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Xenothinker
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 9:38 AMHey guys.
So first off...this is all speculative and simply asks some pointed questions.
Perhaps it is just me, but I can say I have never seen a movie with a viral marketing campaign continue said campaign after the movie has been released. Typically, the information and 'fun' of a viral campaign is to generate interest in the upcoming film, so why in the seven hells would a company continue to fund a viral campaign after the fact?
One could argue it is to keep interest up until home release via Blu Ray and DVD, or even a re-release in theatres, but that whole concept seems contrite and wasteful. Even the great films don't keep the marketing going until the home release, let alone a film that has received a mixed review.
So...the big question of why?
Perhaps, and this is a big perhaps, the reason Prometheus seemed to be poorly told is due to the fact that in reality, RS and Co. were actually filming two films in one fell swoop. It is not that far fetched considering for serialized films are doing this more and more ever since The Matrix and Lord of the Rings. Let's not forget The Hobbit is two films back-to-back and Avatar 2-4 are all planned to be filmed back-to-back as well.
But why haven't we heard anything of this? Well, the intrigue. Look at all the great discussions going on about the context of Prometheus. Now, we all know these conversations will continue for quite some time, however, if general knowledge of a sequel filmed at the same was widely known...I can bet most of the conversations would not be as in depth or as interesting because people would have the mentality of "I'll wait the X amount of months to get my answers." It would be cool to think RS and Co. intentionally kept the sequel secret for a 6 month or so period to encourage some insightful conversations about the film and while those discussions are reaching a pinnacle *bam* sequel announcement.
The buzz created by such a ploy, coupled with a continuing viral campaign, would do wonders for the study and be a curiously smart move by the marketing department.
But what about budget? With a director like RS who likes the use of real set pieces, it would make sense of them to re-use as much of the Prometheus film's set as much as possible. Financially it makes sense because then the studio would not have to re-hire stage crews and designers for a good amount of sets, since they really would just need to make minute detail changes - which makes a lot of sense considering the fickle nature of our world's economic stage right now. If we use the idea of re-using the sets for a film being shot at the time as Prom., then the overall budget for the sequel would be signifcantly less as some set pieces would already be in existance.
I also think, with how Prom. seemed to be so riddled with holes, a secondary film was indeed shot at the same time or closely after. RS is not a stupid man and I don't believe he would be content with the final product of Prom. without a trump card up his sleeve to really bugger with our minds. I could be wrong and put too much faith in RS, but Prom. has left a bitter taste in a lot of RS fans mouths and perhaps this is the reason why.
All speculation and such, but it is the only thing I can think of for the viral campaign to continue and this cryptic date. I do not agree with sentiments of Prom. being released to international locations on that date, especially considering the phone number given is an American number. That right there is evidence enough of something else. I also don't agree with the fact of a theatrical re-release, not for a movie that received luke warm reviews. Fox and RS have something big coming down the pipe. It is why they are spending the continual funding for this viral marketing campaign for a film already released. It why there are cryptic dates and phone calls and I would put my money on why Prom. seemed to be quite a weak film in terms of story.
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synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 10:45 AM[u]Xeno[/u]: Thanks for that great post. I was having this same conversation with a friend of mine just the other night.
The biggest actual fact that it out there about the possibility of there being a second film is the below info that is taken from film's the wiki page (note: another member of this site, whose name I can't recall, turned me onto this info and I cannot take credit for "discovering" the info).
"In September 2011, filming moved to the Ciudad de la Luz audiovisual complex in Alicante, Spain. Shooting areas included the complex's large water tank, and a nearby Alicante beach.[92][100] The complex was booked from August 22, 2011, through to December 10, with set construction occurring from August until late September.[92] Approximately 250 people worked on the three month-long Spain shoot, generating over €1 million to the local economy.[101] Filming also took place in the Wadi Rum valley in Jordan.[3]"
Here's the thing: Scott is on record stating that he shot the film in 82 days. If they started filming in England on 3/21/11 and then started filming in Spain in September or perhaps early October 2011 then that means that the crew had at least 163 days in England to shoot 82 days of material. Scott has gone on record about how it is that if one knows what they're doing then it's cheaper for a film production to shoot real (aka non-CGI) sets than CGI sets. In the July issue of American Cinematographer there is an article about "Prometheus" that discusses at length how Scott emphasized using practical lights on the sets as sources of illumination, meaning that the LED lights on the sets of the ship actually provided lighting for the actors, not huge overhead rigs. My point is that Scott thinks about how to get things done under time, under budget and in ambitious ways. So, then why would he need 163 days on set in England and 3 months in Spain to shoot one film that mostly takes place on sets that were built at Pinewood studio?
I've only seen one piece of "Prometheus" related conceptual art that has suggested an image that could have been shot in an empty water tank, an image that did not end up in the film. So, would Scott really build a single set in Spain in an empty water tank and shoot that lone scene for 3 months and then not use any of the footage in 'Prometheus"?
I think that something wicked this way comes and that it's the other "Alien(s)" related film that Scott shot in '11 and I think that the trailer for that film is going to blow people out of the water (no pun intended regarding the mysterious water tank in Spain) and draw upon all the chatter, both positive and mixed and negative, that was generated by "Prometheus".

Le_Chien
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 11:06 AMA viral campaign should supplement a film; not be essential to its understanding.
With that being said, this is another film which relies too much on its "supplementary" material for it to be enjoyed and I am not including the longwinded blogs by Scott apologists trying to convince me or any other cinephile of its brilliance.
The "Matrix" sequels suffered from this very same convoluted, backfiring strategy.
An aside: Weyland Industries were across the street from Comic-Con recruiting at noon yesterday. I could not make it, but am interested to see if any other nerd/geeks followed-up on that.
I have a love/hate relationship with Scott now. It's running concurrently with my love/hate relationship with George Lucas.

Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 2:50 PMtwo films in one fell swoop like that would be THE REVELATION OF THE DECADE and hats off to the power of the NDA or corporate Non Disclosure Agreement.
But there's NO WAY that's gonna happen here -- i.e. they're not gonna announce the SECOND PART of Prometheus on 10.11.12
Nice thought, shared sentiment; overwhelming impossiblity.
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synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 3:07 PM[u]Le_Chien[/u]: I very much enjoyed the film. Separately, I understand where you are coming from with you criticism of the film and the viral aspects of the film's marketing.
Let's assume for a moment that Scott did in fact make 2 "Alien(s)" films last year and that "Prometheus" is the first of the 2. Personally, I think that FOX was damned if they did or did not announce that there would be a second film. Would the knowledge that there were 2 films have turned people off from seeing 'Prometheus"? We know that the more vague aspects of "Prometheus" have frustrated a lot of people who saw the film. Well, will that keep some people away from the second hypothetical film? Probably.
The question for me is this: if the trailer for the second film is as great as the ones for "Prometheus" will that entice the curiosity of certain people who were left feeling puzzled by aspects of the first film? Would the sight of the Engineer's homeworld motivate certain previously reluctant people to give the second film a chance?
There's a lot of universe, both physical and thematic, for the next Ridley Scott directed "Alien(s)" to explore. He'll have my money and excitement if it does come out. That said, I can understand why you might have the same eagerness to see the next film. In that sense I am most certainly not a mouth breathing apologist for Scott. ;)

synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 3:14 PM[u]Free Planet[/u]: I'm not being a fanatic here about the idea of there being a second "Alien(s)" related film in the can. That said, please explain to me your theory on the fact that the production shot for 3 months in Spain and there is not one piece of evidence on the internet or print or in the 'Art of Prometheus" book that explains/points to what footage was shot in Spain?
Really. There truly is [u]nothing[/u] to be found anywhere that explains where that footage went? 163 days of filming in England and 3 months of filming in Spain produced nothing more than 'Prometheus"? I highly doubt that notion.

joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-13-2012 5:53 PMI've seen no solid evidence that suggests that 2 films (P1 and P2) have already been shot. Dont misunderstand, i hope im wrong and would be thrilled if a sequel was about to hit. I just dont see any reason to expect that. I think the best we could possibly hope for on 10.11.12 is an announcement that P2 has been green lit and is officially moving forward. The worst we might get (and im frankly worried about this being the case) is a marketing campaign that will drive forward the home video release of prometheus (yes i know the blu ray is set to come before 10.11.12 in the US), some prometheus toys, and the aliens: colonial marines x box 360 game that will be coming out first quarter of 2013. Just as a bit of FYI, the creators of the aliens: colonial marines game actually met with ridley and co. while prometheus was being made. Supposedly, elements of prometheus have been incorporated into the game (the game is supposed to be franchise canon). Im concerned that people (myself included) are going to be VERY disappointed.

Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-13-2012 5:56 PMIt has been done before, "The lord of the Rings" movies were all shot at the same time so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. However the issue here is time, they filmed only 3 months I think, if he indeed made 2 movies in such a short time that would be astounding.

Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-14-2012 4:10 AMSpain - ah, yes, three months shooting at the WATER TANK.
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k3B-N5f761k/TlMGHhaaz2I/AAAAAAAAAJw/WuxNkhrT05E/s1600/ciudad_de_la_luz1.jpeg[/img]
You know, this would be fun, to discover A SECOND FILM'S WORTH of content shot on 'underwater location'. It certainly doesn't take even Ridley Scott THREE MONTHS to shoot a 'yacht in a storm' sequence, surely? Or maybe the croissant lands on a Sea World?
Let's see what 10.11.12 brings - I don't know, you've bitten me, like a tick, a mosquito, a cynical aka covert ad campaign... LOL
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Xenothinker
MemberOvomorphJul-14-2012 7:11 AMThat is a very good piece of evidence, with regards to the shoot time....163 in england + 3 months in spain. If I remember, The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings were ball park 200 some odd days of shooting...
So if we look at those numbers, approx. 193 +/- (UK and Spain combined) days were used to shoot Prometheus, and other back-to-back films are shot in similar time frames. Not entirely out of the realm of possibility, especially if there were re-used sets.
However, I am not holding my breath, but I can not see anything really on the horizon worth Fox's and RS's time and energy to go into a continued viral campaign like this other than at least a sequel annoucement.

Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-15-2012 4:21 AMsome say the Spanish shoot was CANCELLED.
some detail revenue generated and construction crew figures from Spanish shoot.
both unconfirmed...
sounds like the Alicante location was to be used for the vast JUGGERNAUT CHAMBER: probably why it was missing from the release.
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/644[/img]
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synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-15-2012 4:00 PM[u]Chase[/u]: Welcome to the board. I like your avatar photo.
I want to add to what you wrote about regarding [u]Le_Chien[/u]'s earlier post.
Before I saw 'Prometheus" for the first time the only film related official content that I saw were the "David8" video and Weyland's "TED" talk video. Before I saw the film for the first time this site was the only "Prometheus" related site that I visited. I never visited the Weyland Industries website. My point is that as much as I was amped for the film and was a huge fan of the first 2 "Alien(s)" films I did not need viral/supplementary content in order to enjoy/understand/make me want to see 'Prometheus". In fact, it's only been since June 10th that I started spending time online trying to learn more about the film and the public's response to it.
I view this ongoing viral campaign as what it is: a series of events and a pool of content whose end game is unknown to me and seemingly everyone else who saw the film. My hope of course is that the viral campaign leads to the news that there is a second film in the can and that it will be released before the end of the year.
The only thing that the current viral campaign has done for me is to further stir up the questions and the sense of curiosity and yearning that I had in the wake of seeing the first time. BTW, I was so moved/agitated by the film that I saw it for a second time 24 hours after my initial viewing of the film. As of last night I've seen the film 5 times. And yes, I'm nuts even if/though I'm not a fanboy!

synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-15-2012 2:27 PM[u]FreePlanet[/u]: You wrote: "Or maybe the croissant lands on a Sea World?"
Very funny.
Thanks for that link/connection to the Juggernaut image. Given that the crew of the Prometheus end up entering the Juggernaut through service tunnels that connect to the ship I'm not going to place much stock in the notion that the water tank in Spain was meant to be used to shoot the Juggernaut chamber. That's not a dig at your suggestion/theory: it’s just that I choose to believe that during the development process for the film it was decided that the chamber was not an integral part of the film/script. An enormous aspect of the film is how the mysteries of the Pyramid unfold to the crew and the audience. Although the trailers revealed to us the presence of the Juggernaut it was not until we watched the film that we learned where the Juggernaut was located/how it became an active element in the film.
[u]joeyjoe[/u]: You wrote: "Im concerned that people (myself included) are going to be VERY disappointed."
I share that fear. If the ongoing viral buzz and the mystery surrounding 10.11.12 all lead to nothing more than a tie in to the release of the of the "Prometheus" DVD, the "Colonial Marines" game and a syndicated-style/level TV show then I think that a lot of fans will feel pissed and roasted and not so friendly towards Fox and the franchise. However, that's why I think that there is in fact something afoot here larger than a videogame or a TV show because I doubt that Fox would want to disappoint/infuriate the fan base the same way it did with "Alien 3" and "Resurrection". "Prometheus" may have frustrated a lot of people but people are still talking about it and still buying tickets to see it.
To add to the confusion/mystery here's a link from about a year ago that relates to the shoot in Spain. It's worthwhile to read the comments.
[url=http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/08/prometheus-filming-in-spain.html]http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/08/prometheus-filming-in-spain.html[/url]
In the end I may very well be proven wrong but I stand by the notion that it makes no sense that it took Scott 163 days to shoot 82 days worth of content for a single film that relied more heavily on physical sets than it did on CGI.

synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-15-2012 2:53 PMI was just digging around for more info regarding the shoot in Spain and I found this info regarding the development of 'Prometheus".
[url=http://www.alexandrosmaragos.com/2012/03/prometheus.html]http://www.alexandrosmaragos.com/2012/03/prometheus.html[/url]
"[u]Scott initially sought to produce the prequel in two parts and in 3D.[/u] He also anticipated having former commercial director Carl Erik Rinsch direct it, but 20th Century Fox, which owns the Alien franchise rights, wanted Scott to be the director. By July 2009, Scott was attached to direct the film. Screenwriter Jon Spaihts had pitched to Fox his approach to the prequel. The studio and Scott liked the pitch and hired Spaihts to write the screenplay. Lindelof was later hired to revise Spaihts's screenplay. In October 2010, Lindelof submitted the revised screenplay to 20th Century Fox. The studio was pleased because it had contested Scott's proposed budget of $150–160 million and found Lindelof's screenplay to be more budget-conscious; Scott had initially requested a $250 million budget along with an R rating, but 20th Century Fox was reluctant to invest so much money in a film that was not PG-13."
Well, here's a list of things that Scott wanted from Fox that he got: 3D and an R-rating. Given the numbers and facts about the production of the film that don't add up (e.g. 163 days to shoot 82 days worth of content and the "alleged' 3+ months of production in Spain) is it so far out to think that Scott also got the following from Fox: the prequel in 2 parts?
On a different note, I just want to add that I've read that "Prometheus" received $5 million dollars in production grants from the UK, so the actual budget for the film was $125 million.

ChaseNine
MemberOvomorphJul-15-2012 3:15 PMGreat thread here, valid topics and points throughout.
I just want to but in and say that, Le-Chien, you stated:
[i]"A viral campaign should supplement a film; not be essential to its understanding."[/i]
This is a really great point, and while I 50% agree with you, I therefore also 50% disagree.
It is annoying for a non-fan to see a film and not understand the plot, I get that. I've had that happen several times too. But in a film where it's loosely based in a universe of another film, I think the supplemental material is more fun to find out on your own than to just be given or told. That said, I am not always outgoing about every single scifi movie that I love - I don't think it's necessarily fair, but I also don't think it's fair for a critic or even a fan to say that a movie sucks simply because there are too many unanswered questions that are obviously included in supplemental material. That isn't fair because the people who created the film (Ridley, too) weren't trying to make a treasure-hunt movie for fans. They made something that they loved and understood, and just because a critic doesn't understand it, doesn't make it bad.
I'm not calling it a masterpiece because Ridley says so, I'm only saying that the movie is amazing for what it is, and that the supplemental material, like it or not, does in fact answer many questions that most arguments bring up about it. And beyond that, who cares where the answer comes from. The Matrix was brought up earlier - and what's funny is I still feel this way with this trilogy as well - people still hate those movies because there are still people out there who don't understand them. I don't blame them, if I didn't get it I wouldn't like it either. But that doesn't mean it's bad. The Matrix [i]is[/i] a masterpiece and is a gem among movies of its' time, because it was way ahead of its time, both technologically and also rhetorically.
Same with Prometheus.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 2:26 PM"..the viral campaign leads to the news that there is a second film in the can and that it will be released before the end of the year..."
Is this possible? THis would be a great strategy for this particular movie franchise because of the interet..though not ticket sales FOX wanted.
Just think a P2 more action orientated than P1 tying up lose ends and building to a great P3 with a thoughtful.definitive version of the events just before 'Alien'..
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ChaseNine
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 3:37 PMThanks for the welcome Synthetic. Now I'll add to your comment, which by the way, is amazing. I wish that SOMEHOW I could con all of the critics and haters of this film to see things from your perspective.
The fact that you did not need the extra content to enjoy the film is absolutely what Ridley and the makers of this movie intended. In fact, I daresay that's the intent of any film ever made that has supplemental content - they just want to add to a universe that they already loved making a film of. That's how I see it, and you worded it perfectly: the endgame is not clear. And that's the beauty of it... we don't need answers in order to love the game. The opposite actually. If we don't know all the answers, then we should be sparking more curiosity. Obviously this won't apply to any non-fan. But you said yourself, you're not a huge fanboy/fanatic, and yet you've seen the film several times and have been interested enough to check out the online world of it.
One last thing, on those same lines. I have a belief that a movie should not be critiqued or judged (by a normal fan OR by a professional critic) unless they have seen it AT MINIMUM two times, THREE times preferred. That way, you can't just judge what you think off a first impression. How many times do we hate something or someone, until we get to know them better. And sometimes that hate turns into a friendship or even more, a love. I have fallen in love with several movies, not only sci-fi either, after watching and disliking them the first time watching through.
I wish this was a rule for all movie-goers, lol. Also, mad props for seeing it 5 times. This may or may not be my most favorite movie of absolute all-time (right after The Matrix, which I never thought would be surpassed) and I've still not seen it that many times yet. I need to before it leaves the beautiful big silver screen.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 6:47 AM"..have fallen in love with several movies, not only sci-fi either, after watching and disliking them the first time watching through..."
Sometimes just a comment from a friend about a movie will cause me to seek it out again..and find myself enjoying it much more the 2nd time through.
Their comment could clear up a question..or just give a different perspective..
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