God is an event. Everyone and everything is inside the event. The event had a begining, and will have a end
an event never ends
LOL.... Yeah we cant be taking things too Literal..... as far as Creationism, the Bible says a Day for God is a thousand years for us... so the World was created within 7'000 years etc... (but different parts of the Bible a Day has different Time Spans, and not always 24 hours and not always 1000 years). still thats a stupidly small time.... But this is not to be a debate on Creationism vs Evolutionism....
Ridley is trying to Marry the Two.... and if you look Deeper, Really Deeper at other Cultures and Mythos and then try and connect those (Creationism vs Evolutionism) you get some interesting aspects that link to part of Creationism Stories in the Bible... and parts that could be interpretations for the Evolutionism Theory...
One Example... Greeks...
In the beginning there was only Chaos! Then out of the void appeared Erebus (The First Greek deity who represented a dark place where Death and Darkness and Shadow and Night Dwell, Then Love was created which inturn brought Order and then Light.
This is just a small extract but the complete version can be used to explain some Event, that could have some relation to the Big Bang, to a degree..... But could fit into another more Matrix theory.... just as in the Bible where in the begining there was the WORD.
There are many things that you can draw a connection between the Bible/Koran and Ancient Mythos of the Greeks and Babylonians.... but also the very begining of these Ancient Mythos can also be connected as to describe events that the Big Bang theory and similar supports..
I think this is what Ridley will be touching upon....
Lets look at 4 possible reasons for Creation.... Dont want this to be a debated in which is correct within context of real life, but sure why not as in context of Prometheus..
1) Creation....some devine Being/Force created everything from Nothing... but some creation myths (not Bible/Koran) explain a event that is not quite a devine being but a Astronomical event that leads latter to creation of devine beings/forces that create in a way a bit different to the Bible/Koran but we can draw orgins to it.
2) Big Bang or Similar Event, which Science Supports but are always finding new theories that slightly change and Evolve and give similar alternatives to the Big Bang but still a Astronomical event or Force.
3) Ancient Aliens angle which Merges parts of the above, but that the Gods are not as Magical or Devine, but highly Advanced with Powerful Knowledge to Manipulate Life/Forces.... but which may have Originated from 1 or 2 or 4!
4) Some kind of Matrix theory, that the Universe and everything in it is working like some kind of Advanced Program (The Word) and creates the universe and life and thoughts and consciousness of every living thing, that then act independantly to each other...... I guess pretty much like say how the Movie The Never Ending Story works... but that its some Force/Program instead of the Boy...
I do have a feeling Ridley is going to give us someting that loosely touches upon every single one of those.
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"the Bible says a Day for God is a thousand years for us" Man those 24 hour bugs must really be bad for god :P
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
I dont think GOD is a HE. Can GOD make a rock so big 'HE" cant pick it up. The answer to that question I think is DOH!. I think this all goes back to Nietzsche. Someone long ago got carried away with all this God stuff, and made a few bad moves for the wrong reason. Now we have the result trying to kill everything. I dont know, just some thoughts. Hope we get some good films from Mr Scott
plato is unavoidable here...or even derrida. look, when we say the word 'event' we define it by its' limitations. and event is what takes place within this timeframe and this space and that's it, and yet, by that very same reasoning, we mean that the event is immortal, because, well, if you define something by its' limits, then the limits become the essence and the essence then is limitless....what are the limits of limits so to speak - the end is not the end, the frame is frameless.
All things are limitless. However, as we pass through eternity, the very matter that composes us will - and must - change. Even after the final stars of our universe have burned out, we and they shall continue to exist - but simply in a different form. Then, who knows what will transpire in the dark? Will there be new pinpoints of light that burn into existence? Will something that our minds as they presently are can not fathom begin? It is impossible to say. Even so, it is wonderful to imagine what awaits existence! :)
There is a saying "You can search through the Universe to find God but you will not find Him except in the hearts of the Believers". So if you haven't found God in this short life,just remember that these imaginary realms will become echoed reality in this life: Alien Agenda and in the quantumized eternity of the afterlife. This might be a little crazy but who isn't after their favorite entertainment has been this monstrosity: Sci-fi Hollywood,
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ok, to clear things up, the parallel i drew between the ash quote in alien and eve eating the fruit and gaining "the knowledge of good and evil" is basically that ash in alien is praising the xenomorph for exactly that which adam and eve had before the fall....amorality (" I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality..") "the knowledge of good and evil" is essentially what we call morality and according to the story of the garden, that causes us to die.
The Xenomorph having amorality is interesting. Is it possible for a created being to have amorality if its creators do not? Do the Engineers have amorality? It is not the knowledge of good and evil or "morality" that causes us to die. It is/was the direct disobeyment of God's command, aka sin, to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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"The Xenomorph having amorality is interesting. Is it possible for a created being to have amorality if its creators do not? Do the Engineers have amorality? It is not the knowledge of good and evil or "morality" that causes us to die. It is/was the direct disobeyment of God's command, aka sin, to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."
yes sapien, but why would God command us to be amoral? the term amoral is indeed a tricky term, i am not implying that the state of the xenomorph is a Godly state, just that the android perceives the xenomorphs as being 'pure'
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yes sapien, but why would God command us to be amoral? the term amoral is indeed a tricky term, i am not implying that the state of the xenomorph is a Godly state, just that the android perceives the xenomorphs as being 'pure'
God did not command us to be amoral. He made us without the knowledge of good and evil. Adam was made from the dust and Eve from his rib. It was by faith that Adam knew God. He did not see himself being made. He also did not see God make Eve. They could look around as we can today and see the evidence of all he has made. Adam being in Eden was inside God's protection. Everything was provided. Eat from any tree except one. He was in complete dominion over all things and over all land. Satan deceiving Eve and both of them eating from the Tree gave them knowledge of good and evil, things God already knew, and this erased their innocence and ushered in sin. Sin being the disobeyment of God's command to eat from any tree except one. This was done to have free will. Yes, God could not have made the tree of the knowledge of good and evil but how is it choice without a choice? He was showing them what life was like with his blessing/protection and now they and we in turn have experienced the pain and suffering of a life of sin brought on by their fall. God did not command us to be amoral, he commanded us to trust him and in turn be spared from pain and suffering and evil and sin and death. That is interesting that the android perceives the Xenomorphs as being "pure". Is there any indication as to why they are perceived as "pure"?
will answer more in depth, but th point is this: is "the knowledge of good and evil" what we call morality or not
