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ninXeno426

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I'm pretty sure I recall reading that Alien Covenant was supposed to have significant ties to Ellen Ripley. It obviously did not. Does anyone else recall these claims?Or am I imagining crap lol.

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Hmmm... I wonder!!??

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To the OP- I had read stuff to that effect. Here we are. I don't think RS has much control anymore. I say that we should mush on with the possibilities this forum has discussed over the past year. Sorry RS, your reign is over in this franchise. 

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Disney's acquisition of Fox has been finalized,i agree DK if anything is to happen with Alien now I don't believe Scott will be involved.

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Supposedly Ridley Scott is doing a Merlin franchise for Disney or a Merlin film that could become a franchise, or so I read before. So, if that is the case, then maybe that is a commercial project that if complete & successful acts as a "down payment" between Scott & Disney to automatically green light another alien project or more projects - films/tv series/streaming.

Agreed, He should produce while other grittier talents unleash themselves upon the franchise in streaming shows & films.

I often thought there should be a tv show simply called: "WEYLAND" then followed by the sub title: "Building Better Worlds" much in the same vein & asthetic look as WESTWORLD's intro credit sequence.

Then the show could progress into WEYLAND-YUTANNI merger & so-on from there with the tag-line "Building Better Worlds" perhaps. I've touched upon this a while ago & may do an updated thread on it as We know more now & have seen more content as the afore-mentioned WESTWORLD & other topics like STAR TREK: DISCOVERY & some of there ideas, STRANGER THINGS, BLADE RUNNER: 2049, HALO games dealing with technologies & so-on so there is an ever-expanding scope for a WEYLAND-like streaming/TV Show. 

 

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"Hmmm... I wonder!!??"

It still is a Mystery who Ripleys Parents are.... maybe the Secret has been revealed?

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Regarding the Franchise, i feel Ridley Scott has been getting a lot of Stick, the Studio that calls most of the Shots... if Disney say that he wants the Sequel to Alien Covenant to have David try and infect Daniels with a Face Hugger, and Tennessee rushes in with a Joint in his Mouth, and Grabs the Face Hugger and throws it to David, who gets Face Hugged and Chest Bursts a Bio-Mechanical Queen, and this is the end of the 1st ACT.... if RS is like "no frickin way, i am not doing that" then Disney could just call up Cameron and see what he says... and he could be like "Yeah i would do that, One Condition... make it Ripley or Ripleys Mother who rescues Daniels and count me in"

I think the main thing RS should take the blame for is Championing the TWIST that David Creates the Xenomorph, instead of say he Perfects his own Version. Plus maybe a lot of Blame for the Character ARC of David which i dont have a massive Problem with...  But i think right now the Biggest Gripes with Alien Covenant has to be that we was expected more about the Engineers, and having Dr Shaws Answers.... which we hardly got... and the Xenomorph was a Creation of Davids..

Ridley Scotts other ideas are interesting to me, but maybe not to some, i feel Prometheus had a lot to offer and expand upon, BUT once you take the route to make a more Literal Chronological Prequel about the lead up to HOW/WHEN those Eggs got onto the Derelict... then this STOPS being a Spin-Off and becomes a ALIEN movie in which case, the ideas and themes of Prometheus become a Distraction because at least 40% of any Movie NOW has to be about the Xenomorph or at least it would be expected to be.

So i do think there is not much chance of Ridley Scott returning to the Franchise, in part because they (Disney) could see his ideas and being NOT what Alien fans may want now we are on that path to ALIEN and maybe also because RS may not want to take part in a more Traditional Action Run, Shoot, Hide and Hello Ripley kind of Alien Flick that Disney may feel is the Direction to take.

They may feel they need to do a Star Wars, where it has to connect to a Ripley Saga just as much as having Xenomorphs... where actually you dont have to...  Star Wars Rogue One was a Good Movie, it was not about Jedi, and Skywalkers....

I think that movie would still had worked if we never had the Vader Element, or Leia Cameo, and just ended with the Information about the Death Star being transferred to the Corvette Transport and then seen those Rebel Ships go into Hyper Drive!

The Problem with Star Wars would be any movie would have to have some degree of connection to the Force, and it would also have to have some connection to a Empire/New Order as far as Storm Trooper type Force.

So by the same Token... the ALIEN Franchise would always be expected to be about the Xenomorph, or at very least similar... i think a Alien Covenant with Neomorphs would have been fine.... leave the Xenomorph for a sequel.. or Cliff Hanger  but we had that with the Deacon and that disappointed people with Prometheus.. 

IF we had a Fifield that was more Xenomorph Hybrid and then the Crew was attacked by another different Monster that Chest Busted from Milburn, then i am sure that would have been sufficient...

You would still get some fans who would be displeased we have NO Xenomorph though, and to a lesser extent NO Ripley either... but thats Life!

The same would be said if a Star Wars movie did not contain at least 2 out of these 3 elements...   Force/Force Users, Storm Troopers/Empire or similar and Classic Characters or Characters who are connected to them!

One of those and it would get a lot of Criticism, NONE and it could Bomb!

Ridley Scott saw the Franchise had to be more than just about Ripley and the Xenomorph, seeing Space Jockey/Engineers and Mankind as being more important...

But as i said, a Star Wars movie would require more of those Tropes Listed above as far as Disney seeing this is what would MAKE MONEY.... and by the same Virtue they would see the Xenomorph and Ripley Tropes as being needed to MAKE MONEY for the Alien Franchise.

IF we see Ridley Scotts TV show Raised by Wolves do well, and gets praised, and IF his Merlin likewise does well, then i guess there is the OPTION for Disney to discus the Future of the Alien Franchise, but i think RS would have to make just as many (if not more) Compromises as he had to for the Prometheus Sequel

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"green light another alien project or more projects - films/tv series/streaming."

Financially YES i think there is quite a bit you could do with the Franchise that does-not even have to be about Ripley, Xenomorphs, that Zeta 2 System and Engineers.

Indeed a TV Series/Streaming would not be that expensive, and if it does-not revolve around the events of Prometheus/Alien and Xenomorphs or Engineers then Financially it would be Cheaper to Create due to NOT needing such Special Effects to bring the Alien Monsters/Races to Screen.

I think the Problem is Marketing.... if we have a Spin Off that does-not carry the ALIEN name, then maybe people would not know it is in the same universe, maybe it would attract less attention... so the ALIEN Prefix is a Marketing Ploy to Attract more to go and see and find out what any such TV/Streaming Show would be about.

But with such a ALIEN Prefix, then some Fans or casual viewers are going to be asking, HOW does this connect to ALIEN, where is the Xenomorph and Ripley... so a ALIEN Prefix is Cursed/Shackled to having the expectation for those things.

A Example is the Alien Covenant Origins Novel... which was about the Covenant Mission and NOT about Xenomorph Origins which some may have thought it was/should be about.  It should have maybe been called COVENANT... then under have the secondary title  A Alien Covenant Prequel.

Even the Cover was Misleading...

Where as something like this would have been more fitting.

But while those who know of Alien Covenant may know the connection or about the Book, they often mislead us with Titles and Posters... This was a Prime Example below, just to HOOK people into paying up to see it.

"The path to paradise begins in hell."

Again that also misleads us....

I think that there is potential to explore more in the Franchise, that does-not have to revolve around Xenomorphs and Ripley, i could mention a number of things they could do... but its going to be  a case of USE the ALIEN Prefix to draw more attention and make more Money, but then have people disappointed and expect more Xenomorph/Ripley connections..  or NOT use the Prefix of ALIEN at the risk of some Fans not being aware there is a Alien Universe Spin off?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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A snap-shot from the intro menu/s of the PROMETHEUS Blue-Ray... This is how I feel a WEYLAND and/or ALIEN-based TV show would be like in the intro credits...

(It originally said WEYLAND CORP, I Photoshopped-out the "Corp" part in favor of just the: WEYLAND name & logo & added: "Building Better Worlds" at the top)

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I certainly think there is potential to explore a Weyland TV Show, and having the Show simply Called WEYLAND could work, maybe have a secondary Title depending on what the TV Show will cover... its most Famous Motto was Building Better Worlds which maybe would suit a TV Show that would be about the Space Exploration and Terra-forming of Worlds.

Things to take not with the Weyland kind of angle, would be do we cover a younger Weyland and what he achieved and his Company which include.

*Medical Advancements in both Technology to perform Procedures and Diagnose, and also in terms of Medicine/Vaccines and Genetic Engineering to reduce, cure and Eliminate various Genetic Ailments, Disabilities and Viruses.  Maybe also including Artificially Creating Organs or ways to decrease Organ Damage/Degrading.

*Genetic Engineering and Technology for the Food Sector.  Such as better ways to Grow Crops/Fruit/Vegetables both on Earth but on other Worlds.

*Robotic and Machine Advancements.. which include various AI implementations inc Software/Computer Systems and Robots/Machines, not limited to maybe Cybernetic Limbs or Enhancements that could be used for MILITARY but also for Rehabilitating Injuries such as lose of Limbs etc.

*Technical Advancements to the Transport Industry, not limited to Advanced Vehicle's for the Economic Sector, but Public and Recreation too, Planes (other Flying Craft), Cars, Trains, Boats etc.

*Space Exploration and Technology, which include Space Ships, Rockets, Space Stations.

*Terra-forming/Building Better Worlds which can encompass a whole manner of Technological Advancements.

*Military Advancement the use of various Advancements from above to AID with the Military.

Plus other Possible things...

We discover that Weyland may have a Agenda behind such Advancements in the Hope of Extending his Life-Span.

We can cover conflicts with the Yutani Company who are also Rivals in various industries, but it seems that the follow are a Main Area of interest for Yutani.

*Telecommunications, Networking and Espionage. 

*Computing and AI, include Robotics. (a Major Rivalry to Weylands Projects).

*Military Advancements.

So a Weyland TV show could cover a number of things, and would be better suited to cover the Rivalry between Weyland and Yutani.    A show would NOT have to feature Weyland, or David not even in any Cameos

It would depend on the Time-Line as far as WHAT we could be covering, because we have KEY Time-Line points from a Young Weyland and when the Company is Starting Up, to the Point they become a Big Player which is around the 2020's  to when they become a even Bigger Player in Space Travel and Building Better Worlds which is likely around the 2060's and 2070's

Right to the point when Weyland is hitting his Older Age in the 2080's

These are all before any Merger.... the Disappearance of Peter Weyland in 2093 would trigger events that would eventually lead to a Merger of the Company some 6 years after the Disappearance of the Prometheus.

I think the History and Lead-up to the MERGER is certainly a Important/Untold part of the Franchise.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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This is awesome content & ideas You're providing here Man! LOVE IT! Just what kind of themes & ideas I was thinking of too!

GREAT!

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He (Scott) could be a producer but he should stay away from the story. Maybe Scott will not be involved at all but I can not say that it would be a disaster to me if that would be the case. I agree with Hypernova that they should try new writers and see what they can do. The mini series if that becomes a reality, short-films or what ever could be interesting, I would rather have that than another movie about David.

There are other things than androids, Xenos, and that so why not. Maybe a bit about WY could work as long as they do not reveal everything because there should be some mystery left but they need good writers and keep Scott away from the story. As long as they get the characters right I am interested in something new but don’t lay all the focus on the androids.

As far as to tie it to alien you just have to call it X – an Alien-spin-off, and there you have it.

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Great intro credit idea HYPERNOVA.

I love the Prometheus menu graphics. The video below has the David 8 section of the floating items on the Prometheus DVD menu incorporated into the opening.

 

"There are other things than androids, Xenos, and that so why not. Maybe a bit about WY could work as long as they do not reveal everything because there should be some mystery left but they need good writers and keep Scott away from the story."

The Cold Forge could certainly deliver this scenario in excellent fashion Thoughts_Dreams if made into film. 

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