Original Alien Engineer

@Freeplantet. And perhaps the SJ from Alien is older. Keep in mind, he was fossilize. Like a dinosaur. Plus the rules of how the SJ is fossilized may not follow the same rules that we have on earth due to the atmosphere and make up of the species.

Freeplanet, the SJ lived YEARS, perhaps EONS BEFORE the Deacon was created. If memory serves, the events in Alien occur approx 25-30 years after the events in Prometheus.

Red Wolf, allegedly - but that can all change in Lindelof-world. LOL

I suppose...

We know what happened to the SJ. He was on his way somewhere with bioweapons, he was infected, something burst out of him, he crashed, he was discovered by the crew of the Nostromo. Why do we have to have another damn franchise to tell us that? Ridley realizes this. It was Ridley's idea to tell another story. He hired Lindeloff to get his ideas written out. Ridley's stated before that he's a "frustrated writer" and that instead of hitting himslef over the head and taking too long trying to get his ideas down, he can afford to hire expensive writers to get HIS ideas down on paper. It doesn't make sense to tell a damn story we already know! And if you have half a brain then you pretty much know what happened to the SJ. Grow an imagination and fill in the blanks. Just my opinion lol.

Before Prometheus the SJ in Alien to me was: 1.) A GIANT Frickin Snork Alien not ancient human 2.) Was created to pilot the ship and permanently bonded there cause where he's going there is no coming back 3.)A kamikaze pilot who's sacrifical journey was to seed Alien technology that can't be morally understood cause it's creators are from HELL 4.) Regardless if the radio transmission is understood as an SOS or a Warning it is a BEACON revealing their omnipotent presence 5.) The ship was not crashed but purposely landed cause it was Terrorforming under the planet surface and is it self a portal to the homeworld

I concur 100%. The SJ/Juggernaut/eggs scenario is all but answered for me. But again, how that scenario, the "mission" of the Nostromo to bring back [to Weyland Ind.] a xeno, the beginning of Aliens (i.e., terraformers; Burke; Queen Alien, etc.) TIES IN with Prometheus is perplexing, no?

Sorry. I meant I concur with Engineering 100%.

no, we all know why it wasn't simply spelled out, Lindelof.

Linde' only did what he was TOLD to do; RS & FOX hold rank on him. Pro' is no different from just about EVERY sci-fi/action movie: Keep Them Wanting More = more $$$. Dirty Harry Star Trek Die Hard Alien Rambo Predator the list goes on-n-on... The truly sad part of it all is that RS is no Spring Chicken (and I was in HS when Alien "came out" (pun intended), so I'm hoping Epimetheus (I'm starting/continuing a movement to name the sequel) is released while I'm still breathing!

I know its a plot hole for how does a Xeno Egg come open without no one around? I dont know how Ridley explains that one, but then again maybe there is a way this can happen we really dont know. What would possess the Pilot to maybe go and have a peep at his Cargo while he is on a mission, thus gets Facehugged, then after he regains consciousness he realizes whats happened and that he can not get his Cargo to its destination and thus he knows its only a matter of time before he gets Chest Busted. If thats the case why did he set down to LV 426, unless he knew the Cargo is deadly and they cant allow it to come into contact with any lifeforms without their (Engineers) control and approval. So after he gets Face Hugged he then tries to Quarantine the Ship and its Cargo and heads for a Baron System and sends the SOS Message. Thats the only thing that makes sense, as the Engineer had his hands on the controls so i dont think his Ship had landed when he was Chest Busted but he was in the process of flying or landing the Ship when he got Chest Busted which means he must have set the Beacon prior to the landing. Then again who knows the exact sequence.

Some clarifictaion for you all... The stuff the Engineer drinks at the beginning of the film was developed first, probably billions of years ago. The urns were developed later using the stuff (mentioned above), which is inside the vials (Holloway suffers like the Engineer mentioned above) and mixing it with a black slime (Xenomorph DNA), resulting in a black oil which infects anything it touches turning them Xenomorph (Fifields behaviour, Hammerpedes acidic blood). Thus The urns are the means by which the Xenomorph is deployed onto target worlds, and were developed thousands of years ago. The Deacon is not THE first Alien, it is A first generation Alien, an example of the mixed contents of the urns infecting a dimorphic humanoid population. Not only is a Deacon/Xenomorph shown on a carving in the ampule room, but follow the logic of the ship on LV-426... Juggernaut sets of from LV-223 (moon in Prometheus) with a cargo of urns, deploys them on a nearby planet. Xenomorph proagates until all hosts are exhausted and only the eggs remain. Juggernaut picks up all the eggs and either returns home or to LV-223. [u]En-route an alarm goes off notifyiing the pilot that one of the Facehuggers is loose. Pilot looks down to its right and sees the floor starting to melt (Facehugger spitting acid). The Engineer tries to get out of the chair but is Facehugged as he does so. Waking up the Engineer sees the dead Facehugger on the floor and climbs back into the chair thinking his suit will prevent the Chestburster from escaping. The Chestburster then erupts from his chest forcing the Juggernaut to autpilot the nearest celestial body, LV-426 and engage and automatic beacon.[/u] Also remember that the Engineers on LV-223 were vistims to there own creation as shown in Prometheus, 2000 years ago. Which halted their plans of deploying the urns on Earth. @ Big Dave... The events of LV-426 can still be shown to the audience in a sequel... A ship, probably Yutani Corporation funded, arrives on LV-223 to ascertain the fate of the Prometheus. As well as encountering the Deacon's offspring, most likely a more primal version of the Queen the crew of this ship reactivate the same recording David activated in the Orrery. One of the crew alerts the teams attention to a nearby moon in the holographic display flashing red. Their resident Synthetic operates the holographic recording and relates that it is a signal transmitting a recording, which is then played showing the events underlined above.

@RedWolf, re: Linde' only did what he was TOLD to do; RS & FOX hold rank on him. Sorry, Linde became CENTRAL to what Prometheus became, he was hacving a whale of a time, inventing shit without reason, contributing to the virals, building biblical structures on foundations of 'shifting' sand. He even received an executive producer credit - never overlook the power Linde wielded during Production.

My theory is that the SJ in the Alien movie is from the same planet that the others are from. But this could be either a different species or evolution has taken place and it's possible that the species in Prometheus are dressing like the SJ in Alien to pay homage to that one. Seeing that they come/evolved from him/her. SJ in Alien, regardless of the fossilized body, looks to organic compared to the creatures and space suit in Prometheus. Looks both organic and much larger. Look at the size the creature compared the others. In Alien, Ridley wanted to make sure that we got an idea of the size of the creature and ship by putting children in space suits and standing next to the SJ. Prometheus may not be a prequel. Alien SJ may have been there all the time before Prometheus and Sigourney's character and crew found him due to the signal.

epics7, exactly, and SJ's fossilised. However, the Sacrifice Engineers in Prometheus are at least millions, if not billions, of years old if they're seeding a proto-Earth and if this isn't a bit of Lindelof-CREATIONISM i.e. 10,000 years ago (cos we counted all the Biblical ages). Remember that Alec Guinness enters Mos Eisly space port, quote, "These are not the droids you're looking for." Well, that's what I felt like Lindelof/Scott were doing to us the viewer to goad us into seeing the Alien universe with the eyes of their delusion/obfuscation.

@Red Wolf...Yes! It seems we are of the same mind on just about everything. I guess I can understand why some are upset that Scott didn't spell out the occurances that led to Alien. I guess. But I don't understand how someone who has read articles and follows the film closely can T-totally miss his point and believe that the sequel or sequels will exist soley to tell that story. At this point Scott has made it clear that he would rather not tell that story. That he wants to go in a new direction. The Alien origin story may be a footnote in the films if anything. But I do realize that in the beginning the project was to be a straight prequel and that ideas were changed and it became what it is today. I know that there's a chance that, due to backlash, Scott might end up telling that story. I doubt Scott will bend though. If he does I will be disappointed as I feel the franchise can be a do more.

OK, Snorkle' (although in this instance I think SNORT-lebottom is more appropriate), man! are you taking some poetic license here! A. There is no evidence that the black goo is billions of years old or that it "came first." B. While there is some evidence that the glass vials inside the urns contains a "second" substance -- and that when mixed with its surrounding substance begins a morphing affect on its subject -- there is no true evidence that it creates xenomorphs/aliens as we know them from Alien, Aliens, etc. C. If your theory above is correct, why do the Engineers "gather up" the eggs that are left on the host-less planet (i.e., they have more than enough urns) -- and what do the remaining xenos on that planet do, simply help the Engineers load them into the Jugg.? D. As stated earlier, facehuggers only pounce when a host is nearby; ergo, how does one "get loose"? E. We've seen NO SIGN of any such "alarms." F. How do you know the SJ looks to his right (I mean, it coulda been his left or behind him, yes?)? Ok, ok... that's a little picaune on my part. G. Again, no sign/evidence of an autopilot feature on Jugg (though I wouldn't be shocked if it had two) nor of an automatic warning beacon (and if it had such a warning beacon feature, isn't there more than ONE warning an Engineer might wanna give? Y'know, perhaps a black goo warning or a I-think-I-mighta-tripped-the-self-destruct-program-feature warning?). H. Deacon's offspring? Who has said anything about the Deacon having offspring? I. How could a holographic image of something that occurred possibly MILLIONS if not billions of years ago be triggered? My man, time to put the crack pipe down... LOL.

@Red Wolf...To answer part of C, xenos die after a short period of time. 2 or 3 days I believe. Maybe less. Scott has said this before. When the xeno in Alien was crawling into the crevices of the Narcissus, it is crawling in to die. Also, I don't think Snorkel is claiming that all those ideas are facts. I think he's just thinking and using his head like Scott intended.

Both Sides, play nice now. LOL

Why cant we debate instead of have to get agitated at each other, Ridley intended us to all come up with out own theories but not to bicker about them. As far as FACT goes there are not a lot... Lets clear up some of Snorkelbottoms. 1) The stuff the Engineer drinks. There is no given date of how old it is, while it appears to be on Earth again Ridley said it may not be. Again its a movie and so we dont know if its going the scientific route and so Earth could have live start over a Billion years ago. But then we do not know if the planet was baron of life, the Engineers DNA was spread though the Water Fall but again there is not enough prove to say if there was already life or not, and thus no 100% proof that the Engineer DNA seeded the building blocks of life or that its DNA mutated lifeforms already on the planet just as the Black Goo in the Urns does. All we can gather is yes the substance the Sacrificial Engineer had taken, predates the 2000 years ago downfall of the outpost on LV 223, indeed its a great chance this substance was used by the Engineer many thousands of years prior and he could have done so 20K, 100K, 1M or even Millions of years ago. There has never been given any time, only hinted it was the event that started complex life on that planet. My guess this scene happened hundreds of Millions of years ago if not close to a Billion or so. 2) The urns were developed later using the stuff. This is a tricky one and open to debate because we did not see what really would have happened to Holloway and thus we dont know for sure if he is decentigrating like the Sacrificial Engineer. There is no proof that this substance is 100% the same as the one the Sacrificial Engineer had taken, or that Xenos are developed from this stuff. The only thing we see is that the substance the Engineer taken breaks down his genetic make up and DNA and for some reason this broken down material has the ability to evolve and mutate either into basic building blocks of life, or mutate and evolve basic lifeforms already on the planet he seeded his DNA. With regards to the Urns we see that it seems to only effect living Organisms that come into contact with it and it comes to life when it reaches a certain temperature and affected by something we exhale from out respiratory system. CO2? And that this substance seems to mutate and change the DNA of what ever Organism it comes into contact with and these Organism become a hybrid of its own DNA and Xeno DNA. 3) The Deacon is not THE first Alien This is a tricky one, because yes the Mural to me looks more Deacon than Xeno but then shows Face Huggers on it as well, so its hard to say. Is the Deacon just a Organism that looks like some ancestor, or is it actually on the Mural and thus the Mural is some kind of prophecy and some how the Xeno and Eggs come from it. we just dont know, Ridley has not said so and he has left clues to confuse us, there are far too many clues and statements that contradict if the Xeno comes from the Deacon or the Deacon comes after. I would assume the Xeno existed a long time prior. 4) Juggernaut sets of from LV-223 Ridley confirmed this and said the ship in Alien made a emergency landing because some how (dont say how) one of the Cargo of Eggs becomes compromised and infects the Pilot, the Pilot then decides to land the Derelict on the closest moon so as to quarantine the Cargo and sends a Beacon to his fellow Race, he gets Chest Busted but we dont know at what point. That text you placed about En-route where does that come from? i know Ridley said that the Pilot did get infected by the Face Hugger that got lose but i dont think he gave details? ----------------------------------------------------------- I agree i think Ridley will answer all within time, he plans to have 3 movies in total se we only seen part 1 and he hinted that part 2 would go further away from the Xeno and so i feel will cover the Engineers in detail who are they and why, who created them and why they created us and then wanted to destroy us. I feel Prometheus 3 will tie in Alien to Prometheus 1+2