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Ambiguity Debate - Q4 - Drones & Warriors

Gavin

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Very often we have seen members, and staff, claim that Prometheus and the Alien franchise (and other franchises that may or may not be part of the same universe) have very few certain facts, and that everything else is open to interpretation and speculation, therefore being ambiguous. Is this true, or is it just a simple case of reading between the lines and unraveling the puzzles to reveal the facts. So, in this debate we may or may not dispel the alleged ambiguity of aspects of this universe. Therefore, I ask the following question(s)... [u]Questions[/u] Q1 - How long does it take for a Chestburster to mature into an adult Alien? [b]FACT - Less than 1hour.[/b] Q2 - How, and with what does a Facehugger impregnate its host? [b]FACT - Upon locating a host the Facehugger coils its long tail, launching itself at the host’s head, gripping with its legs and tightening its tail around the neck; the Facehugger suffocates the host. Upon rendering them unconscious, the Facehugger extends a proboscis into the host’s throat, supplying breathable air and nutrients while implanting its EMBRYO. Once the embryo is securely attached inside the host’s chest cavity, the Facehugger retracts its proboscis and dies.[/b] Q3 - What caused the death of the Engineer seen inside the derelict Juggernaut in Alien? [b]ASCERTAINABLE FACT - Juggernaut in flight over/near LV-426 - Egg hatches, sensing pilot above - Pilot is facehugged -Juggernaut forced to land on LV-426 - Pilot awakens and transmits signal/beacon - Chestburster born.[/b] Q4 - What is the difference between the domed-head Aliens or Warriors (Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection & AVP ) and the ridge-head Aliens or Drones (Aliens and AVPR). Q5 - How big is the dead Engineer inside the Derelict seen in Alien? Q6 - Is the egg-morphing form of Xenomorph reproduction seen in Alien part of the creatures lifecycle? Once we have, or do not have, an universally accepted answer for the last question(s) (which will be posted underneath the question), we will move onto a new question(s), and so on... But beware, sometimes there may be trick questions, or will there be? [center](This thread will help us, the staff, compile a series of FAQ's)[/center] NOTE - We are all aware of some peoples opinions on the AVP movies, but they will only be cited when needed, the aim of this thread is to get the answers, or the best answers to the questions to compile FAQ's for all the movies, not just Prometheus, hence why this thread is in the Alien Discussions board and not the Prometheus Discussions board.

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Gavin
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It has been confirmed, in Aliens Bishop - "removed before embryo implantation"

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To be honest, Q2 seems rather...obvious? I would say, if anything, the facehugger and its life and duties are some of the only 'for sure' knowledge about the creature in any of these films. I would be interested in seeing a question posed about the lifespan of an adult creature, as well as its life cycle. I have a few ideas of my own, but will reserve them until that topic appears.
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That's debateable Red Wolf.....but anyhoo.....................As to Q2, aside from the Alien 3 scan provided by xeno_alpha_07, there are numerous lines from the first four films that establish what is happening here. In Alien, Ash and Dallas discuss what is happening to Kane and mention that the facehugger is forcing something down his throat that they assume is feeding him oxygen. Logically, from the events that ensue, it can be accepted that a proboscus, we've all seen, forces itself down the victim's throat to impant an egg or embryo. [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5de14MNfe1rxkmq2o1_1280.jpg[/img]
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you'd think so wouldn't you, but not according to [url=http://www.anchorpointessays.com/]THIS GUY[/url] (check the facehugger section).

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Er Craigamore, two proboscis' never seen that in the movies, nor any Facehugger teeth for that matter (except cuddles).

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The Development theory as referenced by Snorkelbottom's link... "The current, and most widely accepted theory, suggests that the use of the tube-like mouth parts may not be for the depositing of an embryo in the chest of the potential host organism, but possibly a means of regulating TTXIR which renders the host unconscious and the introduction of a viral agent - which would then make the host body responsible for the creation of an embryo in much the same fashion that an organ may be produced through the creation and designation/specialization of various cells, via restructured genetic coding. Under such an idea it is easily seen how an Alien embryo would be able to adapt to varying host organisms, and vise versa. This idea would also better explain the positioning of the embryo in the host's mediastinum, when the Facehugger's mouthparts are known to only extend part way down the host's esophagus. The use of the host's esophagus is still vital to the play of this particular theory. The esophagus' lining is a mucus membrane, which would greatly aid in the transmission of genetic material. Once the DNA restructuring material has successfully altered the host's genetic code the host body would then begin the development and growth of the I. raptus embryo as if it were part of its own physiology. In effect the host organism's body is being told to create the embryo in the "free area" of the chest by it's own modified DNA. An additional benefit to altering a host's DNA so as to plant an embryo is there would be no rejection of the embryo as it is now seen as part of the host organism's natural structure." I do like this idea, however, the proboscus appears to have an opening at the end that would suggest implantation of some kind. So, based on that and the details suggeswted above, I would posit that the viral genetic material is implanted as previously believed, through the end of the proboscus, and the oxygen exchange is achieved by either a second tube, as shown in the picture above, or through the primary proboscus, which then might actually be entering the lungs through the tracea.
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Er Craigamore, as already stated many post up... [i]It has been confirmed, in Aliens Bishop - "removed before embryo implantation"[/i]

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About the second proboscus Snorky, When the facehugger in Alien is found, the underside is noticeably ambiguous and there's no reason to believe it's not possible. We are guessing here. [img]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/Division6/Alien/Face%20Hugger/ALIEN_SE_US_DISC1-196.jpg[/img] It is possible that the one proboscus performs botfunctions by splitting upon entering the victims throat or in enters the tracea and lungs, then functions as the oxygen exchanger while it simultaneously secretes the viral material needs to make the body form the the embryo as suggested.
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That doesn't mean in Aliens that thewy new exactly how the implantation occurs. For all anyone knows the viral exchange may hjappen in stages and until every stage is added, the facehugger must remain on the the victim and once it leaves, the embryo forms from there.
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"...removed before embryo implantation", not viral infection. Aliens clearly states the Facehugger implants an actual embryo, Anchor point essays discounts that FACT, despite being written 12 years after the fact. And in the films we always see one proboscis, which I suspect goes no further than meeting place of the hosts esophagus and trachea, therefore able to feed nutrients and oxygen simultaneously while implanting the embryo.

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@ Craigamore, there where at least a dozen Facehuggers in that laboratory, rewatch the scene, its very clear.

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The facehugger is a vehicle from which the true intelligence of the alien is (embryo) guided to it's potential host. Once the embryo is implanted and detached from the facehugger, said facehugger will wither and fall away. staff: Weyland Corp. Advanced Bio-Weapons. Design and Acquisition, Mars base
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The facehugger's proboscis has two main functions: keep the victim alive for a few hours by supplying oxygen, and to deliver an unknown agent into the oesophagus. The latter could, for example, be a small burrowing parasite (e.g. a worm) that works its way through the oesophagus wall into the body cavity, where it attaches itself to something nutritious like the liver, and happily grows. Or it could be something small enough that it is absorbed directly into the host's bloodstream, where it subsequently grows and develops in one of the internal organs. Sounds nasty and involved, but there are parasites on Earth with much more complex life cycles.
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Wrapping it's tail around the intended hosts neck is also a way to force his or hers mouth open. This is explored further in Aliens with Ripley and the facehugger that's attacking her. As mentioned previously it also renders the host unconscious. The hugger adapts to it's environment, keeps the host alive by feeding it oxygen. Ash makes a note in the novel and in many scripts that Kane's blood is well oxygenated. Once embryo has been implanted inside the chest it removes itself and dies. Everything you need to know really is in the movies. Choking the victim for a period of time can cause memory loss. I've also seen that happen in real life. I watched someone get choked out and when he recovered he had no memory of it. It was intended to take around 24 hours for an embryo implantation. That was the plan originally for Alien and based on the 17 to 25 hours (approx) to make repairs to the 12 module on the Nostromo i believe that was more than likely.
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Worms? Internal organs? Oesophagus?

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Again, So you would all agree with the following statement for Q2... Upon locating a host the Facehugger coils its long tail, launching itself at the host’s head, gripping with its legs and tightening its tail around the neck; the Facehugger suffocates the host. Upon rendering them unconscious, the Facehugger extends a proboscis into the host’s throat, supplying breathable air and nutrients while implanting its EMBRYO. Once the embryo is securely attached inside the host’s chest cavity, the Facehugger retracts its proboscis and dies.

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I agree with that :)
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So do i
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Q3 now up in OP

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In many early concepts and drafts of Alien the Space Jockey was a victim of the facehugger ([i]and the alien itself at once stage[/i]). How is never determined. Why the Jockey was on LV-426, again, never fully determined and many explanations have been given from Dan O' Bannon, Ridley Scott and the crew. In the end it was all simplified and made a mystery. Even past concepts are many and varied although in a previous thread one explanation was given in the Alien Special by Warren publishing. It even goes on to say how the Jockey was infected based on their own speculation, ([i]that part i didn't add in the previous thread[/i]).

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