The Crossing: What Can Be Deduced?

"why would anyone in their right mind go back to that life boat with an engineer and trilobite on it just cause she might need a coffee cup?"

You may as well ask why she laid there right beside the open door for a long time when both the Engineer and trilobite were just 40-50 feet away behind the inner door. But she did just stay there. She did not even attempt to run away. And neither creature came to get her because they were both dead.

A coffee cup? She needed food, water, medicine, clothes. Everything one would need to survive. Even if she was not sure the trilobite was dead, all she had to do was close one or both of the inner doors. She knows it does not know how to open a door. All the supplies appeared to be right there just inside the outer door.

"we didn't even get how long 1 rotation of lv223 took"

It does not matter how long a day was on LV-223. The Prometheus crew were using our standard measurements of time - 24 hour day cycles. Christmas to New years is 7 days. The ship arrived late in the LV-223 day. The crew slept then went back in the morning to look for Fifield and Milburn. That excursion was short, a few hours, then Holloway gets fried, Shaw has her baby, and Weyland is awakened. That is all in the same day, and Weyland is preparing to go back to the pyramid that day. Let's throw in another day just for the hell of it, even though we don't see anyone going to sleep again. That still leaves around 4 days from the Juggernaut crash to Shaw leaving.

how can she get from the airlock to the food stores? she opened the door to the med pod room and let the trilobite into the main area of the ship. unless u have a blue print of the life boat and know where the food is stored and can find a way to get there that doesn't require her to open the door from the airlock that directly leads to the main area where the engineer and trilobite are.

I wasn't talking about how long the daily cycle of lv223 was. im pointing out that no one knows it and the time scale given by shaw shows that she has at least 4 days to try and figure out how to plot a course and learn how to pilot the ship before take off and that it may well have been david who was piloting the ship from take off. also there must be some form of sustenance on the juggernaught for the crew so she may have checked to see if it was edible for her which would have saved her having to face the engineer and trilobite.

unless u worked on the movie u don't know, none of us do. its all our own interpretation of what we saw. unless u have valid evidence to support it

"@BigDave - She was just wearing the bra/tank top thing when she put her pressure suit on, not a t-shirt. The t-shirt must have come from the lifeboat."

Precisely ;)

That was what i was getting at, sorry if maybe you misread me, i was indicating that clearly she had no T-Shirt under the Space Suit and that i was certain she had a Tank Top at the end of Prometheus, i am sure i mentioned this?   I did not mention where she got the T-Shirt though.. i was not assuming she had it on.  I think indeed she must have salvaged it from some place.

I think the Lifeboat is a ideal candidate to salvage stuff from, and as i had said here but also before when i discussed the crossing that Dr Shaw would not be sure what threat the Trilobite poses she knows nothing about it, she could see it over powered the Engineer, but i am not sure she would know what happens next.

She was very distraught and broken after she ran out of the Lifeboat that the Trilobite may not have been on her mind, and so indeed as you said, maybe she would have noticed the Trilobite had Subdued the Engineer but we cant be 100% sure if Dr Shaw could be 100% Certain the Trilobite was dead.

Which is why i suggested maybe David could have told her it seems the purpose of these Organisms is to simply kill its Victim and so it poses no threat.  David would especially have to relay such information if he knows the only Equipment to put him back together is in the Life Boat.

The Question really comes from how long does the Deacon Gestate and where does it go after....

The Movie events we cant take as Chronological, not with the Crossing, not 100% its now open for debate...  which brings me to your next VALID POINT

"The Prometheus arrived late on Christmas day. The events in the movie happened quickly, probably in a span of about 48 hours. She left LV-223 on New years day, so she had 4-5 days to move anything she needed from the lifeboat to the Juggernaut"

BINGO.... indeed this is something i discussed a few years ago, a inconsistency in the Life Cycle.. because i had a few times discussed the Deacon and how in Chronological Order, it would mean Gestation was 4-5 Days...  I debated this a few times years ago using the same thing you did in that Dr Shaw had left the SOS  on New Years Day 2094 and so looking at the events of Prometheus in detail, it would leave a 4-5 day Gap between when she had escaped from the Engineer to when she left that SOS.

There was some interesting debates in this time, and i was thinking back then if the SOS was not exactly done at the same time we see her ride off into the sunset... well towards the other temples... so i was wondering was the SOS played over the top of this scene but recorded prior or after? who knows.

But i wondered if these 4-5 days was where she would have managed to put David back together.

I think maybe the Big Question is Gestation of the Deacon, if we follow the Prometheus Timeline then indeed it would appear to be 4-5 days or so.... which we have to ask how come DR Shaws Trillobite Gestation was way faster, and how come the Deacon Gestated longer than a Xenomorph?

The only answer i could come up with is that as the Deacon is in effect a Human/Xeno Hybrid as it was from a Human/Xeno-strain Hybrid Face Hugger, maybe Gestation took longer.

SO ULTIMATELY....

The Most Logical  Answer would be the Deacon Gestated Longer and Dr Shaw had no choice to go and check out the Life Boat, maybe she did take the Shotgun as you sugested, this would be wise, and maybe she would peer inside at a latter date/few hours after or what ever and if she has Davids head with her.

And sees the Dead Trilobite and Engineer, David could maybe indeed confirm they are Dead and so Dr Shaw would indeed then be relaxed enough to start to collect supplies.

Take them to the Juggernaught they acquire....

This still leaves us wondering if Dr Shaw and David then left after 4-5 days and then is the Dr Shaw's Hair simply a Lazy Oversight again...  because this looks like a good 6 Months of Growth.

But we still cant work out if this is the case, then could Dr Shaw had Held herself up for a Period of time... where the Deacon simply does not come to where she is... or did they indeed take off with David in Two Parts but then could not Navigate until David was back in one piece.

I think its a bit open to which of these takes place.

@Ali81

Here is one of the Schematics and its not 100% Accurate, i have added in RED where there are Doors that are not on this Schematic... the RED ARROW showing where Dr Shaw had Entered/Left the Lifeboat

YELLOW is the Interior Boundaries of where the Lifeboat would Separate i assume.

And GREEN is where the Trillobite and Engineer are.

I will have to watch Prometheus again, but i am sure Shaw walks into the Lifeboat via the Arrow, and then there is a Door between this Airlock Part and Vickers Suite and then another Door from her Suite to the Med-Pod and Corridor.

I am certain these Doors Automatically Lock, the Airlock 100% does and we see the Engineer has to make his way through 2 closed doors to get to Dr Shaw outside the Med-Pod Room in the Theatrical Cut.

I am 90% sure when she leaves the Door between the Med-Pod Corridor section and Vickers Suite closes, i am also 80% sure that when she leaves the Room the Engineer and Trillobite where still battling it out... But Kethol  ;) you made me doubt that lol, i will have to go and watch it again.

I am also sure there is a Large Drop to the Floor and the Entrance to the Lifeboat that maybe makes it hard for Dr Shaw to actually see, and i am not sure we can see if the Door is shut or not, but as a Airlock i would assume its purpose is to Automatically Shut.

I will have to watch Prometheus latter to confirm these though, but i think i am 80% certain on these.

"how can she get from the airlock to the food stores?"

Ben Proctors blueprint indicates the dining room was the next room after the airlock, so presumably food stores were there. In the movie the dining room and living room were condensed in a much smaller single room and the short hall/accessway to the med pod room was on the right instead of left. The Engineer and Trilobite were in that hall room.

"she opened the door to the med pod room and let the trilobite into the main area of the ship"

The trilobite never entered the main room. It just stayed in that short room in front of the med pod door. After jumping out of the airlock, Shaw just stayed right there outside the open door. All she had to do was look through the inner door window and she could see if the trilobite was in the main room.

"would have saved her having to face the engineer and trilobite"

She had nothing to face. The Engineer and Trilobite both died while she was laying outside the lifeboat door.

A fine mess can be reduced is my guess. Just a total waste of Shaw/Rapace but I'm thankful we at least got that. A little mystery here and there is still pretty cool. Probably enjoyed the Crossing more than 65% of Covenant. Super disappointed we got no answers from Prometheus instead a ForceAwakens vs Friday13th/BladeRunner. All of those are fine and even mishmashed up are on but Ridley's characters are just atrocious in their behavior and dialogue as Expert Astronauts. That aspect will never age well and I think helped to sour the box office. Now , all we can hope for is flashbacks someday which never were present on the 4 of Alien films. #hotmess

"Here is one of the Schematics and its not 100% Accurate"

Definitely not accurate. Much simpler in the movie. She literally walks in through the airlock into the main room. The door to the short hall to the med bay is on the right.

Nice Find Kethol ;)

Indeed i think there was a few concepts of the lay out but i cant seem to find a matching one, as it is different in the Movie, i can make a mock up i suppose.

I will watch Prometheus after, but i am certain the Doors Closes behind and indeed the Trillobite/Deacon event would have been contained in a Corridor that seperated Vickers Suite where she had the Bar and Tables and Chairs and the Med-Pod room.

Looking at Prometheus well from what i recall, it appears the Lifeboat would also contain the Hall that Vickers had grabbed David after he went to see Weyland and so Vickers and Weylands Bedrooms and the Cryo-Pod were all part of the Lifeboat too.

Its logical that a Lifeboat would contain Food and Medical Supplies, at the very least.. even if it is separate to the Kitchen/Dining area the Prometheus Crew used.

Nice Captures.... indeed this is how i remember it.

I am sure we see the other doors shut though, and when she jumps out of the Door its open but its hard to make out in the shot when she is on the floor as i think the shot when she jumps out is the only one we last see of the Door to the Lifeboat.

I will have to re-watch Prometheus latter.

She opened the airlock door, but she does not close doors behind her in the theatrical cut or any of the deleted scenes. All are left open, although I suppose by default if the outer airlock door was opened, the inner one would close. In the Deacon birth scene it does look like the door to the main room may be closed, but it is difficult to see for sure. It was not closed when Shaw left.

Its logical that a Lifeboat would contain Food and Medical Supplies, at the very least.. even if it is separate to the Kitchen/Dining area the Prometheus Crew used.

Janek tells Vickers she can survive for two years in the lifeboat, so there would have been two years worth of supplies. David also says earlier in the movie - "Its actually a separate module with its own self contained life support. Air, food. Anything needed to survive a hostile environment".

Everything Shaw needed was right there.

@Gralen We don't know if it only has one city. We're only shown one city, there could be more, but the pathogen would've wiped out all animal life across the planet. 

It actually makes perfect sense that their homeworld is a pristine Paradise, a religious haven, while their facilities are on other worlds. But then again it could just be one world they seeded out of many while their true homeworld looks quite different. 

One of the things that points toward planet 4 being their homeworld is when ricks says something about "main sequence star, just like ours, but old, very old". 

Ok just watched the end of Prometheus and as Shaw arrives at the Lifeboat the Outer Airlock Door/Entrance is open, she then shuts it from the inside, and then proceeds to open the 2nd Airlock Door that leads to Vickers Suite.

We then get  a Edit of the Full Version, as she places her Helmet on the Bar and then Proceeds to check out the sound she hears from the Trillobite, the Door she takes to the Corridor where the Med-Pod room is, is indeed open.

When the Engineer arrives he would have came through the First Airlock Entrance as the Computer sets off a Airlock Breach Warning, the Engineer then forces the Doors of the 2nd Airlock Door open (that leads to Vickers Suite) and then runs at Dr Shaw and pushes her.... she then activates and opens the Med-Pod Door allowing the Trilobite to attack.

She leaves while the Trilobite and Engineer are Wrestling, at this point the Trilobite has not got the Engineer pinned on the floor.

Dr Shaw then has to open the 2nd Airlock Door (leads to Vickers Suite) which closes behind her, and then she opens the Entrance Airlock Door which is also closed.

She jumps down while this door is open and lands on the floor, where she is lying down for a little while.

I cant see how she can see inside the Lifeboat from this position and besides the Door to Vickers Suite is closed.  

I will assume as the Engineer opened both Doors, but they was both closed when Dr Shaw made her escape that indeed both Doors would also automatically close and so i think its likely the entrance door closes after Dr Shaw hits the floor outside.

We see not proof either way to show the Door open/closed, but as the Doors had been closed even after the Engineers Entrance then i would assume both would close again.

The one between Vickers Suite 100% is closed after she leaves.

So i dont think she would have seen the outcome of the Fight, she may assume the Trilobite won, because of how things looked when she left and how after laying down for a little while the Engineer did not make a appearance and she would know the Trilobite may not be able to open the Doors.

This means after hours or the next day, Dr Shaw could enter the Lifeboat and look through the 2nd Airlock Window to spot the Trillobite and Engineer...  i dont think she would have had a clear view though... not how the Lifeboat was set out.

But after watching for a while with no Reaction, she could open up the Door and take a quick peek.. where she may indeed Spot the Bodies of them on the Floor then cautiously assess the situation.

Then decide to make a rush to get what ever supplies.

I can only assume the Deacon Gestation took days, and by the time it had Chest Busted, Dr Shaw had obtained all the equipment she needed and then had set off some distance to the other Temple.

At this point its now open to debate if they soon left, and spent Months floating in Space before she put David together, or if she indeed spent time on LV-223 before she did that.

The Light is interesting as looking at the Juggernaught and the Set for it, its odd that these would be Windows. But its something we cant rule out.

"It stated in the 'Art and Making of Covenant' that David kept her alive while he experimented on her and in the Collector's edition book it said he killed her to prevent Shaw from leaving him, androids have a funny way of showing affection".

The recent pod cast on AVP with Dale and Matt revealed some interesting perspectives not least that the aim in the second act was to let the narrative breath and retain some ambiguity which was built around David "The unreliable narrator". It maybe one of the reasons that the Tapestry of drawings which was planned for the Catacombs which showed David's journey of descent was not pursued in the movie it would have stopped the conjectural nature of the act dead in its tracks.

This highlights that the crossing which belongs in the 2nd act starts from the place of the unreliable narrator.

That said, and given ADF wrote the novel from a particular point in the evolution of the screen play, which locked his novels relationship with the movie at that point, there are several interesting elements that can be meshed together and sit with the quote I began this post with.

1) David's repair was carried out by Elizabeth. 

2) Once he was repaired they set course for the Engineers Home world and Elizabeth was placed in cryo-sleep.

3) Whatever additional insight David gained in flight lead to his decision to deploy the pathogen and the juggernaut did not crash it landed, as Walter deduced and challenged him over in the novel, which David does not counter he simply responds he was not made too serve.

4) David woke Elizabeth and materials and necessities were transferred to the quarters Elizabeth lived in, which Walter in the novel discovered on his first reconnaissance of the Cathedral.

5) At some point Elizabeth decided to attempt an escape which is captured in the hologram of her singing and the hologram in the novel implies she can be seen anxiously looking over her shoulder as she manipulates the controls.

6) Unable to pilot effectively she crashes the ship and this leads to the point made in the collectors edition where she is clearly over come (she may have been injured) and subsequently killed to avoid her escaping.

This seems an important step change in David's relationship and gives credibility to their changing relationship where subsequent to her attempted escape his love is expressed in overt possessiveness, control and bringing her into his experiments.

As David did love Elizabeth he would not want to admit to the crew that she effectively rejected him in trying to leave nor explain what became of her subsequently. His opening remarks on what happened in the novel is she dies in the crash, a crash which occurs because the Juggernaut was on auto pilot to the Home world and which David could not intervene over including the dispersal of the Pathogen. Walter quickly deduces the description of Elizabeths death is a lie and leads him to further deduce the Juggernaut did not crash either and that David is responsible for the release of the payload. 

I have always been troubled by David's arc with Elizabeth but knowing this kind of coercive control and exploitation is classic behaviour of an over controlling and possessed lover such a story thread would make sense of Prometheus, their Crossing and what happened in the year 2094 whilst on Paradise, the year of Elizabeths death immortalised on the tombstone in the novel.   

The Deacon.

The deacon is born with a placenta, has humanoid characteristics  and born, as the Deacon in the mural with the same bishops mitre shaped head, of an Engineer. Clearly Elizabeth was not prevented from scavenging in the life boat for supplies and other important personal elements found amongst the ruins of the Prometheus. This could be because the Deacon has :-

1) Moved off or

2) Being more humanoid has a much longer gestation period.  

@BigDave - "I cant see how she can see inside the Lifeboat from this position and besides the Door to Vickers Suite is closed"

From her position on the ground outside the door? All she had to do was stand up and go look. The outer airlock door was wide open. 

I don't recall the inner airlock door closing, but even if it did close behind her (it should, it is an 'airlock'), there is a window on that door. All she had to do was look in to see if the Engineer or trilobite were lurking about. She had a direct line-of-sight view of the door to the hall where the Engineer and Trilobite lay as well.

That door was also open when she left. You can see both the airlock door window and that doorway in this screen grab.

If you obtained the Screen Grab then you should see this door with the orange does shoot behind her, Dr Shaw is in such a rush that looking over her shoulder all she would be able to tell is at that point the Engineer and Trilobite are not following.

I think the image posted is a interesting one, because i would assume for sure that if you peered from this window you would likely not see what is inside the area where you marked Shaw as heading from.  She would be able to see if something leaves that room but i doubt you could see directly into the room.

Also the distance between the inner door and outer door is a god 10ft or more.. maybe 15ft?  i think its between 10-15ft foot and then with the outer door closed she would have no place to stand maybe to see clearly from the first Airlock to the Vickers Suite not as clear line of sight to be able to see the area where the Med-Pod is.

So i think the only way she would be able to check out if the Trillobite or Engineer had left the room would be to enter the Lifeboat and peer through the 2nd Airlock Door which you circled above and i am not sure she would have a clear view of what lies behind the door area where the Corridor to the Med-Pod is.

I think a interesting thing is the effects of the Edits to the movie and what we get, as this image i found on the internet shows the Engineer Entering some part of the Lifeboat before he attacks Shaw and we can clearly see this does not quite add up with the route Dr Shaw shot unless  the area in the Suite that leads to that Corridor where the Med Pod room is, has to have two doors to it.

@Kethol

I hope i never came across in a bad way with that reply though ;) sorry if i have.   I think i will have to watch the extras and look at the Longer Scene.

@Michelle

I agree regarding the Deacon, i think those two outcomes are the most likely explanations as i cant really think of any others.

Also regarding the Novel, i have not read it yet but it seems to add some interesting parts to the Plot...  who knows if we are to consider it as Canon... Does it mention what happened to the Mother/Docking Ship?

As i recall Wayne Haagg and someone else talked about how Both Ships had a Dust up and this is why they crashed, so it meant both crashed.   someone posted a image on here showing a Crashed Mother Ship.

But the Novel as you suggested does then seem to indicate that the Juggernaught Survived this and it was Dr Shaw who crashed it while making a escape.

I think its very odd that she would be singing that Tune while making a hasty escape though... unless she had done something that made her think David is incapacitated and has no change to reach her before she escapes.

Its going to be interesting debating the Novel Differences to the Movie, as the Novel paints a different picture to a number of events and is not as ambiguous.

"i would assume for sure that if you peered from this window you would likely not see what is inside the area where you marked Shaw as heading from."

How would she see around a corner? She would only see the main room and the open doorway to the med pod hallway, and the open doorway immediately to the right as you walk in the main room, which also connects directly to the med pod hallway.

"Also the distance between the inner door and outer door is a god 10ft or more.. maybe 15ft?  i think its between 10-15ft foot and then with the outer door closed she would have no place to stand"

I am not following you. The outer airlock door was NOT closed.

"So i think the only way she would be able to check out if the Trillobite or Engineer had left the room would be to enter the Lifeboat and peer through the 2nd Airlock Door which you circled above and i am not sure she would have a clear view of what lies behind the door area where the Corridor to the Med-Pod is."

Through that inner airlock door window - actually two, as it is a double door, each with a control panel - she would only have a view of the entire main room and the two open doorways I mentioned above.

"I think a interesting thing is the effects of the Edits to the movie and what we get, as this image i found on the internet shows the Engineer Entering some part of the Lifeboat before he attacks."

That view is from the full deleted scene. It's the same door he appears from in the theatrical cut, this is just the reverse view. The little area the trilobite attacks the Engineer in has four doors. The big one from the main room, the one to the med bay, an unidentified door, and this one, which is the doorway to the short hall the Engineer chases Shaw through in the uncut scene.

If you walk into the main room from the airlock, immediately on the right is another large doorway. Walk in that small area and there is a short hallway to the left that goes directly to the small area the trilobite attacked the Engineer in. It has a malfunctioning door that keeps opening and closing. Watch the deleted scene and you can see the layout clearly.

According to “The Alien Universe Timeline” (Canon?), they arrived on LV-223 in the morning of December 25, 2093, and David and Shaw left the planet on January 1, 2094. Shaw’s “daughter” impregnated the engineer (and Shaw fetched the parts of David) in the afternoon of December 26.

This gives Shaw and David 5 days to prepare the journey to the Engineers’ homeworld. The Deacon must then have a longer gestation period (which many of you have suggested) than neomorphs, xenomorphs and protomorphs (more than 5 days).

David and Shaw left LV-223 on January 1, 2094, and arrived on Planet 4 in December 2094. The journey would then have taken just under a year.

The Covenant arrives on Planet 4 on December 26, 2104. This would mean that David has spent 10 years on the engineer homeworld.

the main area directly after the airlock is where the enigineer and trilobite are as shown. in the movie the trilobite leaves the med pod room as when it incapacitates the engineer, who never entered the med pod room, falls backwards so they are both in the open area directly adjacent to the air lock. yes they both die but shaw doesn't know this, she ran and doesn't see the conclusion of the fight so again, why risk it? from her perspective she has left 2 huge and highly aggressive species in there fighting it out and im sure she doesn't want to risk dealing with either of them, especially after it would be logical for her to believe there would be a winner and therefor she wouldn't have much chance against who ever won that epic battle.