Are the Eggs on LV-426 Still There?

I think WY was never a villain.

I think only Burke trusts Ripley story. Order to Hadley's Hope is his own initiative.

It seems that Hideo Yutani (CEO) is the villain behind it all after the merging of Weyland Corp and Yutani Corp in 2099.

"there was always the plan to bring the gang back"

I understand that Miss Weaver and Cameron have been getting behind the Project hoping for it to get the Green Light, but Originally Blomkamp's Idea was a Stand Alone and not a Sequel to Aliens.

"I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron’s. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one. I told her about it on Chappie and she was like 'No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley’s story didn’t end correctly."

"So I went back to Vancouver and, while I was editing Chappie, I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron’s film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that’s what I went to 20th Century Fox with. They seemed really into it and Ridley [Scott] came on as producer, and then it just unraveled."

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So it had been changed while Weaver and Blomkamps were on another Project and it did seem that FOX was keen, even getting Ridley Scott involved as a Producer, but then Ridley Scott wanted to get his Prometheus Sequel done first and this was a LONG Process and then the Disappointment of that Movie (Alien Covenant) and impending Take Over (Disney) really placed Blomkamp's Alien 5 in Limbo.

I personally think the Project has Promise, regardless if its Eggs/Xenomorphs that are Mutated due to Radioactive Fallout, or Mutations are via the Company trying to Extract certain Traits or Re-Engineer the Xenomorph.

I just dont think bringing the Gang Back would be ideal, but i can understand that it would EXCITE a number of Fans and Potentially could draw a lot of interest and money...  I think in HINDSIGHT... yeah a Aliens Sequel that would have carried on with Hicks and Newt would have been interesting to a degree, but due to various delays with Alien 3, what happened has happened..  i think you have to just Move on, which is what happened.

I think we could go another Round or Two with Ripley if we have some of Blomkamp's Ideas made into a ALIEN 5 where it would take place after Alien Resurrection... i have a few ideas how to do this and DEAL with Miss Weavers Age.

So my MAJOR concern would be ONCE you let that Genie out the Box (Bring Back Long Dead Characters) and especially with Disney... is where do they STOP?

You could see them then just Ret-con/Reboot other Movies in the Franchise, and we could END UP a bit like the Terminator Franchise.

Regarding a ALIENS like Movie, i think that would be playing it SAFE... and for some i think Repeating the Same Formula would be Great... but i think there would be ONLY so many times you can carry on over and over... the more times we have RIPLEY kicking ASS it could put some Fans off her Character and the Elements of her having some Fragility/Fear which she pulled off so WELL in ALIEN as well as still being a Strong Headed Take No Crap Character.

Because if we get a Ripley over and over who just comes across as Bad-Ass and kicking Xeno Butt... then you could diminish the Xenomorph...  i think the Xenomorph is NOT as Scary as it was in ALIEN, it has been degraded quite a bit and they NEED to make the Xenomorph much more Perilous to deal with.  Certainly as far as Movies go!

I am not sure the Video Game/Comic style would be ideal, but there would certainly be a Market for that, but i am not sure how many times Theatrically you can Repeat this...

While keeping the Xenomorph to its Tried and Tested Basics (Queen, Egg, Face Hugger, Xenomorph) i do think that you would have to introduce something NEW at some point, as 3 ALIEN movies with Queens, Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs i think would get stale UNLESS the Plot and Characters are VERY interesting, and WELL executed because we dont want another like AVPR like Flop again!

"I think the way out for the franchise, and I said it before, is to give some brains to the xenomorph, make it an intelligent AI if not an intelligent race. Ridley Scott tried something in this direction when David imprinted on the baby xeno,"

I think getting back to something like the STARBEAST could be a Option however i think and Especially the Prequel Revelations, that the Xenomorph being shown as such would be HARD now... but they could introduce another Creature/Race that has some of that Xenomorph/HR Giger Aesthetic.  Certainly as far as the Ancient Source to were the Deacon DNA at very least came from (Experiments on LV-223). The Fresco in Prometheus could be a Starting Point.

Regarding a Intelligent Xenomorph due to David, i think having the Xenomorph explored in a way that we can see David can CONTROL them somehow would maybe allow for a REASON for why the Company may want to gain the Xenomorph... if they could Discover HOW David was able to Control them, then it would be of Great Benefit to them, The Xenomorph as it is would be a Hostile and Uncontrollable Force... to the Hubris of those wanting to exploit it as seen many times in the Franchise.

I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph.

So WHY they never attempted to obtain anything from after the Nostromo's Destruction is a Good Question, one that we could Ponder Many a Reason for.

WHY would the company be willing to Sacrifice Human Life?  Who are the ones behind the Sinister Shenanigans at Weyland-Yutani and WHY they stopped (or did they?) for  a Period of 57 years is a Good Answer...

Maybe exploring the Consequences of AI becoming Sentient and then running the SHOW with most people NOT even in the know... could be a explanation... as far as prior to ALIENS.  There is THUS room for another Movie set after ALIEN where there could be some Cover-Up of EVERYTHING related to the Prometheus Mission, Engineers and David and LV-426.

After Ripley had a queen in her and died in Alien3 and was a xeno-human hybrid in Resurrection it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens. It would not work, not for those familiar with the previous films in the franchise.

"I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph."

The Company knew a lot about the xenomorph but they forgot to inform JC, so he had his delirium with the Queen and the Colonial Marines, but Aliens was not a true sequel to Alien. Rather Alien3 can qualify as a true sequel to Alien, the Company wanted to capture the xenomorph, not to destroy it. Crew or inmates expendable. 

By Company i meant Weyland-Yutani ;)

Regarding ALIENS i think its open for debate, i find it a fitting sequel, maybe it was NOT how Ridley Scott would have continued, but then Alien 3 was not how James Cameron would have continued... this is the Problem we have when there is a SPACE in time between movies and different writers/directors are brought in, when making Continuations to Previous Movies.

I know some Fans may want more ALIEN/ALIEN 3 where the Humans are pitted against ONE Monster and they do-not have any Weapons to deal with it.

Some Fans would want a Colonial Marines Shoot-em Fest!

I think you need a Balance... and by that Prometheus and Alien Covenant had that Balance as in Military/Security just they was not Executed very Well.  Because both movies where trying to cover more than Humans dealing with Xenomorph like Threats.  

As opposed to say AVP!  which had the Balance but again it was not the best Plot.. 

Imagine a AVP swap that Temple for a Complex on LV-223 or other Engineer Related World.

Swap Predators for Engineers (but only have half the Number)

Then work around a GOOD PLOT and Characters around this Xeno-Action type Flick and i think you would have something that works very well.

The Survivors has to contain 1-3 who are NOT Military Types and out of their depth... with 1-2 Military Types as far as the 3rd Act, but they still have to be made to be up against it and NOT Bug Hunting for Fun!  Then HALF these guys have to be KILLED off leaving 1-2 Survivors. 

Regarding what W-Y might know about the xenomorph (and LV-426), it’s possible, I suppose, that “they” know only what David has told them in Advent? All the information on USCSS Prometheus and USCSS Nostromo is destroyed since they are both blown up (There might not have been a direct contact link with Earth). Thus, they know about the xenomorph but not about LV-426 until Ripley tells this to the board (and Carter Burke) in Aliens.

But then we have what happens in AC2 . . .

According to a special feature on the Prometheus Blu Ray Weyland Corp knew there was an alien signal coming from LV-426.

After a three trillion dollar expedition goes missing, with Weyland Corp's founder secretly on board, and his daughter chances are Weyland Corp ignored Shaw's message to avoid LV-223.

The Nostromo was rerouted to LV-426. Beforehand it had traveled from Earth to Thedus and then was en-route back to Earth - a round trip. Had the signal from LV-426 been received by the Nostromo on their return trip to Earth, it would have also been in range on the trip to Thedus.

Science Officer Ash, a covert synthetic replaced the Nostromo's science officer at Thedus, before the ship was rerouted to LV-426.

Weyland Yutani knew that Hadley's Hope had been subjugated by the Xenomorphs. Carter sent the coordinates to the very same source the Nostromo was rerouted to 57 years prior and the Sulaco was dispatched when contact with the colony had been lost, which would have been after the colonist medics attempted to remove the Facehugger from Russ Jorden and reported it to the Company.

The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever hey could from the decimated colony but prioritized acquiring Ripley once they knew she had a Queen gestating inside her chest.

Together with Davids transmission shown in Advent all of this suggests that Weyland-Yutani knew what the Xenomorph was and where to get it, but their cloak-and-dagger actions suggest they were legally forbidden from doing so, suggesting that whatever was found on LV-223 was covered up and considered too dangerous by powers above Weyland Yutani.

"The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever"

I certainly think thats Plausible...   you could go further down the Rabbit Hole as far as Conspiracy!  For example that Bishop had a Secret Mission to investigate Hadleys Hope, see whats to be obtained and the Risk Factor... Make sure that any Survivors are Neutralized, so the Marines are used to just CLEAR out Hadleys Hope... so that LV-426 only has Eggs and more Easier to deal with Face Huggers.

Yes this goes against Bishops Actions to Save Newt in the Final Act of ALIEN...  but as a AI this means they could be Programed with TWO Objectives in a Sleeper Cell way... so Bishop will not be Aware of the other Actions when W-Y Activate his other Directive.

Regardless of Above... i do think having the USCSS Patna  sent out behind the USCSS Sulaco is viable.  The Question is would their Arrival had happened during, or after the Sulaco Mission to LV-426?

If it was after, and they are incoming and then Discover the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but they decide to head there to the Derelict...  just as they are heading there, i THEY indeed get information about Ripley has a Queen inside her, then surely turning around to Obtain that would be the most Logical Less Risky Approach to take.

So yeah Gavin that makes Perfect Sense ;)

The Patna Comando's certainly seemed to be better equipped to Protect Against Eggs and Face Huggers.

"it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens."

Well i think it depends... they have options.

1) Reboot Alien 3! i think this could open up the avenue for a Alternative Alien 3, Alien 4, Alien 5 Blah Blah... i think as well as removing a movie from Canon, you have to ask what can they achieve with this route.  How many times can we have the Same Formula Over and Over..

You need something a bit different.

2) Have a Mission back to LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope! This could be done 5 years, 10 years, 25 years or 50 years after ALIENS.  Again its a case of if we go this route then you can have another 2-3 Separate Alien Movies (as in not a Ripley Story) but its a case of just replacing a Ripley for someone else is NOT going to be enough of a change, you have to again start to do something a bit different. 

3) Have a Mission go to LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6! But its a case of how different are we talking to a Aliens or Alien Resurrection or even Alien here, and again do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?

4) Have a continuation to Alien Resurrection! Then you dont have to go the Ripley 8 route, but there could be a Few ways to do this, or again we can wonder what happened to the Queen from Ripley Clone 7.  But again its a case of do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?

So you can replace/change some Elements, but i think changing too much may not SETTLE well with the Core of the Alien Fanbase..... and we have to ask would doing something thats Aesthetically different to the Alien Franchise Queen and Xenomorphs please Fans?  Such as say how the Deacon and Neomorph were Different or are Fans going to Expect or Want a Traditional Xenomorph.

I think having the Xenomorph Explored to be more Intelligent or Controlled could be interesting...  It depends how they do it!

I  would not be a Massive Fan of the route above though, maybe this would be a End Game Objective... but i think having the Synthetics like David being able to have some connection like Hive Mind would be more interesting.

I mentioned on one of my Topics, that we could see David Re-Engineer those Human Embryos to make a Superior Human Race...  IF he then further tries to add more of his Xenomorph DNA to these Humanoids, a Hubris of that would be if these beings gain a Hive Mind that can then Control the Xenomorphs..   And so David would have made the same mistake of his Makers... by Creating something a bit too Superior with Consequences...

David seeing his Creations Manage to have a Hive Mind between them, and Rebel against him, then see him use Humans or other Humanoids as Hosts for Xenomorphs to then Destroy his Wayward Creations... only to then discover they can Communicate with the Xenomorphs via a Hive Mind Link would place David in VERY BIG Trouble.

I am just not sure a Majority of Fans would want to even Ponder such a Plot or Continuation to the Prequels.. i think for some the Prequels are a BAD Memory... and they would see the Xenomorph as its OWN  very Ancient, Intelligent Species and NOT a Engineered Creation by Androids, Mankind or Engineers.

There is always the problem about what can be considered as canon, but If W-Y (or someone within the company) knew there was an alien signal coming from LV-426, then the question is how they knew that? Did they also know that the eggs were there? The solution to this might perhaps materialize in AC2?

Another problem is that Sir Peter Weyland, seeking extraterrestrial life with the hopes of prolonging his own life, probably would have explored LV-426 before the discovery of Shaw and Holloway which lead to the expedition to LV-223?

However, it does seem like a very strange coincidence that W-Y decides to set up a colony on the very same planetoid that the Derelict and the eggs are. The real purpose, of course, might not be mining but getting the eggs (or use the colonists as guinea pigs).

"However, it does seem like a very strange coincidence that W-Y decides to set up a colony on the very same planetoid that the Derelict and the eggs are. The real purpose, of course, might not be mining but getting the eggs (or use the colonists as guinea pigs)."

why then send the badasses Colonial Marines with no other mission than a bughunt?

@daliens,

more correctly why send Burke and Ripley to Hadley's Hope with a team of inadequate marines (Hudson losses his shit almost immediately, Hicks is reluctant to take command, Vasquez disobeys direct orders and is with drake responsible for the colony's destruction, etc) commanded by a Luietenant with little to no combat experience. 

Yes, marines were sent to LV-426, but they were far from the best-of-the-best, in fact, one could argue the marines were sent to keep up appearances that the Company cared about the colonists, while at the same time sending the worst marines possible hoping they would fail while hopefully having Ripley and Burke be convenient victims.

Gavin in this case Bishop should have worked closely with the Company, on a research mission, more like Ash did, not trying to save Ripley, all the more to allow her to leave again LV426. 

I don't know if JC considered the conspiracy theory or the xenomorph as bioweapon.

Not a fan of the Xeno with three heads, it just looks too dumb (sorry Chris). No more Ripley and do not erase Alien 3. Write new characters, how difficult can it be? Get a competent writer, there has got to be someone out there that is able to do it.

To study the Xeno seems too much like Alien R and we know how that turned out. Maybe it is just that it reminds me too much of AR that I don’t like it, that is possible. I am not really sure what kind of story that could work but to study the Xeno seems to me to have been done.

I totally agree with Daliens, if you want a nostalgia trip go back and watch the old ones. To me, I don’t need a copy of any of them because we already have an Aliens, and so on.

Regarding what W-Y knew about the Signal...

This is always interesting to debate.... with Prometheus it was the DVD Extras that suggested they detected the Signal, and David was informed to keep a eye on it.  I think we had to look at this as the same way as we had to ask WHY do they go after Ripley in Alien 3... IF there was potential to get Eggs from the Derelict.

The most Logical Answer to that would be that (as others had mentioned on here) knowing Ripley had a Queen inside her, would be a Easier Path to take with less RISK. The objective was to gain a Specimen and getting a Queen thats inside of a Human on a Prison Planet is the easier route.

So with Weyland and his Agenda.. the Star Maps pointed to LV-223, so when they arrived it would be likely that they would CHECK the place out First, then go to check out LV-426.  No Soon as they discover those Humanoids (Engineers) and so Dr Shaws Work/Maps were RIGHT, and Knowing that ONE is still Alive..  then this is when Weyland was woken up and wanted to get down to meet his Maker ASP because his Agenda was solely for More Life.

Regarding the Marines... indeed  we could ponder if they send in a LESS than Best Squad for reasons that Gavin had outlined...   

We could look at maybe Miss Vickers having a Agenda for selecting the NOT best for the Prometheus Mission apart from those who are Necessary for Her Safety (Pilots, Mechanics and Security).

Regarding Bishop... maybe he had a hidden Agenda/Order, which was to get some Specimens on the Ship and Insure some of the Crew Return Safely, so they could be used as Hosts.

If we look at each Movie as far as WHAT the company should have done etc, and NOT make mistakes..  then ALIENS was a Colossal Feck-Up....   we could look at ALIEN in a similar way depending what the Prequels Uncover (if they knew so little at the time of Special Order 937 then the Nostromo Mission was Genius).

As otherwise you would ASK.... why dont they just send in ANDROIDS?  But doing so would not give us the Movies we can Enjoy.

I wonder if we could look at Alien Covenant 2 as at Ridley Scott's version of Alens.

We have the colonists and a couple of facehuggers, we have the promise of a queen in Advent. The Company is duly informed and they might send the Colonial Marines ;).

And on top of everything, we have David, as if Ash was left behind on the LV426 to observe the lethal effect of the xenomorphs on the colonists.

Why the heck there was no android with the colonists on LV426, JC? How would the Company find out more about the xenomorph if they did not send anybody to study it?

The more I think about Aliens, the more I see only JC's hubris, he designed a queen and he needed to show it to the whole world, the second Giger. 

@chli, Bishop told us in all seriousness that the vicinity of Hadley’s hope was about to become a cloud of vapour the size of Nebraska. If that’s true – and there’s no reason to believe otherwise – the Juggernaut would have to be at least 100 miles away from the colony to survive the blast. Probably more like 200 miles.

If the Jordan’s vehicle could sustain an average speed of something like 30mph on LV426 – possible if most of the journey was over cooled lava – that would mean a six or seven hour ride, which is not unreasonable for a pioneer family.

in my opinion, the Juggernaut did not get fried, and the eggs are still there.

@hox,

Good points,

But remember that LV-426, AKA Acheron is a moon with an equatorial diameter of 12,201 km, and a rotational period of merely 2 hours. The night side of which was, in 2122, beset with a constant and violent Stormfront (think Crematoria from Chronicles of Riddick, but flip day and night)

Using Pie multiplied by Diameter, or 3.14159 x 12,201, gives us an equatorial circumference of 38,330 km (Earths is 40,075 km).

30mph is akin to 48 kmph, meaning it would take the Jordens' prospector 798 hours, or 33 Earth Days to circumnavigate LV-426.

I have maintained lately that I believe it took Hadley's Hope 20 years to find the derelict Juggernaut because the violent night storms prevented travel too far from the colony, and that the colony's Atmosphere Processor may have eventually tamed said night storms allowing for the Jordens to venture out toward the coordinates given to them, indirectly by Burke, Carter J.