A79 Plot-Gap Solution

I don't mean the equipment. I think you answered the question though...but it is mind bending and i only read a little bit in relation to the simulation hypothesis. It would be neat if Bostrom made a cameo in P2 knowing how much he advocates Peter's goals.

Uneeque The link shambs provided is the one I meant. Thanks shambs !! There is some fundamental questions that needs to be answered before I can really answer your question: These are 1 Is prometheus happening in the alien universe ? I believe it is because Ridley says that the jugg and the derelict are brother ships . We have the Weyland company though it is paired with Yutani in alien (actually Weylan company for Weylan Yutani) . 2 If prometheus is happening in the alien universe then is this universe including a2 to a4 ? Should we only look a1 Theatrical cut (TC) or a1 DC ? Why is this important ? Well I believe Weyland-Yutani discovered the derelict many years before the events of A1 . This discovery of the derelict was made by a deep space probe and then after photographs and scans reached earth and an android manned mission was sent to investigate . This android mission was able to land and then when an android was facehugged the android was returned to the ship and the resultant scans showed what was injected ? So why not return an egg to earth ? Create a humid nitrogen rich environment to convey the egg back to earth . After several attempts they failed to bring back an egg as it got triggered every time and decided to use a human host . They transported human cargo they hijacked (or maybe kidnapped people on earth ) and brought them to the derelict . They were hugged and saw the xenomorph die within an short space of time . They studied the dead xeno's and learned of their properties - biology - anatomy - physiology but to fully exploit the xenomorph they needed a live specimen on earth where they could study it in detail while it was alive with the best available equipment and DNA sequencing technology . So they needed to freeze a facehugged person and return it to earth to prevent the chestburster from chest bursting. Now they had another problem : plausible denial ability . If it did materialise that a person was infected and this was revealed after scans and testing when the mission returned to earth then Weyland-Yutani could say they had no idea what had haPpened . So what's my point ? Did Weyland-Yutani discover the attributes of the alien creature as it appertains to the queen lifecycle or egg morphing or both ? Did they discover the xenomorph ability to take traits from its host and incorporate it into itself ? If they knew all this : why did they bother to bring back a facehugged person to earth ? Why not simply use the black goo on lv 223 to get their own xenomorph on earth ? That is why I wonder if the two movies are really in the same universe although I believe they are. I also believe it was from the android manned mission that the technology on the derelict was studied and terra forming and faster than light technology was discovered and utilised by Weyland-Yutani . So if you answer the first question yes and also can provise a reason why Weyland-Yutani needed a facehugged person back on earth when they probably had the black goo from lv 223 then that would probably explain how prometheus ties in with a1 TC. Weyland-Yutani probably wanted to know the xenomorph characteristics as this would probably explain why the engineers decided to change the xeno's to a liquid form . Or perhaps by using backward engineering they could get a better idea of how the substance works that breaks xenomorph DNA down (as it did with the sacrificial engineer at the start of prometheus) and thereby harness it (the base liquid) for themselves. this base liquid is a virus and I also believe that it may be that the entire lifecycle of the xenomorph (egg facehugger adult xenomorph) has been broken down and added to the ampules on lv 223. If Weyland-Yutani could reverse engineer the xenomorph DNA of the full blown it might have helped them discover the original virus . That might have been more important than the xenomorph being a bio weapon. Ash seemed to know al lot about the xenomorph for someone who has seen it for the first time . Also when and why does Weyland-Yutani merge and exactly when was the decision made to send the nostromo ? Was the crew an "asshole" crew that Weyland-Yutani felt was the best choice to be disposed of ? also the Nostromo is huge and it would be difficult to catch the xenomorph and they had no weapons . I believe that there is a possibility that the beacon might actually only have been switched on for the purpose of getting the Nostromo to investigate and the contracts were changed to that end. I don't think the derelict and the jugg are the same ship . Where did the eggs come from ? Why would you have a ship with a cargo hold full of ampules and then also have stasis field rich with nitrogen for containing eggs that prevents them from being triggered ? Why both ? To me the ampules are a replacement for the eggs. I don t think a deacon turning into a queen would bother with evenly spacing the eggs in the stasis fields ? Ah you are referring to the Spaihts draft (or one of them ) where the derelict was the result of the last surviving engineer heading for earth with cargo hold full of eggs ? I think that was rejected by Ridley . I believe the the xenomorph chestbursting from the sj died within 24 to 36 hours after chestbursting . If it was a queen and able to survive why would only lay eggs in the stasis fields ? Then again you might be right !!! I also think that the xenomorph has intelligence . Doesn't it have a human brain in that human skull that you can see through the translucent skin ? But I also believe that its instincts that are very strong that will completely override its intelligence . Please note I am till very much a novice at all of this . There are guys here who's been at it for 15 years or more . At this point I hope that the 3d blu ray might provide many other insights. With all the extra stuff .

[i]Alien Strand[/i]....Uneeque, you trully hold this as a literal wording...but I feel you will have some disapointments there, if you really like these ideas you try to force upon the original story and keep changing and interpreting things just to fit your concept. The derelict ship, by Ridley Scott, has crashed/landed there a couple of centuries before or after the [i]demise of that engineer's base[/i], so it has been sitting there, sending its warning beacon set off by its Pilot for 2200 to 1800 years prior to events on Prometheus. You still keeps ignoring ideas already stablished for ALIEN and now starts to force your ideas with a support that twarts the little already known... I and some others worked alternate scenarios working with the material we saw in Prometheus and in the movie and Official Novelization (that you choose to ignore, but it is still Offcial) But keeping with the movies, ALIEN depicted a derelict ship with alien tech, using a stasis field not known to the crew, as they only saw a " kind of mist" over the eggs (otherwise they would use that instead of hypersleep) and it was there for a long time by Riddley's words then, and now he gave the date approximate for its demise, so probably the incident that killed that engineer might be connected or not with the installation fall, but happened around 2000 years back in the story. Do not try to twart what is already explained to support this xeno-fan idea of yours. I like original ideas, but then forcing a point by interpreting things without a serious thought and adjusting things freely to suit your concept does not fit into a real debate/exchange of ideas....

@voidhawk.....can you explain why you don't understand this is based on the film only? The best you can do to oppose my position is reference things that were not in the film itself. The ultimate proof you ignore what I actually state is the accusation I take "strands of alien dna" to be literal. I already said it is not literal.

So I apologise for that line And keep all the rest. The movie depicted a derelict ship that landed there thousands of years ago with alien tech, and the message described what was there (I know...movie movie...all the scenes related to that imply previous knowldge and the mission was to bring a xeno back to Earth to be studied by Weyland Bio-weapon's division. Ok, it is a possible scenario, but ultimately without a reason as such ruse would create more complications than any gain (plotwise, tow a whole ship to another moon and plant a beacon there, to gain exactly what? they could perform examinations on the first moon and to take everything off would be wasteful. I am thinking about plot reasons here....coherent reasons to such a ruse) I cannot see what this would entail, and does not explain things that in most part are already explained (message deciphered, not by ASH, but by THE COMPANY) and the the reason as to why they sent the Nostromo there. What needs to be explained is the reason for the ship to be there in the context of we knowing it is there since the fall of the engineer's installation. Its destination (as it was going to deploy its deadly cgo) and what really happened (was it taken down by sabotage, cgo mishandling or carelessness of the pilot?) I think they will tie it to the demise of that installation, but then they might even discover it is from a third species, the Real Space Jockeys, and the engineers might have stolen the cgo after that ship falling there...this is a scenario I posted in a more detailed way in the past...

Can you tell us the time mark in the movie where the Company decodes the beacon? In A79 they have no way of knowing how long the ship was there. They could only estimate the age of the ship. At the end of Prometheus David said there were many other ships. Upon the crew entering the atmosphere, they found the installation super quick. Either they were extremely lucky, or Promtheus in Paradise will show there are several installations on 223. I would say the main reason for towing the ship to LV426 would be to keep 223 as quiet as possible and to keep fallout at a minimum. An experiment gone awry is what wiped out the engineers so the Company learned from that and implemented a much more controlled policy.