1979 Warning Beacon

It's my understanding all the sequels were based not on the details in the book, but on Alien '79. Is that correct? If so, it means the beacon warning was never actually translated because the closest was Ripley saying it looked like some sort of warning. Someone in the company knew there was a xenomorph but kept this info tight lipped which is why Ripley got demoted after her little nap. In P1 it looks like the Engineer was using the same ship Nostromo found on LV426. if it was the space jockey that sent the beacon, Mother should have been able to decipher it. I speculated the reason they could not decipher it was due to the Xenomorph being freshly born from the earlier amalgamations. It does not make sense Scott would use contradictory details from the book for P2 after being so careful to make P1 consistent with the Alien movies.

Sorry Cypher, quick question, what do you mean the book is the only place you ever saw the beacon referenced? In A1 it is the reason the crew was told it landed and in A2 Ripley reiterated it.

Indeed Cypher, as I recall, in the book (got to read those pages again to be more precise) Ash ideed says they were not sure if the creature was on board on purpose, and they do not even knew if it was indigenous to that moon, although unlikely by the message's content. Ridley Scott later let it clear it was a bioweapon, as he shoot it to be it for the eggs were neatly stored and under the protection of a stasys field. He made it clear theye were bioweapons to be used, and said the ship was there "for a long time" and the bok is npt that precise, although describing large numbers of the egg on the cave they were found. The changes in the movie were for the better in this aspect. I was rewatching ALIEN and the DC has strong hints as to exactly this, as The Company wanted the creature for their labs and devised a plan to get it to Earth, that is why Ash had his instructions clear cut. I will read the book and watch the whole DC again for measure but yeah, hints and a more faithful adaptation, but that specific dialogue is not there (memory played a trick on me thsi time XD ) But the idea stands that on the movie version the concept of The Company knowing it all is very strong otherwise the whole plot would be very weird to accept, as in the movie Ash was put in the Nostromo in the stop right before the last trip of that ship (alongside Ripley to tell the truth) with the sole purpose of bring the creature to Weyland Ind. I think Ridely Scott will not deal with that ship from ALIEN in Prometheus 2, as it is old story and has been lying dormant there for 2200 to 1800 years (by Ridley Scott's account of that ship - to keep track on references and data) but it might or might not have a connection to what happened in the installation we see in Prometheus. The strong hint on Prometheus is that the Engineers are a highly rituaistic culture (if we take they used to sacrifice their own to seed planets) and at installation is a mix of temple and weapons depot, one of possibly millions spread in the galaxy after millions of years of civilization. As a weapon depot it is very likely that the derelict from ALIEN was there for suplying and loading, and the mess happened...maybe the outbreak on that installation (if we assume that one of their weapons went off and killed them) was the reason for the incident on that ship from LV426, but given the dates Ridley Scott set for that incident in particular but I do not think it will be that. They probably were aware of that incident on that installaton given their proximity but would not dare investigating for the pilot sent off that warning beacon before dying on his chair to avoid any more landings. That or we might see in the sequels that pilot was a war victim, his ship attacked by the same type of weapon he was carrying, or it was sabotaged on its way to the deployment point. I would be happy to see such being explained sometime in the future, but they might not do it as Ridley Scott already explained in a way that ship and what happened there. But such remains to be seen on the upcoming sequels.

LV426 could come into play in P2 if Weyland's backdrop is further revealed to foreshadow the looming battle sure to happen between the different species. One possibility is showing the warning beacon was a myth planted by the company to get Nostromo to land. A generic beacon seems too primitive for the technology displayed by the engineers on LV226. The good part about P2 is it can run parallel to the Alien series beginning with A2. Have no idea what time frame P2 is set in. If anyone knows that would be helpful.

You have some serious issues @Uneeque. There are people on this site that know so much more then you about the original film-Alien. They give you there opinions, that in my opionion are correct, but you cannot seem to open your mind to the truth. You must be young probably. Yes thats the problem.

@Uneeque the distress signal sounded almost like a whale, unless your saying the xenos sound like that, it was a creepy eerie sound and it would be most likely that the jockey sent it, since xenomorphs aren't intelligent enough to send a distress signal nor can they operate a ship.

@king. I was speculating the species was the result of the Engineer being killed on LV223. The xenomorph had not fully formed yet and still had a conscience as stated in the OP. In A1979, Ash said it was not a language at all and it was never actually decoded.

@Rubirosa. Thank you so much for the feedback. Maybe you can succeed where Voidhawk failed and link the 1979 movie script showing where the beacon signal was completely decoded and the pilot saying he had to land on LV426 due to cargo issues. Look forward to that link.

Thats your problem @Uneeque you continue to mention scripts and so on. You have to forget about all that and stick to the film itself.

@Uneeque You are unique in one thing, creating a concept that contradicts what fans of the ALIEN know for a long time, and is here trying to change for your argument something the director's himself already explaining: The Derelict was there for around 2200 to 1800 years prior to Prometheus events THe Pilot left te message before dying as a warning of what happened there. The xeno cgo at that ship were bio-weapons and one got compromised and killed the pilot. These are thibgs well stablished for any ALIEN fan for decades, but you are trying to stirr the waters with this thread which began on a totally incorrect argument. I have my quals with concepts introduced in the franchised after ALIENS, but I have to accept them as they are part of the frachise (but I try to argue against it using the logic from the original movie). I try to discuss ideas which could bring back the original Space Jockey species still I know the engineers are here to stay, although we have some hopes of something new or surprising ahead with the sequels, but this thread of yours is funny because it began with something that was not even a doubt since ever... The sequenves and scenes that hint at what was happeneing (as you want to use the movie alone) are even more clear than the scenes you used to put your assumption that Weyalnd being on the ship was not a surprise...just to use your own reasoning. This whole thread is based on an idea you whiped out from nothing but your wish for it being so, deleting a subject already known to ANY Alien fan. I do apologise for my carrying out on the movie subject as the book is the clear written explanation whereas the movie put the idea as implicit, but then, it is implicit they were there not to investigate but to "bring back alien organism" so no doubt as to what was there is left. Not bring back "a" alien organism...Mother's registry on this. English is a very objective language. They were there to bring THE alien organism, not A alien organism. They KNEW... The whole machination to put the Nostromo there, putting Ash there, everything was due they knowing the message content, as it was "frightening clear" and well, to be really objective, implying that the xeno was the one sending the message is something no one, in decades, ever said. The concept is just "alien" to the series, and I am not saying it is constructively original, because it does not depart from anything logic or in the movies or the book you so ignore, but from your seemingly wish to be so original as to create this idea over something that cannot sustain itself. The whole initial pot is simply nonexistant. You may ignore us here, but then at least respect the ones that shoot the movie decades ago and are back making the sequels. You do not listen to us, but at least do not try to ignore what the director himself said about the very elements you are trying to twart. The Derelict is part of the story, yes, for sure. But it has been there for thousands of years. The derelict was transporting a cgo of bio weapons, and one got loose. The message was left by the pilot, not by the weapon that killed him. The company knew what they were doing as to even plan get one of the crew members infected and bring him in hypersleep infected to extract the organism back on Earth. (movie, movie...how eager was Ash to put the poor guy in hypersleep, it is not so?) I was wrong about the clarity on the movie, but the hints more than warrant it being more faithful to the book than you want give credit... You might try to ignore the facts we pose, but ignoring the director and creators of the franchise does create a serious flaw on your arguing...

@Rubirosa.....have you read my posts? I have been sticking to the film itself. You are just like voidhawk by squawking wildly without actually supporting what you are saying. Have fun with that.

Eh But pay attention, Uneeque, because you are the one posting something wrong in relation to ALIEN. You claim we do not support our ideas, but then we have the director and producers on our side on this... You have? What do you have? Quotes from a script you are using as you please, but ignoring the whole movie concept and execution... Interesting but not constructive at all, and does not support your initial post I am afraid of...

The 1979 film never shows the beacon warning being decoded and fully translated and it was Ripley, not Ash, who said it looked like some sort of warning. Ash said in the film it was not a language. Tell us where in the film Ash changes what he said, then decodes it and translates it to English. Give us the time mark.

What was the source of the sample David slipped in Charlie's drink? Was it directly from the Bio weapon or was it the product of the Bio weapon that raped and killed the Engineers?

The Derelict not crashed and probably is aground long time ago on LV-426... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnAiIqWsyAo&feature=player_embedded]Ridley Scott talks Prometheus with Geoff Boucher[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=a4_pnGj9wm4#t=1082s]Prometheus Press Conference[/url] [url=http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-2-sequel-interview/170207/]Ridley Scott Talks PROMETHEUS, Viral Advertising, TRIPOLI, the BLADE RUNNER Sequel, PROMETHEUS Sequels, More[/url] an audio interview... [url=http://media.collider.com/collider_audio/Prometheus/Ridley_Scott_Prometheus_Interview.mp3]Your text to link here...[/url] And In the mural You can observe two creatures similar to the facehuggers on the face of humanoid figures [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/georgeft1.jpg[/img] as in the classic designs of Giger [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/tumblr_m5ruy00LLV1qlc1qfo3_250.jpg[/img] So everything seems to indicate that the Aliens are ancient monsters, and the Deacon or is a new type of Alien or is an updated version of the bioweapon...unless of course, that Ridley Scott changed his mind...who knows.

Thanks Shambs for the links. From the third link: (Scott talking about the ship on LV426) “Actually he’s one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control,” because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end." I surmised the ship on LV426 came from LV223 and Scott confirms that. It also appears he is saying the ship did crash there because the cargo got out of control and the space jockey died in the process. So the Xenomorph on LV426 is the product of only one Engineer. this means the deacon cannot evolve into the xenomorph. In the OP I was thinking the ship on 426 left 223 after Shaw and David. I guess I am not understanding how the xenomorph and deacon look so much alike when they had different origins.

Okay.....Ridley has the timeline all screwed up. On the Prometheus press conference in France he is asked to explain the connection between Prometheus and Alien. He states the DNA is attached to the FIRST Alien at the end of the film. He is saying the Alien was born at the end of Prometheus, which is a loose prequel, which means, as I guessed in the OP, the ship on 426 left 223 after David and Shaw. There must have been another surviving Engineer on another ship in stasis and this makes perfect sense from a military point of view because you usually have someone in a safe zone instead of everyone leaving at the same time. This also explains why the ship on 426 had only one engineer on board because those ships were obviously designed to carry more than one Engineer. So maybe the crashing ships on 223 set off an alarm on another dormant ship? The deacon enters that ship before the engineer takes off. Ridley also said the ship on 426 did not crash there so I was wrong about that. Bottom line is from that interview, he is saying the first alien was Shaw's daughter. Edit: Time mark: 15:50

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Rubirosa, you obviously have some deep rooted need to feel superior and this prevents you from being able to respond to the topic. What can I do to help assuage your condition so you will be in a better position to respond to the topic?

All you have to do for me is to continue to express your opinion and ideas in your writing. As long as you decide to ignore the truth about the Alien concept. You will continue to dig your own hole. Its all right to question a topic that has not been answered in the past. But when you begin to change the cohesion of the film around. The role that the Xenomorph has had in the Alien universe. First off the Xenomorph is not an intelligent creature. It is what it is a killing machine. Lets speculate that a Xenomorph did send out the distress call from LV-426. What would the Xenomorph gain if it would be long dead before anybody would arrive to answer the call. On the other hand the Engineer who sent out the call gained much by doing so. His reason for doing so was probably to warn his fellow Engineers to stay away from the planetoid. In doing so he also warned other alien races in the process, including the human race. But being what we are, instead of staying away we headed straight for the origin of the call to investigate. We already know that the Nostromo crew knew nothing about the reason for the investigation of the call. They investigated because the Weyland corp wanted it that way.