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mrakhoover

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I've not seen anyone else propose this line of reasoning. Here's my theory; The scene of the sacrificial Engineer at the beginning is a deliberate piece of misdirection in order to help us go along with Shaw's hypothesis about our creation and to set us up for a twist-in-the-tale in part 2 or 3. This was not the moment of Creation on Earth, this could even be a flash forward, maybe the Xenomorph home planet? Time will tell. If the engineers had created life on Earth 3.8 billion years ago, then our DNA would not now match. If it did, then all life on Earth would match the Engineers' too (which it doesn't). It is also an unfeasibly long time for the Engineers to wait and for their civilisation to last essentially unchanged. It is slightly more feasible that the Engineers added their DNA to life that already existed on Earth but not combining with it, thereby starting the genus Homo 2.5 million years ago. But I believe this is still an unfeasibly long time to plan ahead and the DNA would still not necessarily match. It was Elizabeth and her partner who came up with the hypothesis that the Engineers are our creators. Based on, as Elizabeth says; "what I chose to believe" or faith, wishful thinking, rather than any evidence. Therefore I think a more credible reason our DNA matches the Engineers is that Elizabeth got it the wrong way round. The Engineers are not our Creators but are instead the genetically altered descendants of humans that were abducted from Earth at various times over the last 35,000 years or so. This is why the cave paintings point to the stars, because that is where they were being taken. They were abducted by aliens we have not yet met. The Xenomorph depicted in the mural. In this hypothesis the Xenomorph in the mural would be a sophisticated, highly intelligent and benign race and the Xenomorph from Alien and Aliens would be an abomination of this race created by accident. The story is essentially comparing natural life that has evolved over millions of years with 'created', unnatural life that hasn't. The essential difference being the 'soul' and a moral conscience. A subject explored in Blade Runner which, according to Ridley Scott, also takes place in the same universe. In the real world we are working towards creating artificial intelligence and scientists and philosophers speculate as to whether such AI will have a soul/conscience or not. Let's say the evolved Xenomorphs, as an old, sophisticated and civilised race will have gone through the early warring and destructive phase, that we are still going through, but went on to prosper and live in a spirit of peaceful cooperation and discovery. Developing faster than light travel and exploring the universe eventually to discover primitive humans 35 to 40 thousand years ago. Not being constrained by a Star-Trek like 'prime directive' not to interfere, they did exactly what we have done, and still do, here on Earth. We have abducted animals from their natural habitat and put them in Zoos and laboratories, not because we are evil but because we are curious. The Xenomorphs did the same. Some humans were taken away for study and experimentation but most were left on Earth. The Xenomorphs, using selective breeding and genetic manipulation bred the 'Engineers', superhumans who were sent back to Earth from time to time to interact with the primitive humans, out of curiosity in the name of science. This interaction, due to the 'Engineers' size, strength and intelligence is probably the reason we developed the myths of the Titans etc. As well as breeding and genetically enhancing the Engineers, the Xenomorphs created artificial life in their own form, just as Weyland did on Earth, not as a weapon but, to quote David 'because they could'. Unfortunately the created a soulless, predator. Perhaps the Xenomorphs were destroyed by their creation or enslaved by them. If we create something more intelligent than us, stronger than us and more resistant to disease etc., then what is to stop it replicating itself and wiping us out unless we can imbue it with a moral conscience? Asimov's 'three laws of robotics' wont work, he wrote a whole series of novels proving their flawed nature. The Xenomorphs and Engineers realised too late that it requires millions of years of evolution to 'develop' a soul and there are no shortcuts. This is why the Engineer, when awoken from stasis, reacted to David the way he did. He realised he was artificial and to his way of thinking, 'an abomination'. I think the Engineers on LV223, in order to save their benefactors, the original, benevolent Xenomorphs, were working on a toxin that would destroy the artificial Xenomorphs and were preparing to leave for Earth as a safe haven (home) to work, when they were overrun 2000 years ago. The black goo is still a mystery. If it is a weapon I don't think it is intended for us.
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I was with you on the Human abduction bit, and Engineers not creating us. But if you think the Xeno's created humanoids, what do you make of the mural on the ceiling of the urn chamber? It's rather reminiscent of the Sistine Chapel ceiling section showing "god giving life to Adam" in my opinion, and it shows a humanoid, not so musclebound as the Space Jockeys, extneding an arm to something that looks as if it's changing between humanoid form (with a bio-mechanical suit, similar to Space Jockeys) to something Xeno like (notice the arms.... and the head looks like the elephant trunk helmet is melting into it. [img]http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8058/prometheusi.jpg[/img] To me that suggests that the Xeno was created by the Engineers, using Space Jockeys as raw material.
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"They were abducted by aliens we have not yet met." [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c8Q3YriQD_Y/Ta7r9S1n5wI/AAAAAAAAMm4/lE4c-rdw0K0/s1600/anal-probe.jpg[/img]
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
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Thanks for the post really interesting read. As much as i respect your thoughts and good ideas i can't (just from my own point of view) accept that the Xenos are the dominant factor and creator. At the minute i don't have the time to go onto why but a few little things spring to mind. one is that sometimes the answer or the natural order of things is in front of our faces. by this i mean that alot of people are more concerned with the xeno mural. but thats just what it is a mural as brilliant and present as it is. Its not the most dominating factor of that room. the huge engineer type head is. its there for a reason what that is yet were all debating but make no mistake the biggest most omnipotent presence in the room is this Giant headed statue and gives a presence of dominance and god like status. there are lots of murals in the room maybe slightly less important but theyre there. if you go to china or italy etc you'll see huge rooms with ceaser (for example) being the biggest presence in the room with paintings, murals lesser sized statues of his minions as it where all around him. on that point (for me at least) its as simple as that. and sorry to pick a little. but this whole soul thing. i completely understand your point regarding the anger at David being artificial and it goes against the engineers 'beliefs' but he did kill them all and they all have souls etc. there was no empathy or compassion displayed. he brutally killed everything he could get his hands on....As far as shaw and 'i choose to believe' i hear you i do but you can't say there's no evidence. There Might not be proof! but theres certainly evidence. same star constellation showing up in cave paintings, pointing at the constellation, strange looking humanoid creatures found in many different cultures hundreds and thousands of years and miles apart. I don't think the point of this is in the outside thinking that is bigger than the film. shaw and holloway presented the Evidence to Weyland whose ego, ambition and bank account are big enough to investigate this evidence (which is what we do with evidence. start an investigation) which is also couple with Shaws 'belief' that she was onto something...."WE where wrong...we where so wrong!" remember? so these facrors must have been so compelling for Weyland to travel there and get his answers or his immortality. Again its there in the film and no need to think otherwise. there's more but i really have to go. thanks for a great and well written read. be back later :)
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@DAVID1... brilliant hahah!
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I agree with the first 3 sentences only !!! The rest I do not agree with but that's just my opinion and I think all of it is highly creative and give you KUDOS it may turn out to be that you are closer to the truth than anyone else is.
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@David1 LOL.
http://i.imgur.com/vbAPQY6.gif
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The awoken Engineer looked intrigued and affectionate at first. He would have thought he was on Earth at this point. He didn't understand the arguing amongst the humans until David spoke. He would therefore assume that David was the leader, not Weyland. After touching David lovingly, he suddenly realises he is synthetic, an abomination, so destroys him. He assumes the others are too and destroys them too. He does this because he knows that artificially created life is inherently dangerous as it has no soul or conscience. This is something the Engineers discovered through their own, earlier experiments in artificial intelligence/life. "The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." (Eliezer Yudkowsky) [21] See for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity The Engineers weren't created by the Xenomorphs but were working with them (not slaves) I still ascertain that the original, natural, evolved Xenos were advanced and peaceful (although scary looking to us) this will be the major twist in the plot ultimately. However the artificial life created in their image is definitely not peaceful as it lacks a conscience or soul. It was not created as a weapon but is now considered a massive mistake by it's creators. This is the ultimate vision of the series, artificial intelligence is dangerous and a threat. There is no shortcut to the development of what makes us human.
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Or the engineers are actually working for an intergalactic Mcdonnalds were the main dish is black goo on humans :D ...

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