Ridley Scott says he will do another Alien movie with no horror and no alien

I wish we could get a confirmation if he is writing David 3 to be the final before Alien 1 or is there going to be a David 4 in his mind and planning. I am also curious where Fox will take the newly developed Alien mythology in the future with a new non-senile director in years to come. 

Well i think the Big Question now is this....

Do FOX give RS full reign of where he wants to go? or do they take on board negative reaction from the Fans?

It appears the Xenomorph was shoe-horned in to please Fans disappointed at the lack of Xenomorph in Alien, but also due to the growing interest in ALIEN 5 with the disappointment of Alien Covenant compared to Prometheus, i think RS could be suggesting they need look at the differences of both movies.  The Big Difference RS may think is the lack of the Xenomorph, but this is  mistake because it was not because Alien Covenant had Xenomorphs, its the way they was handled.. The Xenomorph was brushed away much like the Engineers.  

RIDLEY SCOTT and FOX need to Remember the Reasons for doing  PREQUEL..

This was that NO movie in the Franchise ever Answered the Question regarding the Derelict and its Cargo.

1) WHY was the Space Jockey Carrying the Cargo.

2) WHERE did the Cargo come from.

These TWO fundamental Questions lead us to as far as 1) Who the Space Jockey Race are and their Purpose and Agenda and 2) Where did the Xenomorph Originate from.

And so these TWO lead us to ENGINEERS and XENOMORPHS where the connection is the BLACK GOO what Alien Covenant did was push aside these more in Favor of what a Rogue AI would do with the  Black Goo, and RS is touching upon the WHY more than the HOW but i feel while this is a interesting point they can not deviate away too much from the Engineers a ALIEN movie has to thus cover the Engineers and maybe give us some reason for how the Black Goo came about... it does not have to feature the Xenomorph, but it has to set up so the next one will introduce the Classic Xenomorph.

I'd take a David 3 over a Ripley 5 any day. Ridley said the Engineers would be back for the next one and now that the Xenos are on the table who knows how the next film will turn out. I'm expecting a clash of sorts.

True Dave. I can't see Fox not interjecting again. Question, how do they take the pulse of fans? How do they know what we want; what is the forum? Can you imagine if RS takes the series completely away from Engineers and Xeno and it literally is like a Bladerunner movie? lol

BigDave, I disagree about how the Xenos were brushed to the side in A:C. The creature was prevalent throughout the whole film if you count the Neomorph (which is really just an under-developed Xeno). Ridley hasn't forgotten the question, if you watch his latest interview he brings the Space Jockey question up as the whole point of the prequels.

Maybe he meant they were rushed and really had nothing to do with the plot in terms of understanding them. They were they to please fans but they were rushed and used in a lazy manner with no suspenseful build-up or plot. 

They were essential to the plot. David is looking to create the "Perfect Organism", much like his creator Peter Weyland. But unlike Weyland and his creators, he's looking to create something that will withstand the tests of time and mortality. He found the Enigneers work and is perfecting what they have done. As to the suspense, that is subjective as I found it suspenseful but to each their own. Like the Neomorph births were well-done and the action set pieces.

@Critters5

Ridley Scott had said he could make as much as 6 movies within the Franchise, even mentioning he wishes to go the whole WAR of the WORLDS on us.... but at this time he also said the Franchise has to be about HIM (Xenomorph)

I think what FOX/RS need to do is drive us into the Back Door of ALIEN and give us those Answers, and then it leaves him free to explore NONE Xenomorphs in other movies. I think we sometimes forget the Biggest Clues that are there for us to SEE.

Ridley Scott seems to think the WHY the Xenomorph was created is more important than showing Xenomorphs Chest Bursting out of people LEFT, RIGHT and CENTER Prometheus began to cover this for us, showing us the Space Jockey (Engineers) are Genetic Space Gardeners and they experimented with the Black Goo to use on Mankind we never got a CRYSTAL CLEAR reason WHY but this looked something that would be answered in a sequel.....  But down the Line RS felt that actually having it as our own Creation (David) is the one behind it and WHY is something that Interest Ridley Scott more.

There are a lot of clues to where this is going that people overlook, the Weyland Prologue is a great set up for this, so to is when we look at HOW/WHY the Engineers were preserved as GODS the answers are staring us in the FACE to where RS is going....  We have to look at WHY David is doing what he is doing, and you can see the way he was treated by Weyland and people like Holloway have molded him into the kind of Robot that he is.  Alien Covenant showed us that David started to have a lot of Care towards Miss Elisabeth Shaw

We then need to take a look at RS and his comments regarding WHAT KIND of a World would David build?

If this movie is to not feature much about the Xenomorphs, then this rules out David merely using the Colonist to be turned ONE-BY-ONE into EGGS and also David is off to Origae-6 and i think another clue is when WALTER (David)  replied to Daniels when she asked WHAT KIND of a World they can now build... his reply "if they are kind it will be a kind world"  i think this here is the ROUTE that we are being taken.

We also need to look at the Reason for David Bombing the Engineers and his Hatred of Mankind, "They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection, They don't deserve to start again and I'm not going to let them."

David sees the Error of Mankinds ways, and it could be possible he actually has a change of heart and decides to maybe give the Covenant Colonist a Fresh Start, i also think he will come up with a Elaborate Excuse for the loss of the Colonist during the Solar Storm, and pass himself off as a Savior to those Colonist.  So i can see us arrive at a New Colony set up where David will be seen as Walter and then i think we will see signs of David wishing to take control over Mankind and i think some event will trigger David realizing that these Humans are also the same as ones he has dealt with or they discover the truth.

The Alien Covenant Prequel also gives some hints to where its going too....  The group wishing to SABOTAGE the Mission were Afraid that Mankinds Deep Exploration could end up getting us NOTICED by other ALIEN Races and cause them to come to Earth.    And so i also see THIS being explored were for some REASON the Engineers never returned and left us to BE...

Why? maybe we will find out?

But the Antics of Mankind going to that PLACE (LV-223) believing it was a Invitation has lead to the Events that lead David to Bombard those Engineers and this ACTION could now have DIRE Consequences for Mankind.

@Lawrence of Arabia

Your replies are hitting the Nail on the head as to the point i was trying to make, its about the WHY and so when i meant the Xenomorph, i meant the One David created it was not handled well enough apart from to show HOW and WHY it was created.

The Problem was Alien Covenant was trying to cover too much, that it could not fully do justice to every element, a movie that would require better use of the Xenomorph and Neomorph and cover the Engineers a bit more would have required at least 3 hours.

Everything Xeno/Neo Morph related happened a bit to quick, I dont think having them was a mistake, it was just there was too much going on to really do them justice.

It appeared purely to be a case of LOOK this a Egg, LOOK this is a Face Hugger, LOOK this is a Xenomorph and LOOK how it goes around killing the Covenant Crew and SEE David Created it. But really this comes down to restraints of a running time for a Movie...

Alien Covenant would have worked better if it was  SPLIT into TWO movies but off course it would mean many more would need to be done to get to those ANSWERS in Alien which a lot of Fans Want and so a lot of Shoe-horning and brushing aside some things (not revealing much detail) has to be done.

Didn't Fox say they were going greatly shrink the funding for David 3? How do you see that playing out Bigdave? 

BigDave I very much agree, it was like a roller coaster and things were happening so quickly. A longer run-time was needed. I understand shorter run-times are more audience friendly but if it helps a film flesh itself out better its only to it's detriment to cut it down.

Where did you read this Critters5? Even if this is the case, Ridley is notorious for getting great products out of small budgets and is rather proud of that. Fox seems to fully back him though if you take Snider's comments into account.

“Alien: Covenant” stumbled at the box office. Is that franchise over?
It was a disappointment, but I trust Ridley [Scott] and Emma [Watts] to know the right story when they find it. When universes are as rich as “Alien,” they can stay in a too familiar groove — in which case you’re in trouble — but they can also find a planet or a storyline or a villain that also lives in that universe that can be groundbreaking." -Stacey Snider, Fox CEO

@ BigDave

Like you I believe when they were struggling with the script in 2014 thy decided to solve two problems :-

1) Bring back the ALIEN life cycle.

2) Make David responsible for it. 

The collateral impact was to slaughter the Engineers and kill off Elizabeth.

There are two difficulties with this approach.

David does not mediate at all in the movie he is a ruthless son of a bitch.

The Xenomorph is not a species its a weapon.

In the next movie David needs real challenges Walter and the Engineers would be a good place to look. The Xenomorph's are treated merely as weapons, the difficulty is they get out of control has been done in two previous movies.

If Weyland Yutani are incoming with A I that could set up the final hybridising of the Xeno as Bio Mechanical and collect all the A I elements together.    

'Ridley Scott says he will do another Alien movie with no horror and no alien'

It sounds like a brilliant idea, I think, since it would be the perfect Alien movie: the monster is in the darkness from the beginning to the end, and we have to use our creative imagination - and that sounds very scary.

Ati I would like to see something like that too. I'll probably get ripped a new one for suggesting this, but perhaps they could do a Rogue One on the Alien Universe. Take a step away from the main elements of the franchise and explore some of the mythos in the universe.

Perhaps a group of deep space salvage explorers find a derelict ship in space. Board it to find the dead crew, and the husk of a dead xeno... Perhaps W-Y or a competitor of them find out and hunt them down to silence the discovery. And it goes from there. The xeno would be in it, but not a central threat to the film.

Explore more about the human dominion in space. The central habitats and world, the political climate, space exploration and colonisation endeavours. But have the looming threat of the Xeno's. Where are they? Could they invade? etc

IRaptus This is the problem I see with your suggestion: all evidence suggests that Ridley Scott's vision is pretty anthropocentric. His mythos will probably just include different versions of ourselves: creators, creation and sub-creations. I am wondering if he does not believe there are aliens out there anymore. He seems to be interested in things that represent a more imminent danger to humanity (which in my opinion is probably even more far fetched than an encounter with aliens). Unfortunately, I think this new direction is at odds with what most of us expect from the Alien franchise. Not to mention Ridley Scott has teased us to death with a wider alien universe in Prometheus: all for nothing. Unfortunately, now it seems that the worse movie in the franchise is going to be, the way he sees it, a turning point for the franchise so it will become something it was never meant to be.

From the source shared by joylitt, Thanks joylitt.

Scott brings up a Facebook experiment from last summer to prove his point. “They put two AIs together and they were communing. It already invented a f—ing language! And they couldn’t decipher what the language was so they had to switch them off. What was said and where’s it gone? They could have already implemented something we don’t know.”

There is one possible direction I can see Ridley moving in, but how it will translate into a movie is something else, but here is my take on it.

In most Sci-fi movies when alien life is discovered it is usually by humans encountering something, and then discovering whether what they have met is hostile. With Prometheus we have humans and AI ( in the form of David) meeting an aliens. What we have not seen is any alien AI yet. So what would happen if human produced AI was to meet up with alien AI? Would humans know that had happened, and what if both AI’s came up with their own agenda.

Suppose that the Engineers came up with an AI that turned on them in the same way that David has become morally bankrupt, and produced their version of the xenomorph. Along comes David and develops their work into what we have seen in AC. What we could get is David developing his version of the xeno and at some point, human AI at WY ends up communicating with engineer AI. This could gives us a possible scenario that David ends up battling engineers in some far flung part of the universe, whilst human AI wants to produce what David has created and discovers that there is a derelict ship on LV426.

The reason I am bringing this up as a possible scenario, is because we could get a movie where communication between human AI and alien AI is awakened. How this could be represented on screen is any ones guess. Where would the focus of such a movie be ? I think this would open the door for something different and possibly more psychological, with more inference to AI activity than action, horror or xenos. But in some way they could all play a part, just not a big one which could keep the budget down.

joylitt you are right yes. To me the Alien franchise always represented the fear or of what is lurking out in space. It is about encountering a species that is a dark perverted mirror of ourselves, something we don't want to acknowledge in ourselves - that we are a chaotic, violent pest species that consumes worlds.

The Derelict on LV426 gave us that first hint of the threats humanity could expect to encounter exploring and colonising beyond our local system. What else is out there? How large-scale a threat is the xenomorph species throughout the universe? Do they any natural predators or they an apex predator? That is what I would like to see explored...like you said something Prometheus teased us with.

The AI and creator/creation circle is at best an interesting sub-plot, but should not be the main focus of this franchise. Let Bladerunner tackle those questions if Ridley so chooses to pursue that theme.

The Alien-less Alien plot I refer to (re: Ati's suggestion) could be in the form of a film or tv series, and serves to widen the universe without necessary focussing on the xenomorph.

Much like Rogue One has done to the compliment the main Star Wars Episodes - fill in some loose ends, tell some backstory, widen the universe, add a different perspective to things.

It may be a way to appease certain elements of the fractured fan-base so that the main body of the franchise doesn't get sidetracked or derailed....or do what AC did and try to please absolutely everyone in a too-short a run time.

Ridley Scott need not have anything to so with it, give it to an up-and-coming or visionary director, someone like Saman Kesh or vincenzo natali 

didn't ridley scott also say at one point that covenant wasn't going to have aliens eather?

Timmy the ultramorph pretty much. Fox made him add them