Did David ruin Alien Covenant?

Ati, Yeah that's a good point about Assassin's Creed and the timings of the filming. There would've been no time to lose extra weight before filming started on AC.

I do not see why it's so hard to believe. David is 'perfection'. He was humanity's best product and the Alien is a biomechanoid which insinuates that he was created/manufactured. David reminds me of Giger a little in that he dreamed this creature into existence. He wanted to create. Engineers created humans, humans create synths. The Engineers saw that humanity lost their way and became monsters but little did they know that they created an even worse monster, David. David creates death incarnate and the universe will know it's wrath. It's poetic. I also don't see how it's origins cheapens how scary the monster is. A monster is a monster no matter how you look at it. A planet of Xenos wouldn't make sense beacuse how would that ecosystem work? The Xeno would destroy it. The Engineers did have a hand in the Xeno through the Deacon, as shown in Prometheus through the murals. David simply reverse engineered their product and perfected it. It's still not in the state we see it in Alien but it is getting there.

An android creating the synth makes sense, especially David. Remember how awestruck Ash, Bishop, and Call were with the Xeno? That's only cuz something so complex can only be done by a fellow synthetic. Prometheus was always David's movie, not Shaw's. Humans acted callously and treated David like he was nothing more than a tool. Weyland ad humanity was obsessed with finding their creators and in turn infected David. I like the Xeno's origin as it is filled with madness, chaos, and uncertainty. 

David was alone on the planet for 10 years and let himself go a bit XD

Weight gain and aging- Weyland thought of every detail!

Lawrence of Arabia I get it. You really like the idea of David creating the xenomorph. I respect your opinion. But I would rather see a sci-fi movie based on evolution, not on creation.

Lawrence of Arabia - Yes. Full stop. :)

Let me allow to contribute with these Fassbender gifs:

I can understand some are not happy with a view things about the David Character, the Homo-Erotic tones did wind a few up, that lead to a number of Posts on here really bashing him.

I say he was just Sexually curious, but some of the Innuendo belonged to Movies like the Carry on Movies or the Monty Python ones.   And not really a Alien Franchise movie that was intended to Scare us.

But i think he did a decent job, sometimes you are limited by the Script that you are given and AC did also suffer from trying to cover too much within 2 hours and so the movie suffered a bit from not having another 10-15 minutes about Davids Character.

As far as Dr Shaw, she did get a  lot of stick from fans a number was not pleased with her Character, but i know Noomi Rappace can perform very well and given a Arc to her Character from the events of Prometheus, they could have had the traumatic events change her and Noomi could have played a more disturbed Dr Shaw as opposed to a bit Naive Character.

FOX and RS had sat down and taken note of a few criticisms with Prometheus and felt that indeed following a movie that was basically be like the Crossing Prologue only about at least a hours worth of this with some interaction with Engineers or other beings  would not maybe impress a majority of fans.

FOX felt the Franchise needed the Xenomorph back, and Eggs, Face Huggers and Big Chap... the only things it was missing was the Queen... I do hope FOX now dont think David is a bad Character and give him the Dr Shaw Treatment and then give us Queen and Ripley.. that would be a Sad and Bad Move.

You see Ridley Scott was very impressed with the David Character, and felt there was a Story to be told there about his development and RS is also a fan of Fassbender, who's performance in Prometheus was excellent dare i say maybe one of the best Performances in a Alien Movie.

Yeah i know David creating the Xenomorph may upset some, but RS is looking at the BIG THEME here... this is Creation, and Rebellion by Creation and Hubris in Creation. 

A tale of Creator creates, then Creation sees itself as not having to serve the Creator and strives to overthrow its creator, and then in turn wishes to sub-create themselves and then Repeat the Process....  a constant creation/rebellion/sub-create/rebellion theme.

We have THESE Godlike wanna be Kings the Engineers, who played a Role in Creation of Mankind and other Humanoids (it would be interesting to see what layers of Hierarchy are above these beings as it could be they also rebelled against their creators too.

So these beings play a Massive Role in Mankinds Creation and Evolution and then at some point they are upset with us, they see we are a Race who are not as subservient to them as they liked, they would Fear that the potential for rebellious nature could rise.. maybe because they had done so to their Creators/Hierarchy.

So they decide to DESTROY is by Creating or experimenting with the Black Goo..... a TOOL they may have modified in order to DESTROY their Wayward CHILDREN but this Back Fires on them.....

Why they never came back who knows... Maybe if they decided to Abandon us as the attempt to destroy us proved costly so they would leave us to ROT...

Their Hubris comes from their Arrogance of their Superiority where they would ASSUME without the Engineers Help, Mankind 2000 years ago would NEVER Evolve to have Technology to Reach the Stars.

A Great Hubris for them is that Mankind not only evolved to reach the Stars but also Sub-Created its own Creation the Androids and One of these (David 8) is able to use the Engineers Technology, understand their ways and writings and not be effected by the Deadly Weapon the Engineers had intended on us, but backfired.... It was a Weapon they could not control.

But David could, and he takes a Ship of their Bio-Weapons and Unleashes HELL on those Engineers, thus having it that the Engineers Creations, own Creation is able to Master the Engineers Deadly weapon intended to destroy their own creation.. And Its via the Engineers Hubris over how naive they are to think Mankind Alone can not Advance and Create such things as David.... This has Proved the Engineers undoing.

But then this Hubris is a Large one for Mankind, as David is rebellious he does not see Humans as superior but in-superior and not Worthy of Existence.... and so Mankind playing GOD (Weyland) in Creating Life in David, has proven to had sealed its own Downfall as David  now Turns on his Creators and he is able to Turn the Horrid Bio-Weapon the Engineers Created but could not Control.. into something FAR MORE Deadly..

I think this is a very interesting Curve-Ball and i am sure RS reasons for having David create the Xenomorph is the same as i highlighted above.

The Question then comes.... Does David Eventually Fall to the Same Hubris of his creators and then our creators too (The Engineers) does Davids Creation prove his Downfall in the End?

Thank you BigDave :-) The one part I don't agree about is the sexual innuendo with David's character. Remember Ash from the first Alien with Ripley and the rolled up magazine? The creature is phallic and represents rape. Giger's artwork too is very sexual. Sex has a place in the Alien franchise.

By sexual innuendo i mean the Scenes that could imply Sexual  Moments but are not.... The David "you blow and ill do the fingering" part especially  You dont know if its intended as such or it simply was not...

The Ash Scene is not really sexual innuendo but a actually kind of Rape Attempt.... and i swear the first time i saw AC when David had caught Daniels looking at the Pictures he had drawn.. i was just expecting David to roll one of them up and try and choke Daniels with it... in another Nod/Easter Egg to Alien.

I wonder if they did consider that.

Oh if you like sexual innuendo this is one of my Favorites... those from the UK will remember this Show ;)

I felt some dialog between David was a bit like this, whether it was intended or not.... i felt it was not suited to a Alien Movie, but i could see the funny side of it.... but i know it did upset some lol

 Edit after watching it lead me to Rainbow for Adults Video.. i wont post it here because its well very harsh language lol...

I got ya lol I believe Ridley did intend for those scenes to be humorous as he's stated getting the viewer to laugh opens them up to being scared easier. He also said he likes to have a little fun in his script. I really enjoyed it lol "you blow and ill do the fingering"  That sh*t was the funniest. I see how people are using it to the films detriment but I thought it added to it, but that's my opinion.

Nature is so fascinating. Right now I am binge watching a David Attemborough documentary series called "Natural Curiosities", and in each episode you can find so many cases where the evolution of creatures defies any common sense. Nature seems to be this inextricable brain capable of intertwining different species with a cruelty beyond imagination, and even displaying a twisted sense of humor. I think that is where Dan O'Bannon found the inspiration for the original Alien. And that's where we need to head back. We already know all we need to know about David, It is time to explore other mysteries. 

I'm all for expanding the story and things of that nature. And no one is disputing fassbendsers performance. He's brilliant as David. I just hate that the alien we've come to know comes from an android. The facehugger is made by an android. The eggs they come from is from an android. It just seems so far fetched and lazy. Now if he was some android created by the engineers then maybe. But no. He was created by weyland. If that's the case ash, hell even bishop should have had a better understanding of the alien being that they were more up to date androids and had a more direct objective coming from weyland industries. Especially bishop.

I'm not sure why so many people are hung-up on the thought that David created everything we know from the original movies. He's had access to the material most important to creating a creature, the Black Goo. The Goo is pre-loaded with all the Xenomorph DNA you'd ever need. Given the Goo, some time ("idle hands"), and the drive to create a monster, it's going to eventually resemble the base creature who's DNA is infused into the Goo. Every time you cross the results of your work together the stronger the imprint of the Goo on the result. Proof is shown on the Mural in Prometheus that a Xeno existed long before David was even built. Also, David himself says that he found an Egg and Facehugger, so they were not a new creation by him (see: http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45460).

auximenes Hopefully that is the case.

The Engineers created the Deacon, that is what is in the mural. Steve Messing, the guy who did the mural, stated it as such in 'Furious Gods'. The Xenomorph is descended/variant of the Deacon created by David. Joylitt, I respect your opinion, but that is fact.

The Art and Making of Covenant stated that Covenant, even though it's the sixth film in the franchise, was the first canonical appearance of the Xenomorph in this franchises history.

David is a character far more interesting than Roy Batty from Blade Runner. He started to hate his creator and the faulty human nature (I want more life father -- to realize that Roy's father was mortal), he found compassion by the same species (Batty - Deckard in the last scene) that created him and stayed loyal to Weyland in the scene with the engineer even though he hated Weyland, it was revealed that he said to him exactly what was asked by Weyland although he could have pissed the engineer off by saying other things offensive i.e. we came here to kill you. Also his obsession with Lawrence of Arabia is not a coincidence,  maybe he believes that he is living the same same scenario with other players

1. Lawrence although an English man he was different than his peers (Walter) more independent and deviated many times from the English crown's will although he stayed loyal to it.

2.  Arabs - the scattered human nations which need guidance to be united against a common enemy.

3. Engineers like the powerful Turks who oppress other nations they do the same thing to their creations and like the Turks who had advanced weapons to do so (advanced artillery, guns etc) they used bio-weapons to force their will.

Michael is a great actor by the way!

I thought it was just part of the "I'll go after the men in the audience" trope of Alien movies, it's made to make CIS men uncomfortable. If the lines like "You blow, I'll do the findering", "Whistle and I'll come" or "No one will love you like I do" didn't work then people wouldn't be quoting it all over the place.

David himself did not "ruin" A:C. I don't consider the film ruined. I consider it a "missed opportunity." What they DID with and to David was part of the missed opportunity. He shouldn't have had such a major role.

No It wasn't David, Who ruined Alien was Scott.