A Closer Look at the Bombing Sequence

@Yog - "Oh right, so we should ignore what Fox said"

If you want to go with Foxes marketing materials and not the movies and shorts, you are going to have to reverse your insect/mote theory again :) See Foxes Alien Covenant Evolution graphic.

If you want canon, stick with the movies and short films.

Indeed i think its differences to what Drafts and Books can give as far as details that was not included in the Movies, can lead us to different outcomes... as each Material, be it Concepts, Earlier Drafts, Movie Theatrical Cuts, Deleted Scenes, Art of the movie books and comments by Production etc all can take us and lead us to some different conclusions.

As far as the Symbols and Writing... this is another interesting thing as the Writing does not add up with the Engineers Cruciform that they have on their Ships, Temples and LV-223 Outpost.

This is maybe a Oversight.... but it could mean the Urns come from Predators or Elves lol   Joke..  I think maybe it could be put down to why do the Engineers all have to have the same writing?

When on Earth we have Greek, Arabic, Indian, Chinese, Japanese and English alphabets just as a small example of many forms of writing.

@ Kethol

Foxes Alien Covenant Evolution graphic, isn't faulty with canon. It says the Motes are "Microscopic dust-like spores". This doesn't rule them out as being microscopic insects as well. They do appear as "dust-like", because they are so tiny. Anyway, part of my point is that even if the Fox black goo description is somehow faulty, it is still a better source of canon than your theories about what the engineer writing says on different urn sizes. Please argue using more solid evidence. I know you can do it :)

its either completely messed up or there r different form of the pathogen. if not then how do they explain away fifield's reaction and the reaction with the engineers? fifield fell face first into the liquid so it cant be put down to just 'different amounts'. he was covered in the stuff as were the engineers. if it is all one and the same pathogen, then regardless of the victim/species, the desired effect should always be the same. so the engineers should have all mutated as fifield did.

@ BigDave

I agree.

@ ali81

Fifield gets a small spash in his face, he doesn't get "covered in the stuff" because he's wearing a protective suit as he falls in it. The engineers David bombs get it massively rained down on them, and they are wearing what looks like cloth robes. Much more of the goo would be hitting their skin at once, causing a faster effect. Also, the Engineers have a different genome to humans (they have the same DNA structure but their genome will be different). So they will have a slightly different reaction to Fifield anyway regardless of dosage.

I don't think the movie was done very well, but these different reactions about dosage and genome difference only. Any other theory needs more evidence.

a pathogen is a pathogen designed to have a desired effect and that effect would be the same although there would be some physical differences in the mutation dependant on which species it encounters. the fact that the engineers and humans are genetically different on means that the mutation would differ but not the end result. if the pathogen was designed to mutate, it would mutate no matter the species. if it was designed to chargrill its victim, it would chargrill the victim regardless of species. Holloway was being mutated, just the same as fifield but at a slower rate due to the amount of goo he was infected with but the result would have been the same

@ ali81

"mutation would differ but not the end result." - How do you know this? David says in Alien: Covenant, that the goo kills some creatures outright. It could be that it is simply lethal to engineers. We do not know the full details. In the Advent extended scene, he clearly states that the goo causes a different reaction with each genome it meets. Watch it if you havn't already, it's probably still on Youtube. We have lots of evidence of different reactions with dose and genome and ZERO evidence for different kinds of goo.

and I suppose going by ur posts that u know?

and I suppose going by ur posts that u know?

@ali81

Indeed it appeared to effect Fifield differently, but RS had said he was going through the same process eventually as the Engineer Head...

I mentioned in this Topic, that with the Paragraph from the Novel, i can see maybe the Pathogen effects the Engineers differently in that maybe it outright kills them and then breaks them down when its not from a Exploded Urn.  Or just replicates inside them when from a Exploded Urn but does not break down their Genetic Structure but Solidifies it.

Of-course we then must ask why does it effect them different, if we are Genetically connected?  Again its down to maybe faults and lack of coherent thought when they are showing us the Substance.

Because Davids Experiments are interesting as a number of these must have came from Humanoid Hosts, and so they either Evolved from Dr Shaws Egg Cells, or from Humanoid Babies, obtained from Dr Shaw or Female Engineers.

sorry for dbl post, dam computer.

from what I have seen I theorise that there r different forms. we have had 2 totally different effects from seemingly the same substance which isn't consistant. Holloway and fifield were being mutated regardless of amout they were infected with, as far as I could tell. the end result was going to be the same but at different rates.

If Sukal was around, maybe he could translate the writing on the Urns?

Why don't the corpses remaining in the Necropolis courtyard SHOW these deformities? And why haven't the bodies rotted being out in the rain for many years? I have to agree with Dave where it was just thought "oh this looks cool" as it almost didn't make the final cut. I've always thought each 223 pyramid contained different strains of urn bombs but the now 'nanites and AI '=not buying that at all.

@Yog - "Foxes Alien Covenant Evolution graphic, isn't faulty with canon. It says the Motes are "Microscopic dust-like spores".

It also says the egg "spews a cloud of microscopic spores (motes)". They are neither microscopic nor spores. They are tiny insect-like organisms.

It also show the Covenant ovomorph egg from David's egg room as says it was produced by a queen, shows a Facehugger and egg from the Alien movie, the chest burster from Alien, not seen in Covenant, shows a xenomorph with a description from the Aliens movie referring to a queen, calls the baby Neomorph a "bloodburster" and uses concept art of a version not seen in the movie, et cetera. It's just something sloppy produced by Fox marketing, not the Covenant film makers.

@ ali81

I know what there is evidence for yes. It all points to one kind of goo.

and the evidence also suggests the other.

but anyway lol

its more than likely that the smaller earns if they are small, have a smaller dispersion rate or area.

From what i can grasp is the pathogen is all the same and is adjusted to the desired host etc.

It does look more than likely that david was not the original  creator of the xenemorph but more of the final tinkerer .

Lets hope we get the next film with a more in depth explanation. 

Maybe the origin of the Goo e.g engineers were like david and just found it and were able to manipulate it ?

There is so many possibilities I just dont like it when movie studios make changes outside of the original design just to suit them. 

@ Kethol

I think you will find that Fox owns the Alien franchise rights, not Ridley Scott or any of the Covenant film makers. They get to say what is canon. It's their game. All that is shown in that evolution guide is canon to the Alien universe, like it or not. Alien eggs, usually are made by a Queen, maybe not David's specific eggs, but that's splitting hairs to say it's faulty canon. Also, yes those insects ARE microscopic, did you read in my post, my link about microscopic insects? They actually exist on Earth, that is part of the reason I agreed with you! *facepalm*. Here is the link again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairyfly

"Fairyflies are very tiny insects, like most chalcid wasps. They average at only 0.5 to 1.0 mm (0.020 to 0.039 in) long. They include the world's smallest known insect, with a body length of only 0.139 mm (0.0055 in), and the smallest known flying insect, only 0.15 mm (0.0059 in) long."

I'm guessing these spore-insects are of similar size, thus they are microscopic. Plus they can also be called spores, because they are formed from mutated fungal spores. They act like spores, look like spores from a distance, but up close they are tiny insects as big as Fairyflies. Please just admit to being wrong for once?

@ ali81

Sorry dude, there is no hard evidence for multiple types of goo. David says "The pathogen took many forms, and proved extremely mutable" not "There were many forms of pathogen which were extremely mutable".

David means the original pathogen mutated into different forms to get round different bodily defences. Please read the novel. It's all there in black and white.

The one original pathogen mutated into different forms after infection of different hosts, not before hand.