multiple ones??) gunning for us? Thoughts?
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I see them as separate movies in the same universe. The events of the Alien movies were all about the xenomorphs and fighting them eventually, and this movie deals with creation. It's set before Alien and may even influence what has happened with the xeno's, but it is a 100% different movie in terms of the storytelling goals.
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I look at it this way. The first 4 Alien films are Ripley's story or as I like to put it one "strand" of the Alien universe. Prometheus is the beginning of another strand (Hopefully by the end of Scott's Prometheus series it will somehow really solidify or connect the 2 series together). I mean throughout the movie Prometheus you can't help but think about the previous films somehow. There's so many connections between Prometheus and the 4 Alien films its like how is Prometheus not a direct Prequel in maybe a slightly indirect manner? All I'm saying is that Prometheus is trying to expand the world of Alien. It really wants to deviate from the previous 4 films and really try to set something new up for itself, giving the Alien universe more depth and different view points than from what Ripley's 4 Alien films did. Prometheus is now part of Elizabeth Shaw and David. The story will focus on a different view point of a character within the same universe as Alien. Beginning a new strand for the series and giving the series new life and an entirely new breath of fresh air. So I wouldn't say Prometheus is undermining the series of Alien, more than anything it looks like its trying to expand and enlargen the world of Alien.
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Baron Xenomorph.....I get what you're saying...I DO.....but I don't thimk it undermines them at all really, because the point of the xenos, the why of their creation still stands and, ironically, they find their way to us inspite of the fact the intial attempt to send them to us failed.....[i]Alien[/i] is, therefore, much smaller in scale and more intimate...[i]Prometheus[/i] doesn't strip that away it merely answers these questions...the WHERE and WHY of the xenomorph..... ...NOW, I'm off to type up a review of my own....hopefully....it will be suffice....
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would it not been cool if the last egineer after being body hugged by Cuddels would had walk back to the resently crash-landed Juggernaut after Shaw and the talking head left for the homeworld and sat down on the chair with the Space Jockey suit on and all before the Proto Xeno emerged. That would had been a WTF ending.
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No, it would not be cool. Because then there would not be anymore story left for Prometheus. People we have done Alien (4 times). Let's let go a little and let a new story unfold... a larger story.
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I'd only say that holding the view that 'Prometheus' detracts from the 'Alien' story might be a going a bridge too far?..... 'Prometheus' is not really that much to do with the 'Alien' story and I think the authors did try several of every which ways to say that, to be fair. We must be fair. I don't think 'Prometheus' detracts from the "Alien" story in any way - it is [or it [i]was[/i]...] an attempt at a completely different tale, in the same Universe. I look at that sentence and there seems every reason to be excited enough to fall off my chair - but it appears, to me, to have turned out that making 'Prometheus' completely different in many aspects, while being very much, "of the same", in others, was not completely successful... If that is the fact, then doesn't seem, to me, to have that much of an impact on the 'Alien' story - that would just mean that the 'Alien' story once had a brother, that shared some close resemblance of family but, ultimately, took his own path in the World....or Universe.

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