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(The crew arrives at the security check point)
Soldier- No projectile weaponry is allowed on board the vessel, Sir.
To all- keen observations. I watched A3 quite a bit and that Bishop scene never dawned on me- I saw him bleed so took it that he was human. Another basic observation is if he was human and made Bishop, I would imagine him appearing older. I will have to pop in the Assembly Cut very soon.
The Alien movies are set apart for me because of the obvious reasons we speak about here. Behind that, as far as a franchise, now Blade Runner offers history worth looking at (my opinion).
There isn't another franchise that comes close to Alien ninXeno426.
I loved the Michael Keaton and Christian Bale Batman movies as well as all the Terminator films. Super hero movies are something I'll get around to watching if I'm bored from watching The Thing (both 1982 and 2011) over and over.
The only franchise that could come close to Alien would be a franchise for Big Trouble in Little China. If they started that up, it would cut into my Alien topic production.
I had to pick up my Alien 3 novelization too IRaptus. Thank you for the piece above. I always thought that was the real human Michael Bishop who was speaking to Ellen Ripley. I still do.
The Bishop II reference that continues is from Ripley's perspective. She calls him that (Bishop II) believing that he is another android and not the human Michael Bishop.
"Bishop II she told herself. Bishop Redux."
Alien 3 novelization, page 244.
I believe the reference you have above to Bishop II is what they were calling Michael Bishop before he was hit and bled red blood.
Until then, Ellen Ripley (who coined Bishop II in her head) was referring to him this way until Michael Bishop was attacked and confirmed human with the injury.
Also, we spoke about the "Company Man" above that asked for Ripley. In the novelization, page 244, he is referred to as part of a pair of "biomedical technicians" and it mentions the outfits they are wearing.
I do not love alien resurrection but i find it enjoyable. all the otthers I love.
Alien.
dark night trilogy.
planet of the apes.
mad max.
starwars comes close but There is always jar jar and the "i dont like sand line"
star trek comes close also but star trek 5 was awful.
terminator hasn't had a desent movie sinse t-2.
lord of the rings would have made the list but then the 2 hobbit movies came out witch are some of the most bloated pieces of crap I have ever seen.
alien by far the best franchise. watch movie tackled a different theme.
alien took on sexual violation
aliens took on the vietnam war
alien 3 used nihalisim to great effect
alien ressurection didn't really have one solid theme but i felt that a large part of it was identity.
prometheous and covenant explored creation
even isolation witch to me is part of the franchise sinse it is cannon deals with what people will turn into to try to survive.
also writing some fan fic scripts. a sequel to aien 3, and an amanda ripley trilogy.
I love the realistic grit in the Alien franchise. I can really relate to the characters as your typical human. They don't have lightsabers or super powers or are really anybody important. They just average human beings trying to do the best they can in a world that the Xeno wants to control. The Alien franchise is real. Star Wars is a fantasy (yet, I do like them). I haven't watched much Star Trek, but I did when I was younger. Still, from what I remember, it's fantasy-like as well.
I honestly, when there was only Alien, Aliens, Alien3, and Alien Resurrection, I thought that the universe that those films take place in is our actually universe. They take place so far in the future that it is possible... that is, until Prometheus came out. We got that Peter Weyland TED talk and that just screwed up the timeline with the knowledge I have of the Alien Universe. The realism starts to disappear with that TED talk...sadly. Still, I do like to watch Alien movies like it's history, but it just hasn't happened yet.
So, again, what I love about the Alien franchise is the grit and humane character of majority of the characters. I also love the android AI's that look exactly like humans. What a great twist for Alien and Alien:Resurrection and even when it's not a twist for who's who, it's a twist over, "Can I trust this android." This answer I have come to from the Alien franchise is, "It just ain't worth trusting an android, unless you can always see what they are up too. Even then, it's not 100% safe.
I don't mind some superhero movies, like the new Batman's. They had some real grit to them. I love the new Batman. That's really the only new superhero movie I like. That doesn't mean others are bad. It just means that I haven't heard of any other superheros. Sometimes I'll watch a superhero movie just because and sometimes they can turn out to be alright. Ant Man was good. Iron Man was good. Still, I'm not obsessing over them like I am with the Alien franchise. Not even close!
I too enjoy a majority of super hero films that come out,but with the amount that come out every year it's starting to become over kill.As to where Alien comes out every other year or even decade for that matter.
(Johner than exits the cargo bay after Call broke the knife. Johner left with his ego hurt, but he still swaggered his self-imposed courage. I guess hitting a thin, pretty girl just wouldn't be right...even for Johner.)
Vriess states to Call in the safety of Johner not being around, "We really have to start associating with a better class of people. Vriess's mind starts to wonder on what that would mean and then he replies, "Get back in the grid, give me a sequence run." (Dilemma diverted.)
JOHNER
Don't push me, little Annalee. You hang with us a while, you'll learn
I'm not the man with whom to f##k.
'exactly what Spaiths said' - His script was rewritten, it is pointless to investigate every idea emerging before the creation of the final product since you'll find thousands of different and contradictory elements.
'That unused/cut makeup test of Holloway with the worms coming out of his face tells me that he was infected with hundreds of parasites.'
I think we say the same:
Unused: he was infected by hundreds of particles of goo causing the parasite infection, so you see hundreds of parasites...
Movie version: you see only one parasite...
BUT IT IS ALL THE SAME! ONE IS ENOUGH!
OR: ONE IN THE EYE, HUNDREDS IN THE BODY NOT SHOWN IN THE MOVIE! ALL THE SAME! THE RESULT IS A TRILOBITE!
One was passed to Shaw, that one started to get bigger and bigger and attacked the last Engineer to produce the Deacon.
I think it is possible and probable that Holloway would have given birth to another trilobite if he had not died in the flamethrower scene. :)
One more thing, please do not forget that the explanations of this article were not created by me, but they are from the site indicated. The source in question collects information from materials by Fox.
ADF's official novelisation of Alien 3 notes
As he is trying to convince Ripley to come with him, Bishop II claims Carter Burke was a rogue agent during the events of Aliens, and not a representative of the company’s interests. When Aaron hits Bishop II with a lead pipe, Foster describes the impact as “spongy.” “Real blood poured from Bishop II’s cracked skull.” Earlier drafts of the script also indicate that Bishop II is the human creator of the Bishop android. “No wires. No milk. Real blood.”
http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2014/07/15/15-things-didnt-know-alien-3-official-movie-novelization
Ill have to dig out my copy of the novelisation but it looks like he is referred to in the book as Bishop II as well. Still doesn't confirm he isn't an advanced model android though.
Michael Bishop designed the Artificial Person Executive Officer Bishop (Model 341-B). He was absolutely determined to capture a xenomorph and I believe anything that he created (3 lines of APs) would be loyal to Michael Bishop's interests.
I agree I Moon Girl. I believe Bishop (Artificial Person in Aliens) would act like all other Weyland androids and be loyal to Special Order 937.
Acquisition of a xenomorph was job one at Weyland-Yutani Corporation and Bishop may have been raised right and retained good manners when serving cornbread but why would he not be loyal to Special Order 937. And he sure wouldn't share this loyalty with the human crew.
Bishop placing an egg in the hypersleep area of the Sulaco seems to be the only feasible way it got there.
IRaptus - I know. :) Last year I had mentioned here that the two versions of Alien 3 introduce Bishop as two different characters... but some members did not like the piece of info. :D
I Moon Girl - This is the movie version, enjoy! :)
Who knows?
There are flashback scenes in Prometheus and in Covenant as well.
Hey everyone!
Thank you for all your support!
@TheXenoneoprotomorph thank u for bringing attention to that.
Can't wait for you guys to see the latest episode, Chris and I have been dying to get it to you all.
I will be dropping a short featurette on the making of Alien: Covenant The Unofficial Animated series tomorrow when Chris drops the premier... so keep ur eyes peeled! You heard it here first on scified.com
Does Stasis Interrupted explain how that egg got on the the Sulaco?
I read a theory by someone else on AvP Galaxy and their theory actually makes the most sense to me. The theory is that Bishop put the egg on the ship and there is a little proof of this in this when, in Alien3, Ripley plugs in Bishop and asks him questions. Bishop seems kind of dodgy with his answers and doesn't seem to want to answer them. The reason he doesn't is because he doesn't want Ripley to know that he put the egg on the Sulaco because he likes Ripley. Yet, Bishop is part of the WY company, so, like Ash, he listens to his boss. He has to because it's in his programming. He also asks to be terminated. He gave a reason, but maybe another reason is because Ripley might find out the truth of what Bishop may have done.
Ati it is a big mystery. I hadn't really thought about it until I Moon Girl pointed it out.
It is a clever story they have woven in between Aliens and Alien3 in Stasis Interrupted, I agree.
So all of this refers to backstory established in the upcoming Alien Covenant book prequel? This all seems very weird for me. What is the significance going to be in the film universe? Will Hideo Yutani be a player in any potential Covenant sequel?
@Ati - "'the primogenitor chest burster was conceived' - I do believe that this phrase is not used by him directly."
Listen to the commentary track. "the primogenitor chest burster was actually conceived by the love of a man and a woman" is exactly what Spaiths said. He actually said primogenitor first, then primogenital, which I thought was kind of funny.
"Kethol - We say the same. :)"
Well, no, not really. You think the eye worm parasite is the trolibite. I do not. When something is not clearly explained in the movie, I always look to the scripts, film maker comments, and cut scenes or concepts that were not used to determine the intent. That unused/cut makeup test of Holloway with the worms coming out of his face tells me that he was infected with hundreds of parasites.
"On the other hand, you mentioned that only the movie counts. And there is only one in the movie. :)"
No, not me. You may be thinking of something someone else said.
IRaptus - This is a mystery! :)
The story of the Stasis Interrupted DLC is awesome in my op. The story!!!
After discussing this with I Moon Girl does anyone actually know where and when the name Michael Weyland/Bishop become attached to this character.
In the film and script this character is credited as Bishop II, and is never actually introduced formally in the film.
BISHOP II
You know who I am.
RIPLEY
Yeah. A droid. Same model as
Bishop. Sent by the fucking Company.
BISHOP II
I'm not the Bishop android. I designed it. I'm the prototype.
I'm very human. I was sent here to show you a friendly face
and to demonstrate how important you are to us. To me.
Please come down.
But he is listed on the Alienverse wiki & fandom pages as Michael Weyland OR Michael Bishop.
http://alienanthology.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Weyland
http://alienfilmspedia.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Bishop
And in the recent video game Alien: Colonial Marine: Stasis Interrupted he is officially Michael Weyland. This game is considered Canon by FOX.
BUT Lance Henriksen himself believed his character was an advanced model of Bishop.
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/debate-bishop-ii-man-or-machine/
So somewhere between Alien 3 release in 1992 and Stasis interrupted in 2013 this character went from Bishop II to Michael Weyland / Michael Bishop???
Kethol - We say the same. :) --- 'you see an alien mutagen become a sexually transmitted disease' --- Exactly! Yesterday I nearly added that it behaves like an STD. :) It is passed, but it does not mean that the result is produced by sexual organs!
'the primogenitor chest burster was conceived' - I do believe that this phrase is not used by him directly. This expression is a brilliant example to the phenomenon I had mentioned previously: we tend to overexplain every word uttered by him/them. We see too much in these comments.
'She's pregnant.' - The same. :)
'the worm stuff was added later to make Holloway's infection different' - Why does it make different? It does not make it different. It fits the chart.
eye worm = small trilobite
Shaw's baby = middle-sized trilobite
monster raping the last Engineer = huge, adult trilobite
The trilobite is a parasite. It is in the group of the Hybridized creatures.
'There is a photo of a makeup test of a late stage Holloway with dozens of those small worms protruding from his face'
-- I know. But that is not a problem for me! The best wins! On the other hand, you mentioned that only the movie counts. And there is only one in the movie. :)
'intended to be parasites resulting from the pathogen infection'
Exactly! :) worm = a kind of parasite = trilobite (As I mentioned previously.) These are three different names used to describe the same creature. Three stages of its growth are revealed in Prometheus, and, beyond doubt, this fact can be confusing.
I just rewatched Alien3 and I came to the conclusion that it is not Michael Bishop in the movie, but another Bishop android. Look at the last picture you posted which shows a closeup of Bishops' face. Look at his left ear (on your right). It is really hanging off of his face. There are many other shots that show this too and some of them are more obvious than the one you posted. I came to the conclusion that it is actually another Bishop android because that Bishop shows no sign of pain even though his whole ear is literally hanging off of his face.
I spent $6 to stream A:C to my TV through my cable company. I wish ticket prices were $6.
The problem with today is that people can illegally stream movies off the internet without really trying at all. It's ridiculous how easy it is to stream movies! Plus now-a-days, people can stream movies to their TV so they don't have to watch a movie on a computer screen and instead can watch it on a big screen with surround sound.
I like it. Denis said it is the first of three short stories, so it sounds like they are doing the same kind of thing Ridley and Fox did with Prometheus and Covenant. It all adds to the richness of the movie story in the end.
At least I hope it will, in the case of BR 2049.
@Ati - "Ok! I see your point. This is my opinion: people, fans, etc over-explain the Holloway infection because of the sexual factor. I strongly believe that the fact that he had sex with Shaw is not so important."
Possibly, but the writers have implied it does have to do with sex. Damon Lindelof said this - "this is what happens when an android gets involved in ‘fertilizing’ something that was invented by The Engineers with a human host which then has sex with another human who gives birth to an offspring that recombines with The Engineer". "Let’s put mankind’s creators, mankind, and the beings mankind created all in the same room together, and have them screw and see what comes out." On the Blu Ray commentary John Spaith's said this right after Shaw and Holloway had sex - "It is interesting to see the alien franchises built in sexualization of menace play out in different fronts...that sexualization, the rape and pregnancy is what makes the monster so scary...you see an alien mutagen become a sexually transmitted disease...the primogenitor chest burster was conceived by the love of a man and a woman."
Ridley said on the Blu Ray commentary that "the union can only be from this - the embryo" - as Shaw and Holloway start to have sex. Later he says "She's pregnant".
"In the mirror scene we see the small trilobite in his eye, and I think that he would have given birth to the bigger trilobite if he had not passed it to Shaw. Do you remember the concept art showing the trilobite bursting out from Holloway?"
Yes, but that was from Spaiths version of the script. He said on the Blu Ray commentary that Holloway was implanted with an alien when he was face hugged in his version. That's what happens in the leaked draft of his script too. That white worm chest burster design evolved into what was used as the trilobite in Lindelofs rewrites, but the intent in Lindelof's rewrites was totally different than Spaiths.
Interestingly, in Lindelof's final draft, there is no eye worm or reference to worms inside Holloway at all. He just looks sick and has a fever. He starts to transform and enlarge just before he was killed, so I think the original idea was that he was mutating in the same manner as Fifield.
The shape change stuff was dropped and the worm stuff was added later to make Holloway's infection different. I don't think the eye worm was intended to be the trilobite Shaw gave birth to either. There is a photo of a makeup test of a late stage Holloway with dozens of those small worms protruding from his face, so I think they were just intended to be parasites resulting from the pathogen infection, but it is all purposely left ambiguous.
Vriess replies, "Call. Forget it. He's been sucking down too much homebrew."
for me the star wars franchise ends after the original trilogy. I don't like any of the episodes after 4,5 and 6 and haven't watched force awakens and have no interest whatso ever to watch any future SW films. give me the star trek franchise any day over star wars with the exception of the latest film which I thought stank. I love how even in the star trek series' such as next generation, voyager etc, the franchise didn't just stick to the same antagonist but it evolved every time.
but bad films in any franchise is common. where the alien franchise is concerned, I 'like' alien3 and AR but im intrigued to see an alternate film to 3. of all the individual films released in the franchises alien stands with the best of them and will stand with them no matter what is released in years to come.
I think the super hero genre is here to stay as there are so many different characters from the comics that can be brought to life but I agree some are starting to get boring. of all the films in that genre, deadpool rocked imo. the problem is we are going to see far too much of certain characters the run the risk of over doing them, in much the same way as to how David is being used in the prequel trilogy here. I think they should reign David in a bit in awakening as to not ruin the character.
Hm, the left side looks "strange". As if melting (mouth and cheek). Android?
Yes.
Alien series is the only one that I like every movie.
Star Trek is close....But less focused....all over the map.
Star Wars...love 'em...but uneven.
Alien series = Space monsters versus humans....simple, elegant. Hard science.
Hopefully he's just working on some fan fic scripts. I need to start mine. Think it would be incredible to have my own alien script completed...good or bad.
Call - Where do you want it?
Call stares at Johner, she is really pissed now
Yep, posted it up on the Blade Runner forums when it released. It looks amazing! New Blade Runner short film by Luke Scott
if we include TV + Movie sci-fi's
FIREFLY
Battlestar Galactica
Stargate(s)
I don't think it's an Easter Egg either.
