Original Alien Engineer

@Snorkelbottom I think thats what he trying to do, we are all trying to debate and some may conclude different things to others, i think Ridley and Lindelof did this on purpose they gave no explanation because they wants ambiguity so we can all have and come to different conclusions. This movie is about life, creation etc and just as in real life and creation there are many different ideas, from Religion to Science and Evolution to Aliens creating us and many people around the world will debate which one is true and which is not, when really only a few 100% FACTs of life are proven. The rest well like ambiguity in Prometheus is up for debate. On the subject of the Urns.... Well we do not know because it is not said so that the Urns was soley for us on us, however it would appear through the many clues that the purpose of L 223 well the temple was to produce those Urns. Or at the very least use it to store or even create what goes inside them. As you said the last Engineer did not set a course so much for Earth, because that was the destination the Engineers had set prior to the awakening of the last Engineer and so at some point in the past about 2000 years ago the Engineers had decided to send Ships or a Ship to Earth, which David had suggested if they got to Earth then we would be wiped out, Shaw also said this to Janek. Ridley Scott also said the same that the Engineers wanted to destroy us 2000 years ago for something we did 2000 years ago, or indeed around that time. Ridley had said the Xeno was a Bio Weapon, he also said the Derelict on LV 426 was carrying Xeno Eggs not Urns and it was heading to a unspecified location prior to one of the Cargo getting lose and resulting in the Derelict having to land instead on LV 426. So again i would assume that the LV 223 outpost was a research facility in which they was trying other ways of re weaponizing the Xeno Organism into a different delivery system and that being the Urns. @Rubirosa Yes the crew of the Nostromo did say the Pilot had been there a long long time, but we never had no dates and we have to assume they had no way of knowing for sure. Ridley had hinted that the Derelict had been there 200 years prior to the birth of Christ thus 200 BC. And thus 200 years prior to the events that saw the Engineers on LV223 become victims to their own Bio Weapon or Experiments based upon that Bio Weapon. Which again makes me believe that after the events of LV 426 they went back to the drawing board to try and figure out a way to make the Bio Weapon safer to store and contain, which is the purpose of that outpost on LV 223.

Snorky, Snorky, Snorky... You're living proof that Ben Franklin was right when he said "Common Sense is often neither." "LOGICAL DEDUCTIONS"? Oh they're deductions alright -- but Sherlock Holmes, Charile Chan and Columbo are turning in their graves! Let's examine your assertions of fact/truth/logic: Any proof that some sort of alarm exists on the Jugg that warns SJs of nefarious facehuggers who have "gotten loose"? No. Any proof that a facehugger got loose on the Jugg, acidicly burned a hole into its bridge a man in a sizable space suit can easily climb through, jumped the SJ while he's piloting -- causing him to lose consciousness just before the auto-pilot kicks on and safely lands them all on LV-426 -- only to ostensibly never regain consciousness and stays strapped in the chair when a xeno pops out of his chest? No. Any proof that this non-proven alarm doesn't work (!) or that an ostensibly still-unconscious SJ can somehow set a warning beacon? No. Or that -- with a facehugger covering its eyes and ramming an ortho-thingy down its throat the likes Linda Lovelace has never seen -- the SJ calmly set the autopilot and beacon? No. Any proof that the Engineers CREATED the urns for the SOLE PURPOSE of destroying mankind? No. Any proof that the urns hadn't existed far longer than the 2000 years covered by the hollograph on LV-223? No. Hell, since there's no prrof otherwise, the URNS, huge head, green stone and murals might have been there for who knows how long! Any proof that I was referring only to the geological meaning of "eon"? No. Any proof that words like "speculated," "presumed," and "infers" are all-encompassing, definitive-action verbs? No. Any proof that xenos live only a short period of time? No. In fact, there IS proof their eggs live for -- wait for it --------------- eons! Any proof that xenos must be used or "die out" -- like a AAA battery? No. Any proof that there is "good" and "bad" goo; that the initial Engineer is -- or isn't -- ingesting one, the other or both at the beginning of Pro'? No. Any proof that the Deacon has an "egg" attached to it that will somehow/someday spawn offspring? No. In fact, it could simply be a placental sack; the Deacon certainly doesn't pay any attention to it while on its side or when vertical (MY BABY! MY BABY!!). Big-headed know-it-all? YOU used that term, not I. All I've tried to do is make clear that what you were peddling as fact, canon or "logical" conclusion was indeed nothing more than speculative conjecture. Sorta like a cure-all elixur salesman -- like the guy in The Outlaw Josey Wales. Maybe see you on another thread... Stay frosty.

Not tryin' to upset anyone, Dave-o-Grando. I presumed this was a site for adults with thicker skin than a crepe... No real nasty or insulting language was used (I think Snorky knows I called him out a bit -- and it hurts). It's All Good as far as I'm concerned... Thanks for the list of facts; can't argue with a one of 'em.

@Red Wolf Not sure how Snorky is gonna take those comments... I enjoy your debated but i do think you guys are getting your wires crossed over such a little thing..... Yes i agree with you for a lot of stuff in Alien or Prometheus there are no 100% Proof, you cant prove or disprove a lot of stuff so its down to how each person interprets stuff, i think your problem is you are ignored that snorky may had come across that some of his stuff is speculative rather than factual. With Alien there are so many unanswered questions..... Ridley has answered them but in each statement things change slightly and again just because Ridley says one thing does that mean to many that its fact? He may say that the Derelict on LV 426 crashed landed there thousands of years ago because a Eggs Face Hugger got to the Pilot. But we have not seen such explanation shown in Prometheus or Alien, so do we take Ridleys word as fact...? Or do we only go by what is or is not shown in the movies. Like some still think the Space Jockey is not a Engineer because we never see the actual ship crash in Alien and in Alien it still looks more skeletal to some. As far as facts well there really is not many.... Here are some.... Prometheus is set in 2093-2094...... The Engineers on LV 223 who was running way from something in the Ghost Engineer Scene had been dead for about 2000 years in the events of Prometheus Timeline of December 2093. The Engineers broken down genetic material somehow goes on to develop or mutate life on a world, its not said it was Earth but then we do share Engineer DNA the Stuff in the urns mutates what ever life form it comes into contact with so that it becomes a hybrid that carries Xeno DNA and Traits, Could go on, but need the Toilet lol.

@ Red Wolf... [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wAxDMfEGhoY/TQrlbN4gYXI/AAAAAAAAAXg/kmwztAAni44/s400/Not%2BSure%2Bif%2Bserious.jpg[/img]

Red Wolf NEVER lies or is disingenuous, Snorky (well... sometimes I feign disingenuousness -- just to be funny). Bring on the next debate! AND HOW DO YOU INSERT PICTURES IN HERE!?!?!?!?

;) Thankfully we got that sorted.... group hug anyone.... or should i get my coat ;)

What's your rush -- here's your hat. LOL It's All Good, Davey.