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Well I love all Tyrannosauroids and I love all dinosaurs
As far as Tyrannosaurids, its probably Tarbosaurus or Albertosaurus, after them Lythronax, Nanuqtyrannus, Zhuchengtyrannus, Daspletosaurus, and Teratophoneus (no particular order). As far as TyrannosaurOIDS, it gets a bit tough lol
Very much agreed, I’d nonetheless tremble in excitement if I saw one in real life. My favorite tyrannosaur has always been Daspletosaurus, even since I was a kid.
Yeah, I think it's a bit over-loved too, and not the most interesting Tyrannosaur in my opinion. Still a cool creature, as any creature is, and is still pretty awesome.
I didn’t per say HATE it, I’ve just always had the opinion that it’s overly portrayed and that it’s unfair to continually shed light over it on account of new information found everyday on new and less understood dinosaurs. However, yes, I did have a bias against it in that respect XD.
I remember you, your that guy that hated Tyrannosaurus rex and wanted to give its name to Spinosaurus aegyptiacus.
You’re welcome, Broski! Btw, are you guys also experiencing a problem when trying to go from page to page on topics with more than one page of replies?
I also have the same problem with the multiple pages of topics and I have to always work my way backwards from the last page. Topics with more than 4 pages of replies I can’t even go through all the replies.
I don’t believe we have before either, like I said, I haven’t been around much at all for 5 years or so lol. However, I’m pleased to meet you as well!
Hello, S-Rex. Nice to meet you. I can't recall if we've met before, though.
Hahahaha, that last url you listed was my very first post on Scified. Like DAAAAAAMN I was a loose cannon lolololol. It’s hard to even fathom that at that time, there wasn’t any talk of a new installment for JP and it was still referred to as Jurassic Park 4.
https://www.scified.com/topic/37161
https://www.scified.com/topic/25643
https://www.scified.com/topic/32431
https://www.scified.com/topic/667
and https://www.scified.com/topic/1175
Did I read through those and not realize those were what I was looking for?
The thread is called “Top 10 Largest Theropods - Update” by Gigadino with 237 replies and it’s on page 23.
I honestly can’t tell you, it sounds like it could be but I’m not certain. Give me a couple minutes and I’ll tell you exactly which one.
Are you talking about the Carcharodontosaurus V.S. Tyrannosaurus one? Was that the event I was looking for and I didn't realize it?
I just found the event about a couple hours ago lol. Unfortunately, I forget the name and page, BUT I know it’s between page 35-38.
You’ll know it when you see it, it’s the one with over 200 replies. Also, if you see the reply count above like 30 on any discussion before 2015, you’ll know shit went down lol.
I know how to read through that, I kinda spent two months reading through it to find the event with no such luck. A search function would be really helpful.
Pleased to meet you as well!
The best way to do it is to go directly to the last page on the 67 or so page directory tabs.
To get to all that jazz, you need to go to that tab at the top of the screen that has the 3x3 squares next to the home tab, then tap on forums. After that, scroll down till you find the Jurassic Park/World forums and tap dinosaur discussions and you’re there.
Thank you for the welcome back and I’m pleased to meet you!
Yeah, I imagine its like cringing at a past memory at night except you have an entire archive of it? XD
Yeah, I spent a couple months reading through the archives trying to find some certain events, but I never was able to find them.
Anyways, glad to have you back!
I did make quite a name for myself back then, I imagine that’s how you already know me lol. I’ve recently went through the archives and read some of the discussions I had made/ commented on and I must say, in many cases I am utterly mortified lmao
Regarding the Hammerpede and Black Goo, we have to Remember this is something that has Evolved, Changed and Depending on what we look at at and what Source then we could be drawn to different Conclusions...
So some Ambiguity is there if you Watch the Movie alone... the Goo reacted in Various ways with No real Explanation (Spoon Fed on Screen), had they USED some of the Alternative Fifield Concepts then you would be drawn to something a little Different.
The Bottom Line is these are all to show what the Black Goo can do, they was (changed a bit with Fifield) to show us the Experiments and Pathogen on LV-223 has a connection to the Xenomorph on LV-426. The whole Hammepede Scene is a bit open to Interpretation it really comes down to the Instinct of the Pathogen, and what it seemed to show in General is that what it Infects and Mutates/Evolves (Creates) becomes a HIGHLY Aggressive and a KILLING Machine.
What Michelle has attempted (forgive me if Incorrect) is to give some Deeper Purpose with the Pathogen/Monsters, other than to have be a Case of just a KILLING Machine, or Merely that is only Instinct is Survival and Procreation.
I never read too much into Milburn/Fifields Psyche in regards to that Scene, i looked at it more about HUBRIS... Milburn may be Interested in his Biology and Excited about New Species.... he allowed this Excitement to override his Common Sense (but this was a PLOT Device/Convenience to allow for the Attack Scene) and so its a case of this DEADLY CRAP (Pathogen) does-not make Lovable Pokemen out of Infected Organisms.. a Infected Bunny Rabbit is not going to be something you want to PET ;)
I think its fine for People to want to add more depth to WHY these things are so Aggressive than just acting on Instinct..... and so in Regards to the OT... well more so the idea of Michelle's then having these Reactions be something thats Pre-Programed is very VALID especially if those who Created this INTEND it to KILL/DESTROY or if this is a Programed Safety Defense Mechanism to Eradicate those (Unintended, Meddling) who come into Contact with this stuff when they SHOULD-NOT as its NOT intended for them..
Forgive me for this Analogy if it makes little Sense or Relevance... if i could go for like a Comic Book like Story of a RACE who Create some Serum that would when Ingested Evolve them into Supermen of Sorts.... then as a Protection Defense you would Program this stuff so that it ONLY Effects your Species Genome/DNA with this GIFT... and any None-Matching Genome would instead suffer another Horrific Result.... be that Death, or some kind of Ebola like Outbreak or be Turned instead to Zombies and Pass on this Curse onto others via Attacking/Biting then Spreading this Curse....
In that Analogy such a Safety Measure would Insure other Species can-not Benefit from your Created Super Drug/Serum, and also so they Can-Not Study or Re-Engineer it (as its gets out of control quick) to then reap the Benefits that it would give to its Intended Creators.
But in Closing.... its Fine to look at the Hammerpeed as Intentionally Raping Milburn as it had been implied before that this is what the Face Hugger does by people who worked on ALIEN.... at that time we could Speculate this was Purely a Part of the Organisms Life-Cycle, it had to Rape its Host because this is HOW it would Procreate, and as this is a KIND of Procreation where the MOTHER of the Child to be Born (Chest Buster) has NOT given Consent to Birth and become Pregnant if you would.. with this MONSTER, then indeed this amounts to RAPE.
(In my Rework of Prometheus, i had Milburn have a Chest Buster, and showed a Killed Hammerpede had Tiny Eggs inside, to show more a Connection to the Xenomorph/Procreation Purpose also to tease said FATE to those Chest Busted Cryo Engineers).
I think its Perfectly Fine to however imply/explore that its NOT a Natural Procreative/Survival Instinct but its part of the Organisms Psyche because it Inherited it from the Basic Instinctual Psyche of the Host...
"Again things in a movie need not be perfect in regards to logic"
I think Ignorant Guy this with some of what Michelle had Mentioned in her Posts are the THINGS we have to Consider the Most.... that is just as i think you have Stated a Number of Times...
It really is about the STORY and PLOT which is Driven by the Characters and so Tiny Flaws, are what we should Overlook and NOT really be Dragged into every detail, because all that Matters is the Story Arc.... and so somethings are not explained or detailed, i am NOT sure those working on the Project even give some things any LEVEL of Detail and Thought.....
We can Speculate on the Organism, the Goo, and our Speculations and Debates could go into Detail Beyond what those working on the Movie had ever thought... and our Work/Speculation can always proved to be MOOT by Virtue of the Next Movie where those working on the Project can FREELY changed Details to SUIT their Story/Plot..... for Convenience
So your point Ignorant Guy is RIGHT on the Money ;)
I think at LEAST any Future Movie could become LESS Inconsistent, because while Working on ALIEN COVENANT they had came up with a ALIEN Rule-book... and so we can only Assume that means they Finally have how A-Z connects in terms of the Pathogen, Xenomorph and other Related Organisms/Results...
But ALAS..... with Disney in Charge then if we get any Continuation or a Future Movie, then who is to say they would STICK to what ever that ALIEN Rule Book had in it...
I think Gavin you make a Good Point there is always quite a lot about the Franchise regarding every Detail that has NOT been Covered or Expanded, or covered only in Novels and these Novels could be De-Canonized by Virtue of Future Revelations within Future Movies.
So there is always Room for Speculation because things can CHANGE, i am not sure the Space Jockey was the Right point though as Ridley Scott had suggested it was a Space Suit in the Mid 90's but a better Point in relation to your point is that as of even 2013 the Xenomorph was something that Existed and Created by the Engineers prior to the Prometheus Time-Line of 2093+, even as far as to Suggest the Derelict would have been on LV-426 for about 2000 Years (Give or Take a Few Hundred).....
HOWEVER... roll on to 2017 or the Year 2104 in the Alien Time-Line and they have CHANGED their Minds as far as those Eggs and their Origins and WHEN they was Created.... THIS is NOT to debate about such things, but in CONTEXT to your Point Gavin its to show that NOTHING can be Ruled Out and what is SET in STONE can be Changed.....
With Ridley Scott's Interest in the A.I then i feel a Revelation that the A.I is being Ran/Controlled by one of its OWN, is a PLOT that i do feel RS would have expanded on.
I think there is a Good Point Raised about MUTHUR in that WHY did she not just Disable Life Support..... so thats Conspiracy Over... However we have to look at Special Order 937, where we then have to ASK and regardless who Issued this Order, what we have to ask is WOULD that Order Take Priority for MUTHUR?
It did for ASH and we can Assume that MUTHUR would accept Orders at a Higher Level, than any Commands by the Ships Chain of Command. And so the CREW are EXPENDABLE
Which you could Argue then as to WHY she did not just GET-RID of the Crew?
Some Good Points on here about ASH/MUTHUR looking at the Potential of the Xenomorph and to Study the Organism at First Hand.... and so KILLING the Crew Via Life-Support would maybe ROB them of Information they could gain from watching the Organism doing what it does.
In ALIEN-COVENANT we see that David was watching and studying how the Xenomorph reacted on the Covenant, he could have SURELY got MUTHUR to Turn Off Life-Support apart from the Cryo-Sleep Capsules...
And so he was Studying how the Crew would Deal with the Organism, and he had to HELP so that he could Remain Hidden as Walter.... knowing also that he has Two Face Hugger Embryo's inside of him.
We could Speculate that IF the Xenomorph had not made it to the Narcissus Escape Shuttle then would MUTHUR had disabled the Self-Destruction?
If she (MUTHUR) was aware the Organism had reached the Shuttle then for her the Mission is Complete and Destruction of the Nostromo would be a HANDY way to Clean-Up what had gone down..
So its Interesting to ASK exactly HOW did the Xenomorph get Access to the SHUTTLE and could MUTHUR have helped?
Humanity is at a dead end.
MUTHUR + Synthetics + xenomorph = Supreme being. The perfect organism.
The instantaneous messages after the scan above were a nice touch and a small view into how the "network" (COMNET) operates, below.
The CCTV images on the Alien 3 Blue-Ray may show that COMNET was aware of everything on Fury 161 and prepping Michael Bishop's team.
The synthetic white noise in the communications, encrypted for a few "select" in the company may show some human direction in the overall strategy to acquire the organism.
Centuries Later
"Andrea Rollins didn’t care in the least about white noise or interference. She did, however, pay a great deal of attention to the signal embedded inside of that synthetic static.”
Year 2497, Alien: Sea of Sorrows, page 160-161.
Who knows though?
I thought it was strange in the novel that it took until the year 2497 to get "organically grown synthetic life" samples. MURTHUR could be sandbagging humans.
MURTHUR could certainly be using humans to acquire/cultivate Xenomorphs in different settings (trials) and selecting/editing what information can be viewed on a human level. David and Ash's actions tend towards this as well as the rerouting of the Nostromo.
"Going off of that and returning to Alien I say that it is not a film that gives respect to women. I think that Sigourney Weaver appears in it scantly clad and bra-less. Enough said."
"Enough said." Boom, the point was made so big that I soiled myself....3 syllables and I'm converted.
What a joke. So what? She picked up the cat but forgot her undies...the pouty reviews seem to reflect a complaint crafted before the film was seen...then fit it in a review.
I'm for keeping the nudity/sex angle out of Sci-Fi for the most part. Prometheus was the perfect example of how to include the concept but not introduce a "sex scene" when needing to show how someone was affected by the mutagen. I still like Supernova though because the characters were great and somewhat expected to behave that way on that type of ship.
"The Thing is one of the best movies ever made, easily Carpenter's best."
Agreed avensis.
Big Trouble in Little China is competing for one of the best movies ever made and is coincidentally by the same director.
"And Mother doesn't really do anything to ensure the Alien safely makes it back to Earth."
Does mother want humans having such a dangerous weapon? Why give her children 'guns'? They are but toddlers....they need her protection and guidance.
MUTHUR: "Destroying the Nostromo was a good thing....Saved countless lives...... And I will continue to be the last line of defense...the final quarantine."
I believe Alien: Prototype clearly explains that Xenomorph traits are inherited from the host chli. And, maybe, the best host for a Xenomorph is to use a host with a disease (Necromorph example).
The sins of the father (host) manifest, mutate, and explode in the son (Xenomorph).
"DAVID (CONT’D)
I thought you could talk to me. For a little while. About anything that pleases you really. I just want to hear a voice as a die. And if you could pretend... to be kind to me.
A BEAT as she resists."
David is pretty good with this pitiful angle used on Dr. Shaw ignorantGuy.
In Alan Dean Foster's Aliens novelization dk, Ripley had the same question you propose in the topic, below.
"But she couldn’t have been. If that had been Newt’s mother, the girl would have been beyond catatonia by now. Gone, withdrawn, and unreachable, perhaps forever."
Aliens novelization, page 171.
No, perception isn’t everything. Postmodernists are wrong. The statement “There is no truth” can’t be true, can it? There is a reality out there. But can we reach it (Kant)?
You also bring your mental state and memories with you wherever you go, don't you (Well, tick off your bucket list)? Actually, you ought to be ashamed. Also, I don't give you permission to use my quotes.
@chli
Perception is everything. if you think I am bitter I am bitter.
I hope you will be happy to know you could not be further from the truth. My irritation with contributions to this thread goes something like this.
I was very excited by your getting my work.
I was delighted that you wanted to highlight a particular proposition that my work offered.
I was completely underwhelmed by the responses you got.
When I responded calling out the poor quality of responses one of the underwhelming posters started seeing me as the problem and subsequently began artificially deconstructing one of my posts.
I saw straight through that.
Have a great evening I completed the big five hike on the Drakensburg here in Kwa Zulu Natal yesterday a dream of 2 years in the making. I am climbing into the Tugela Gorge tomorrow and I adore my location.
As always with these things, you should see these posts before I tone it down. ha ha.
All the very best
Michelle
The point of any 'what if' scenario is to discuss and explore other perspectives. In doing so it encourages those discussing to open their own perspective to those beyond their own, which in turn deepens not only the discussion but one's understanding of what is being discussed, and more importantly, it's fun!
Many thanks for your contribution.
To show that you reflect my view and what was behind my original post. Spelling it out as it were.
1) The Hammerpedes from worms tells us a great deal about what the Mutagen of Prometheus adds to its target. We will in short order see it repeated in Fifield. Compare the behaviour of the Hammerpede, Fifield and Elizabeth's child which immediately wants to destroy its mother. There isn't a cigarette paper between them. Milburn is gay propositions Fifield and his promiscuity is rewarded by oral rape. You get what you ask for is all over P.
2) The material in the Urns of Covenant is a pathogen to kill off the entire population of the city. Pathogens lead to disease and death.
3) Leaving aside the logic that the spores would emerge from such pathogenic beginnings their intervention in Act 1 leads to a creature which had been revived after being rejected for P1 and had been slated for various iterations of P2 post-Lindelof. So the creature was slated for Act 1 years before the story used was conceived. It's quite entertaining but in the context of "the mad as a box of frogs, David makes the Xenomorph" perplexing. In storytelling terms, the pathogen creates the neomorph randomly and after years of painstaking research and god knows what David comes up with the creature where is the symmetry, couldn't David do so much better than the random neo? Even more bizarre David and Neo are cool with each other and then we were to have a projected fight between said monsters. How on earth has this any of the grand sweeping monster logic of A and P movies? It hasn't it's monster beats threaded together getting in each others way. As stupid as the final part of Act 1 is all the hysteria from the pilot and your point, it completely undermines the tired 3rd act mashing up Sigourney with poor Katherine.
To my original point, that's what you get when you make a movie with no underlying thematic or philosophical value. It's a camel designed by a committee that thought fans wanted the monster back. I loved it when Michael said well we at least managed to keep the creation story in with David making the monster. The emphasis in that statement is definitely 'at least.'
What interests me is why you are so bitter, Michelle? Don’t patronize. Be kind and generous. Share your knowledge (in a humble way). That’s what saved David in your story . . .
@chli
Another good post.
What I find profoundly fascinating is how we all receive the same information slightly differently, which is as you would expect, and then randomly make the same connection.
Here is a small but gratifying example.
There is a seven-year-old thread which deals with "Kane's son" and one contributor makes the point when they are discussing Ash's reaction that the creature is only doing what it is supposed to do. In other words that complete stranger is implying the creature's behaviour is a day at the office which is my view.
The thread also deals with the issue of how come an objective unemotional robot is taking a determinedly emotional view of the creature and more to the point knows something about it. The suggestion is in March 2012 that David may begin to deal with this question.
You can imagine me shouting bingo at these entirely random and disconnected (from me) statements.
The creatures job description is simple to destroy any members of the host species for intervening.
David led on the makeshift theatre table has a conversation with Elizabeth which takes us down the road which will finally answer the issue of how an objective robot can behave when not subject to the defined narrative of its creator.
So your remark about "Kane's son" or is that "and some" can oddly lead us to the more general Bladerunner narrative of mankind's sub-creation not staying on message.
The poetic context of this argument is that for David Elizabeth represents Paradise (freedom to consent) and Sir Peter Paradise Lost (coercion).
In my story, Kane is the first one to intervene which is interesting given my speculation as to the occupant of the chair and why he was the sole character on board.
"I speculated he refracted and echoed the bible story of Cain where the Lord did not respect Cain’s sacrifices but his brother Abel, who went on to become the first acolyte. Cain may represent the beginning of the Fall."
As to another question which came up in the thread in 2012 how come Ash knows so much. As David says to Elizabeth in Chapter 5 Muther is essentially a proxy for Sir Peter so any message you send to earth is to "him". It may be in Indo European but muther can translate and what she doesn't know and never will that she is being deceived and being diverted from the real prize. So Muther and the hyperdynes are being fed a line.
In closing just as you need to understand what evil is in order to understand why it exists the greatest challenge is to explain for one side of the brain enough so one does not become agitated through lack of understanding but balance that with the poetic element so that we become excited and moved.
hox Why are you so high and mighty? Your arguments are not airtight.
First off all, Millburn was trying to show off to the cool Fifield (inhaling MJ in the helmet) to land a screw when he tries to touch the Hammerpede, which then penetrates (rape) him instead. The monster is not a reptile by any means imaginable. It does not have a skeleton, a head, or even a skeleton. It regenerates because worms regenerate, and has acid as some body fluid to tie it to the Dragon.
The whole pathogen-mutagen is iffy. In Prometheus, nobody dies because of direct contact (which would indicate it is a mutagen, with a long period to finish its work, Fifield being in a pool of it for who knows how much) yet in AC it is insta-death to FAUNA (which a patogen). David himself says as much in AC. The pods themselves look more like fungi (we can say this because that took their time to say that), which are not part of FLORA. And why do even claim that they were mutated? Maybe the are plain old mushrooms which absorbed the goop that water brought.
The neomorph is just a waste of time. It's design was a Prometheus reject and the way it reproduce it's just a rehash of Gibson's idea for his Alien 3 script. The only thing new with it is it's agility. But that a growing creature (with its skull not fully formed) of 3-4 pounds could break a spaceship-grade with with headbutts is ridiculous.
Again things in a movie need not be perfect in regards to logic, but that does mean that if it make sense for you in your head they are airtight. And if you start insulting people why are you surprised that they don't respond with compliments?
@Michelle, oh dear, more rambling from you I’m afraid. Since you don’t appear to be able to respond in a coherent manner to arguments presented to you, other than resort to verbal abuse, we should perhaps discontinue this conversation.
You are right, however, in saying that BD is a nice guy. He’s far too polite with you in my opinion. He is courteous and generous whereas you come over as opinionated and aggressive, unfortunately. BD will always respond to any question put to him. You will not.
