After some thought I have decided to reverse my opinion regarding eggs transform

[quote]Look what happened when the two alien eggs showed up on the Sulaco. [/quote] We only ever see one. [quote]I think all the andriods in th alien series are sinster including bishop. just because he said what he said doesnt mean its true. He did say to ripley at 1 stage that specimens have to be returned to company labs fr further analysis. just because ripley told him to destroy them doesnt necessarily mean he will or has too. all the andriods have secertive motives,i thinks it progammed into them.[/quote] There's not a shred of evidence to support Bishop having an ulterior motive. He always open with Ripley - one example as you've just pointed out. Cameron played on Ripley and the audience's suspicion of Bishop based on Ash right up to the point where he disappears in the dropship. And yet he stick around and rescues them. Saying there's something up with Bishop is simply ignoring the facts. [quote]But you must admit that the hole in the floor is square and not really consistent with a typical xeno hemorrhage. but i admit that it does look melted.[/quote] Simple answer is that a square of the floor was made out of material that was less resistant to acid than the area surrounding that square.

I think the Bishop thing is particularly important. He may have known about the eggs and wanted to do something to actually warn her or save her, although he couldn't move afterwards & thought about it logically. Not that he did anything, but thought what the company would do to her/with the eggs/if she got infected; or if some more did get loose, and tried to play it cool. What you don't know can't hurt you. He realized she stood a better chance if she didn't approach the eggs and try to find them. She might try to minimize the risk and then accidentally contaminate herself. I'm not saying I think he put them there, I'm saying he figured "what she didn't know couldn't hurt her". That somehow they had got there but he didn't put them there. He hoped he could get them back to the company and keep her alive and unknowing about his good and evil mission. He was neutral because he still has some sort of drive from the company to acquire the Alien, but not let harm come to her... Unfortunately the fire or whatever activates the eggs. Females are more risk aversive by nature. It's a proven fact and wired in our genetic/evolutionary history...This is why it's important that Vickers and the queen like to minimize risk. It's psychological and based on evolution, even neuroscience. And the male would run around impregnating/morphing everything to its will... helping to spread colonies/hives with the young Queens.

WE did see a xeno sneak-up on the first drop-ship, while Bishop was piloting the second drop-ship at some point could a grunt/warrior xeno have snuck aboard with two eggs? The drop-ship returns to the mother-ship and the Queen thus reveals herself. One idea, just tying up the two eggs for Alien 3 cunundrum.

I want to consider that if the cargo was 'people' or 'sacraficial lambs' over a time converted into the eggs it could play like a similar plot thread as Aliens did, capturing the entire colony and moving them down to the atmosphere processors for parasite infestation. Note the idea that the Hadleys Hope colony was taken 'down' into the atmospheric processors, it would make for a compelling paralell story/plot thread that entire numbers, thousands by all accounts of what Kane saw down in the Derilicts hold and by Ripley's interation of his so-called words during her 'trail-by-judgement' from her superiors: "Kane who went into that ship said he saw thousands of eggs there, THOUSANDS!' This would make for keeping the story similar without retreading old ground. We only saw a glimpse of the cocooning process with regards to Brett and Dallas much as we only really saw a glimpse of the Derilict Space Jockey just sitting there for an age for all we know. Yet Ridley Scott felt it compelling to explore and expand upon the Engineers as a people and a species and a race, so too I would like to see him and producers to expand upon and explore the coconing procedures bridging both this with the egg-laying concepts so that both concepts converge and thus connect.

Ok, From what everyone is saying, and keeping to the point of this thread, I have drawn the following conclusions /summary Engineers go to Earth, one of them dies and could have affected human DNA development, Who knows? Engineers abduct humans also because they need eggs. Did something from ones of these eggs get loose ( something we have ‘nt seen yet). This something infects Engineer. Engineer runs away, but ends up decapitated. Shaw tests Engineer and finds a DNA match. So because how eggs can be formed , there is the possibility that the Engineers do not really share our DNA, What we see was the by-product of an infection. If I have missed someone or something along the way, apologies.

The third option of Snorkelbottom about the Derelict eggs seems the most plausible : collecting the remainings eggs of an infected "X" planet by the black goo. Eggmorphed beings we saw up to now are somehow attached on a wall by alien-glue rather than lying on the floor. Not to mention the blue myst covering the eggs which is certainly done by the Engineers.

If a face-hugger infects a female host, do you then get a Queen? Could it be that simple?

@ Wormhole Urn I agree that Snorkelbottoms' option would appear to be the most plausible. What I am wondering is how much you would need to tweek that option if Planet 'X' was actually earth.

Planet X was probably very similar to Earth, and possibly may even have had human beings, if the engineers had seeded human life there as they did on Earth using the method shown at the start of Prometheus. Earth was meant as the next planet to be urn'ed after X, as shown in the Orerry scene in Prometheus, but the outbreak saved our skin.

[i][quote]WE did see a xeno sneak-up on the first drop-ship, while Bishop was piloting the second drop-ship at some point could a grunt/warrior xeno have snuck aboard with two eggs? The drop-ship returns to the mother-ship and the Queen thus reveals herself. One idea, just tying up the two eggs for Alien 3 cunundrum.[/quote][/i] If an adult Alien snuck aboard - why didn't it stick around like the original Alien did? And if it did stick around, why didn't it help the Queen? It could've dealt with Ripley and Newt much better than the Queen did. And there's still only one egg.

Prometheus suggest that eggs came from this specie : [img]http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u364/PrimitifAlien/AvP%20galaxy/Elbowthornmini_zps2d688dbe.jpg[/img] which lays eggs : [img]http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u364/PrimitifAlien/AvP%20galaxy/Elbowthornegg_zps4f3195ac.jpg [/img] Take a look at it. There are similiarities with the xenomorphs. Give this specie black goo and eventually it will lay eggs with a facehugger inside. Maybe they are also created by Engineers. If Earth had been urned, then there would be Trilobites and Deacons all over the place instead of Xenomorphs. [quote][b]If a face-hugger infects a female host, do you then get a Queen?[/b] [b]Could it be that simple?[[/b]/quote] No idea ! I don't think it's that simple though. It may depend on the egg.

Call's were a bit broader.

@ThatSM; Well Call is a different case alltogether as she was an auton created by other robots. It's hard to say what was installed in her. Regardless, it's all very fun to discuss. :) Here is a great site to find information about androids of the Alien universe: [url=http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Synthetic]Androids of the Alien Universe explained[/url]

Call seems to have a higher reasoning power. She knew smashing Wren in the face wouldn't actually harm him, and is willing to kill a few if it means protecting humanity as whole. As for Xenopedia - no thanks.

Also, remember Milburn and Fifeild found a huge pile of Engineers with holes in their chests suggesting a chestburster scenario. [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/25jv51h.jpg[/IMG]

Call and Bishop are the only androids that I liked because they helped humanity instead of trying to decieve us. Ash and David are just two creepy a@# robots and I dont like Ash because he's just machine that goes nuts.

I don't think you're meant to like Ash.

Since the validity of the androids have been raised with particular attention being paid to Bishops 'loyalties', in pa rticular to his human counterparts I wonder why it has not been raised that perhaps and android was present and active during the Hadleys Hope exposure to the alien and have perhaps had been there for several months, years even, analyzing, inspecting, collating information and thus, relaying that back to the Company executives.

Could very well have been an android at Hadley. But the colony was cut off even before they could send a distress signal, so no one is relaying anything anywhere. Before that, it would've been mundane day to day stuff that would've been covered in the weekly reports of Simpson and his predeccesors. It would also depend if the android was Company property or ICC property (as Bishop was).

@Cerulean Blue "If a face-hugger infects a female host, do you then get a Queen? Could it be that simple?" It could be but it wouldn't be that simple for males, you have to consider the male side of humans. They will always have a x and a y chromosome. So even if a normal human male is infected it will still normally produce a queen. But Shaw and the Engineer each had a lack of certain properly functioning genes along the x chromosome that the alien looks for to switch to this more effective, safer mode of creating life. I think what Vickers says about a king having a reign and then dying means that thematically if the king enters the story they are usually killed by the Queen's rise to power and made obsolete like males in preying mantises or spiders. I like the idea that hypernova put forth that the eggs in the cargo of the derelict are victims or a collection of the things that were morphed. I think what the Engineers did to the genetics messed it up at first and it did take more humans to complete the creature. The first abductees around the outbreak time created beings that had not yet properly mixed with the new forms of the genetics. Some of the morphers were partially sterile. So when the creature that was chasing them infected the Engineers a full transformation could not take place and only the head began to be affected first. The heads began explode because the full morphing cycle had not been accomplished by the Engineers as they left the x chromosome out of the equation in some cases. Even if an Alien is more male then female it still contains both sexes. just like males contain both versions of the 23rd chromosome. But to create eggs out of their victims with their form of the bioweapon they need a female. They needed to pry the genetics back out of Adam's rib and re-seperate the sexes within our species. We're told by religion that at first there was only man. Then eve was created out of Adam... The original man as described by the Sumerian myths, the Adamos, was created as a servant class. So the Sumerians say. But the first man was also said to be created when their were no women. And their version of Eve was created by taking the Adamos genetics. Adam/the Adamos already had the female genetics trapped in him... Then we were backengineered from the very first man, to be a species with women. Wouldn't that be funny. If they weren't combining/creating anything, just returning their own genetics to a more natural state to retrieve the x chromosome and egg laying traits again... So they wouldn't be forced to play with this deadlier form of the fire that does not extinguish easily but burns out faster... I think there are parts of the lifecycle we didn't see and maybe a young drone wandered away from the queens signal. Became a Praetorian or Deacon, did find his/her way aboard the dropship, planted the eggs, Bishop kicked it out on the way back, thought things were safe, and learned about the eggs only when the Queen was there. maybe the queen wasn't chasing Ripley. she may be a lot smarter than the King and had some control over her servants... She may have been instinctively and logically thinking and preparing to try to spread their colonies to other planets by somehow knowing she had to start a new hive on the only way off that planet. The stuff that covers the walls may be part of this. Some creatures may even be able to deposit the jelly and lots of organic matter down to reconfigure it. Meaning if morphing is involved a royal may still retain this ability. The head molts and becomes a crown, so warriors may have hidden abilities related to the bio-material that covers their hives. They even morph the environment to their suiting, like we do with our technology.