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I kind of Suspect that we would NOT be seeing the ALIENS QUEEN.

Looking at some of the Concept Work, it seemed to show some Dreams/Ambition of David to Create a Hybrid Human Birthing Machine, others indicate that the Eggs of a Female would be used to Create more Xenomorphs.  I would be interesting to see HOW those Face Huggers will be able to Procreate and i do Suspect we may have been Introduced to the EGG MORPH.

Looking at his Notes and comments by RS, we see that David has taken Great Care in Obtaining Various Traits from Various Organisms with the AID of the Black Goo and also the Neomorph Spores to Create a few Specimens, but it was with the AID of Dr Shaw (her Egg Cells) that he managed to get to those Eggs.

I suspect he would try to USE more Human Females in order to USE their Egg Cells to EVOLVE into Ovomorphs he may also try and Create a Hybrid that can maybe LAY EGGS well Give Birth to Eggs or maybe even Face Huggers?

Maybe we could get to the ALIENS QUEEN? who knows?  I just think that RS would TRY show something Different and more Disturbing.

Maybe his QUEEN could be a Female Synthetic Construct who may arrive in another Human Ship at some point?  His Xenomorph does lack the more Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Atheistic and RS said the Xenomorph has some EVOLVING to do before we get to ALIEN

IF some Androids who will appear are PART Organic/Synthetic then i do SUSPECT that they will become the FINAL PART of HOW we get to our Xenomorphs in ALIEN etc

This went UNUSED for the Fire and Stone Comics... but they could REUSE some Concepts that were dropped.

Ha Ha we all have Brain Farts now and again ;)

Really makes you WONDER to HOW they would have Continued as i cant see them having the Movie set on the Covenant for much, i would assume David would get to Origae-6 and Masquerade as Walter and have some kind of Colony Set Up then i think its BYE to the Few Colonist and then i suspect he would have PLANS for those Embryos.

The Engineers must come to Planet 4 but who knows if or how much we will see of that before they Determine where David has gone and they will be on their way to Origae-6

I would assume at least ONE Human Ship arrives to Origae-6 before the Engineers and who knows WHEN the other Human Ship arrives.

It will be interesting to see HOW all those Factions would Interact, i am sure it would be Carnage...  This does seem like a LOT to FIT into ONE Movie, and then we have to get to Thousands of Eggs and them ENDING up on a Engineer Ship and then END UP on LV-426

So yeah i can see it Needing at least TWO more Movies with that kind of Plot/Set-up...   who knows HOW FAR they had got with it as RS had said it was being Written but then the DISNEY talks began.

Well it does make sense if David created ( hatched ) the Queen found in ALIENS.......This I think would be much more believable than David creating the Xeno.

A couple of movies setting up the Queen ( the one from ALIENS ) as david's masterpiece would have probably worked for me.

Yes. Sorry, I had a brain fart. It's an Earth ship on its way to Origae-6, so of course no fellow juggernaut would have a ready means of tracking that.

I think that YES they could Detect and Connect with their OWN kind of Ship absolutely.  I think we can ASSUME that by the Time any Engineers would return to Planet 4 then David would be LONG GONE... and so if they could SCAN the Local Space so say within 200LY from Planet 4 then they would surely Detect a Number of Earth Ships within say that Range but i cant see HOW they would PIN POINT the Covenant.

Unless as i was saying the Engineers are on their way lets say they are 2 Years away and Detect a ALIEN Ship on their Scanners that is NEAR to Planet 4 and so they then GO TO intercept and Track that Ship (which would be the Covenant) i would assume they would INTERCEPT the Covenant like WAY before it got to Oriage-6

Apart from that it would be IF on Planet 4 they had anything that would DETECT and TRACK the Covenant and which Direction it was going (maybe even have a Visual on the Ship so they can TELL which Ship it is), but again i FIND IT like Difficult to Accept that the such a System would DETECT the Covenant heading in a Certain Direction and then Determine Exactly where it would be going.  Unless the System Detects the Ship leaving the Area of Planet 4 and can LOCK ON and Track its Entire Journey?

We maybe Cant Rule that out...

I think we have to Bare in Mind that the Covenant will arrive at Origae-6 in the Year 2112, after another 88 Months i think we can SAFELY ASSUME the Engineers Ships can get to Origae-6 in FAR LESS TIME.  And so that means that Unless they Arrive at Planet 4 when David is Nearly at Origae-6 or has been on Oriage-6 already then the Engineers would Intercept David before he gets there.

This all depends on IF they have a SYSTEM that detects and tracks any Ships that come Close and to HOW FAR they can Track the Ships and then IF these Systems are still Active.  Maybe the Scorpion Ship could have done this but that was taken OUT.

However IF we see David take a Engineer Ship from Planet 4 then YES the Engineers will know its EVERY MOVE.

Ridley Scott had indicated the SET-UP he had said...

*That David is OFF to the Planet (we have to ASSUME thats Origae-6)

*There will be incoming 3/4 Parties coming to Investigate.

*One of these Parties are the Engineers who Return every now and again and they Discover what has Happened to Planet 4 and they will be AFTER the Culprit.

Ridley Scott had further said that the Next Movie would NOT be about Xenomorphs it would be about A.I and WHAT KIND of a World would David Create?

This indicates to me that David would arrive to Origae-6 where he could USE this Place to Create but where he MAY-NOT be just Creating Xenomorphs. When talking about A.I he said that Replicants are A.I and so he is seeing that A.I can be Organic.

The Engineers will turn up in the 3rd Act, but there are another 2/3 Parties which means AT LEAST another TWO Parties where another could be SIMILAR or a Part of one of the other Factions.  Is ONE of these David and the Covenant? or does he mean that another 3/4 will Arrive?

The Engineers are ONE if they have Walter with them i guess thats 1/2 of them, but we cant be sure as to WHEN/HOW they determine where to GO but we know that they will ARRIVE at Oriage-6 at some point after First going to Planet 4.

It is LIKELY that another ONE of the Parties has to be a Weyland-Yutani ship that is Military/Science that is going to Origae-6 in DIRECT response to the Advent.

So we have Engineers and a W-Y Ship, i think they WONT arrive until David has been on Origae-6 for 1-3 Years where he is Creating whatever kind of World he wants.  There is another PARTY that i would assume is another HUMAN SHIP and maybe ONE that has NO IDEA about David or the Advent and so would assume they would be arriving at  Origae-6 where the Covenant Mission has started to SET-UP their Colony.

Then it would seem another PARTY has to be SOMEONE or a Group that is Connected and/or maybe Traveling with ONE of the other THREE Parties.

Seems a LOT to Cram into a Single Movie and its LIKELY the Derelict comes into Play either from the Returning Engineers, or from LV-223 after the Engineers have FIRST been to Oriage-6

I assume that the FINAL Connection will be that

a) Engineer Ship leaves Origae-6 with the Eggs and is going to LV-223 but ONLY gets as far as LV-426.

b) A Engineer Ship arrives at LV-223 having been to Origae-6, and has some Eggs/Specimens that they then MASS PRODUCE on LV-223 and a Ship leaves LV-223 with those EGGS but only gets as far as LV-426

So i think we Certainly  would have NEEDED like TWO Movies.

Again this is ONLY going by what the SET-UP is and what RS had indicated about the Direction of the Prequels, this does-not mean this is HOW we could see it Continued.  Just seems this is likely what RS had intended.

We'll have to disagree about the capabilities of the Juggernaut! This is SF after all. I can't think of one good reason why a hijacked, intelligent, bio-mechanical, alien spacecraft could not communicate autonomously to its owners! I could easily see one or more being drawn to Origae-6.

Certainly i think as FAR as David goes, he must have some Confidence that he can Create a Horde of his WOLVES and that he feels that Mankind would NOT be able to Control them ONCE they are UNLEASHED....  I think that it would make sense if the Company Investigate LV-223 and Planet 4 but YES they would know that David is going to Origae-6 and they would LIKELY send a Ship to Intercept him there.

The ONLY Problem for David is that his WOLF would need to be Transported and Contained, if the Company would take say a Handful of Eggs and they GOT out of Control then the Ship would become a Drifting Space Hulk but if this is on a Auto-Pilot then the Cargo would eventually Reach the Core Systems.

Should a SHIP go and arrive at Origae-6 and Encounter the Xenomorph and be AWARE of WHY it is that David had created them, the Survivors could ESCAPE and maybe Organize a Mission to NUKE the Place.... but you have the Potential that some may think... HANG ON... just take more Precautions because we would really GAIN a LOT from having a Specimen...

Regarding the ENGINEERS and Origae-6 then i think thats more Problematic, i just cant ACCEPT they would know where David is going, what we know is that its LIKELY that Origae-6 is 7-8X Further away from Planet 4 than Earth is and so within a Radius of 7-8 Years Travel for most Earth ships, then within that ZONE there would be NOTHING to make the Covenant Stand out as Culprit.

Unless Planet 4 has some kind of Scanner/Detector that was able to detect a Certain Frequency, Warp Signature thats UNIQUE to the Covenant Ship.  Or if the Engineers are NOT that FAR away when the Covenant leaves and can detect a Ship leaving Planet 4 and are able to TRACK IT... but surely they would INTERCEPT the Covenant like WAY before it gets to Origae-6.

The more LIKELY way has to be that either.

1) The Covenant Crew have left behind something that would indicate where in Space that Origae-6 is like a Chart that was in a Back Pack (or by some Miracle Survived the Lander Explosion)

2) After David had met the Crew, (there are MANY hours they was on Planet 4 where we NEVER saw every single Moment). So maybe they Told David where they was going and he went away and Drew a Map or Marked it someway that the Engineers could maybe Find?

3) The Engineers encounter WALTER and somehow they can Discover where David is going from HIM?

I think that Number 3 is the more likely Route they would take.

However you could have the Company Send a Mission to Planet 4, if you have received the ADVENT you would Research what the Prometheus Mission was about and you would MAYBE have a Android on the Mission who would learn the same things that David did during his Journey to LV-223 so that WHEN the Engineers turn up then this ANDROID is able to Communicate with the Engineers and INFORM them of where David had gone.

A BIG Reason for the OT is to look at the Stalemate we seem to be in at the Moment, the Prequels had NOT gone down well to Everyone, they seem to NOT have much of a IDEA on HOW to go and do another ALIEN Movie and so FAR we have had TWO ideas for Alien V which BOTH have Ripley and Xenomorphs and so its seems those in CHARGE dont have much of a Clue on doing something NEW.  Which is WHY i do applaud RS for attempting to do so.

The Prequels had introduced the Engineers and a Creation Plot that means these GUYS could have been Responsible for MANY Worlds that have Humanoid Creations even more HUMANS, it seems that Creation was IMPORTANT to them and that the DESTRUCTION was ONLY something they did when they FELT that a Creation has NOT been a Success or is Deemed a Threat or have UPSET their Creators in some way.

So it means that Earth was NOT the only place they Invested Time and Effort in and you have to ASK... if we had BEHAVED in a way that Pleased them, then would they STILL be coming to Visit us and NOT want us Destroyed?

And so its UNLIKELY they had Intended to DESTROY all the Worlds they have Seeded unless a Faction of the Engineers (or Sub-Creation) became Jealous or some other Reason that THEY wanted to SPITE all of their Brothers/Creators various Efforts and Creations?

And so with the Prequels i think some Fans wanted to KNOW more about the Engineers their Culture, History, WHY they Seed Worlds and WHAT other Worlds/Races have they Created.  I am sure many who was looking forwards to a Prometheus Sequel were looking to Discover more about THEM!

While some may wanted to know MORE about the Xenomorph and Origins, but i think in GENERAL it was NOT because Prometheus did-not Answer those, the Clues were too Ambiguous, but i think it was because Prometheus simply LACKED any kind of Xenomorph Replacement... Fifield Zombie Mutant was our MAIN Monster who KILLED most the Crew in a Single Attack.

And so lets say that Fifield did-not do much Killing... lets say we saw Milburn Backburst a Neomorph or Similar that Grew at the same Rate as in AC and so the Hammerpede acted as the SEED PLANTER...  i think something like this would have appeased more Fans.

And so just because we are in LIMBO with the Prequels and seems NOT having much of a idea on WHERE to take the Franchise that Steers Away from the Prequels.

I think you can give Clues to the Engineers Culture and Worlds they Visit, and you can also introduce a Threat that is related to the Horrors of LV-223 that does-not have to be a VANILLA XENOMORPH.

And so YES you can do that by going to ANOTHER WORLD, a World that is FAR FAR away the Scenario i USED is ONLY just a Example.... and Kepler-452b because it is Thought to be VERY Earth-like and 1400LY away means that the Nostromo for Instance would take 30 Years to Reach.  So this World would NOT go and Conflict with the Franchise.  But you could go to a World thats 2000-3000 Light Years away, you could SET it in the Year 2120-2160 (Before ALIEN or ALIENS say but it would NOT go conflict with those Movies).

I also think to Discover a World so FAR away with Remnants of a Civilization with Construction/Buildings like Earth had say 3000+ Years ago and HUMAN Remains that Date to many THOUSANDS of Years ago, would OPEN UP and UPLIFT the Prometheus Plot.... we would be like... WOW so Mankind had NOT only been SEEDED on Earth.... and to have some Engineer Bodies would indicate that Humans and Engineers could Co-Exist which they maybe could with Earth many Thousands of Years ago.

So you could get the FANS to maybe take Interest in this and THEN you can Explore the Engineers more... or if the Fans are NOT interested in this but like the MONSTER then you know thats what to Cover more..

I am sure a Lot of Fans had interest in the Engineers, some maybe wanting more of the LV-223 Brutes others maybe wanting a more DEEPER understanding of their Species etc.

I am sure a Lot of Fans want to see some Horrors but maybe they dont all think they should be Carbon Copies of what we seen in ALIEN/ALIENS.

They seem to NOT be so keen on making Androids the Center Point, but indeed the Rivalry between Human Companies and Factions and Agendas is always INTERESTING.

But the BIGGEST thing about ALIEN..... was the UNKNOWN, were you go to Explore Space for whatever Agenda you have and HOPES and that sometimes Space is NOT a Friendly Place and with the Unknown can come HORROR!

And so Mankinds Greed and Curiosity has caused Trouble between our People, but when in SPACE these things can LEAD us to something ALIEN, HORRIFIC and something we are TOTALLY unprepared for!

As the Premise of Prometheus shows..... WE ARE NOT ALONE!

Just Checked Out the Free League's Alien RPG seems interesting i would be tempted to get it to read some of the FLUFF.  I think the Interesting thing is shows is that SPACE from Humans on Earth is NOT something thats TOTALLY under the Control of Weyland-Yutani.

On Earth we have at the Moment Different Factions who i am SURE would all like to have a SLICE of the Space Cake should they be able to achieve the Technology we see in ALIEN, this is NOT Only Limited to the USA/NASA but you have RUSSIA you have CHINA, you have the EU and i am sure if Korea and Japan worked together on a Space Program they would be Considered a Contender in a Space Race.

And so WHEN you have Different Factions who have their OWN many Worlds/Moons and Space Stations out their in the COSMOS they would surely WANT to Protect their ASSETS, they would ALSO want to be FIRST to any Potential NEW and Rewarding ASSET.  And may go to some Extremes to be FIRST to get there....

So in the ALIEN Universe you can have Conflict that is between Mankind and Various Factions, we DONT just have to revolve around WY and Xenomorphs, but as far as ANY kind of ASSET that has a Genetic or Military Application which the Xenomorph is but also the Black Goo and what else is on LV-223 then i am sure other Companies would be looking to GAIN those ASSETS.... at a FOLLY.

These kind of things could be BETTER explored in a TV Series, but in Context to the OT then YEAH i guess it does-not have to be Weyland-Yutani who are always ENDING UP on a World where Horrors relating to the Xenomorph are found.

Free League's Alien RPG, which has been out for over a year and continues to publish supplements, including the newest one, The Colonial Marines Sourcebook, has been not only bringing the Alien universe into tight focus with all of its different elements, but building and expanding it beautifully. The guy who writes most of it, Andrew Gaska, used to be the Fox canon consultant for the Alien franchise, so he isn't just pulling his stuff out of the air, and the recent expansion was reviewed and ok-ed by Disney, indicating that they consider the material canon. It amazes me that none of this ever gets mentioned on these forums, because its not just a great game, its literally the best and most comprehensive thing in Alien media in years. AND it offers a ton of insight into where things can and probably will go with Alien - including the Engineers, the various technological aspects, the politics of the Alien universe, the corporate elements, and a cohesive time line. As a fan of Alien, it feels to me like this is the place to look for where things are going. I've brought it up before, but the topic just kind of floated away. I might suggest looking at it, because its clear, whether you care about table top RPGs or not, the Alien universe it not stalled. We might still be wondering what the next movie project will be like, but its seeds are already out there.

100% agree with this.

We need more worldbuilding in the alien verse.

Trillions of planets ( and trillions of moons! )in the galaxy....

I suspect W T ( and any other corporations ) are looking for Earth like analogues....Maybe all the aliens are on un-Earthlike planets or moons ( like Lv-426 )?

Maybe they find a perfect world, but one of the moons has some nasty creatures....Would you want to live in paradise near such a moon? Or would the corporations hide the secret from the new world's colonist? Maybe W T would try to clean up the moon and safeguard 'paradise'? Need someone to write this novel! Lol!

What better way for David to pique the interest of the Company than by telling them of the incredible advances he's been making in genetic engineering. The Advent message does give a clear warning (to the Company) that David wants his creations to rule the Galaxy. That would be like a red rag to a bull to the Company's bio-weapons division and would surely lure them to him. This is a big deal. The Company knows where he's going, with a large retinue of colonists, and they know he's intent on letting loose his creations. We, the viewers, know he wants to use Daniels to create an Alien Queen, but he says it rather cryptically, and the Company wouldn't know exactly what this means.

I think hubris would let the Company down. Despite developments being a big deal, they would be over-confident of containing the situation (a repeated theme) and send an ill-equipped fleet to sort David out. This could well be exactly what David wants: to take advantage of such a fleet, who would beat a hasty retreat, thus spreading the infection.

Of course, we know that at some point an Engineer ship complete with Engineer pilot and thousands of eggs comes to the fray. There are plenty of different ways that could come about. One possibility I entertain is that the Juggernaut ships are in a sense "alive", a form of bio-mechanical engineering, and in communication with their Engineer handlers. Thus, an Engineer outpost could easily be primed to come looking for its hijacked ship. Engineers finding Origae-6 seething with new engineered lifeforms, unfortunate colonists, a megalomaniac robot, and hopelessly out-of-depth Company die-hards could make for an incredible mix. The Engineer vigilantes would be overwhelmed and make a futile attempt at escape, ending up on LV-426.

Many other possibilities, of course.

The BASIS of this Topic is to SHOW that you can Explore another WORLD that has Connections to the Engineers Creation Story, a World that had Humans and Engineers who lived in Harmony of Sorts... Until something had BEFELL that World.

*Had this Civilization been Attacked and Suffered a Bombardment of Black Goo?

*Had this Civilization been Attacked by some other Horror brought to this Place and by Who?

*Had something arrived on this World via a Asteroid or some other Alien Craft?

*Had this Civilization ventured out and Discovered something they SHOULD NOT HAVE?

And so such a PLOT could show us that this World had been Bombarded by either Black Goo, or someone Unleashed some Horrific Beast on the World.  Or maybe this World was where the Engineers Discovered the Beast that would BEGIN all the Experiments on LV-223?

Well the CGI for me was NOT that Bad.... it looked Sub-Par with the Xenomorph on the Covenant in some SHOTS (some of them Dropped) and the Neomorph when we saw it OPEN its Mouth to Bite Roseys Head Off.

"1. He thinks he's already created perfection, in the form of his engineered creature.
2. He can't allow humanity to grasp for resurrection.

So it's clearly foremost in his mind that he wants to wipe out humans. A good way of achieving that would be through a xenomorph army."

I think Hox i will address this Comment as INDEED you are Correct, but what is a Problem is the ADVENT Message....

For David to have this Agenda then he would be FOOLISH to even Contact the Company at all, apart from the END of AC when as Walter he informs them about the Loss of All but TWO Crew due to the Solar Storm Incident and that they are Continuing with the Journey to Origae-6.

The BEST Place that David could Continue with his Experiments to MASS PRODUCE the Xenomorph would be to STAY on Planet 4..... but IF he was to LAND the Covenant on Planet 4 its UNLIKELY the Ship would be able to LEAVE and we have to ASSUME any Engineer Ships are STRANDED... so thats a NO-GO.  Also maybe the Company can Track where the Covenant is and so if they Detect down the LINE it has remained near Planet 4 they may SEND OUT a Ship to Investigate.

so for David the BEST OPTION is to go to LV-223 where he can Experiment and MASS PRODUCE the Xenomorph, the ONLY Problem he would have is IF the Company detect the Covenant has moved to the Zeta 2 System, they could SEND OUT a Ship to Intercept.  Unless David disables any Transponder and makes NO FURTHER Communications, but maybe the Company after a WHILE may find it Suspicious that the Covenant has Disappeared off the RADAR.

Maybe David knows the Companies Science Department and Military would become Curious to what David has Created?  The Advent Message would BAIT them to go to Planet 4 likely, where IF they survive any Neomorphs, and if they survive the Xenomorphs and attempt to take Samples back, then SHOULD they get to Earth then it could be BIG TROUBLE.

They Company may also investigate LV-223 where again they may NOT SURVIVE but if they did and brought back the Pathogen then a Outbreak could Happen and cause Havoc or Chaos from any Experiments the Company Conduct.

By the TIME the company get the ADVENT Message the Covenant would have a HEAD START towards Origae-6 and it could be that by the TIME that David has Landed on Origae-6 he could have 2-3 Years before anyone else ARRIVES.

This maybe could give him TIME to Produce a Army of Xenomorphs, but then its HOW does he get these to Conquer the Galaxy?

Would he BARTER with the Company saying they are Secure and Arrange them to be taken on Ships to Earth?   If he wishes to HIJACK those Ships himself they he would NOT be able to do so on his OWN.

He would likely have to Program/Influence more Synthetics, or Create some NEW Species from those Embryos and have THEM believe he is their Creator/Father and GOD and WARN them that others will come ONE DAY to Destroy them, so that DAVID can then get the AID of them to Help Hijack any Human Ships and LOAD the Deadly Cargo.

But as we are going to ALIEN then the Engineers will RETURN and somehow ONE of their Ships will have those EGGS on it and END-UP on LV-426.

Do they OBTAIN the Eggs from Planet 4 but there are NOT Thousands but they could take them to LV-223 to MASS-PRODUCE.

Do they OBTAIN them from Origae-6 but then its HOW do they know thats where David would be?

The MOST LAZY kind of Plot Convenience would be that Origae-6 is a World the Engineers either Visit or have a Outpost and so this World has Engineer Ships in a Hanger... this would be SUPER LAZY Writing though.

Regarding something NEW well it depends what is NEW, i think DISNEY would prefer to do something OLD, and that would be a more Xenomorphy kind of Movie thats more Action Heavy and so more of a Aliens, Alien Resurrection and AVP than say a Alien, Alien 3 or like Alien Covenant.  But its what kind of STORY/PLOT and would it be anything REALLY NEW?

You CANT center another set of 2-3 Movies around Ripley

Making it SOLELY about he Xenommorphs for 2-3 Movies will become Stagnant unless they can EVOLVE the Xenomorph from say what we saw in ALIENS.

I think the Alien Universe has other Aspects that could be Expanded and Explored and as DK had said, a Streaming Series would be IDEAL for that Purpose.  But to have the Xenomorph involved a lot will INCREASE the Budget and if you have a SMALL Budget and Plan EPIC SCENES and Monsters you RUN the Risk of the CGI being VERY SUB STANDARD.

I VOTE to Continue.

Especially in LIGHT of Alien Covenant, you see with Prometheus it was meant to ONLY give subtle Clues to Alien and was NOT a Direct Prequel, and so with Prometheus you could have Carried on with NO SEQUEL... what Happened on LV-426 and the Xenomorph kept a Mystery, where David and Dr Shaw go also could be  kept a MYSTERY.

With Alien Covenant its indicated we are seeing the STARTING POINT of the Xenomorph Origins and that as RS had said this would Gradually lead us to the Back Door of ALIEN and so AC has SET itself up to have a Sequel.

The Problem we have NOW is due to the Time-Frame which is 17 Years and we have to ASSUME that the Logical Direction is to WHERE we see David going Next which seems to be Origae-6 which means he WONT arrive until 2112 and so that LEAVES JUST 10 Years for Davids TWO Face Huggers to become Thousands of Eggs on a Engineer Ship that ENDS UP on LV-426

Your NOT going to find it Easy to get from AC-ALIEN in just ONE MORE Movie Considering all the Pieces that have to come together, and if the Next Movie was more about DAVID and would have NO or Little to do with the Xenomorphs then i am NOT sure that Fans in General would watch it and i DOUBT it would make Money.

Fans i feel would want to get to the Business END of when the Engineers turn up (or Space Jockey) and we see Xenomorphs on a Rampage and then those Eggs on that Ship, they would likely NOT Care for WHAT KIND of a World that David wants to Create that would eventually go to POT by the 3rd Act of the Next Movie.

There is HOWEVER a Compromise FIX but then thats NOT going to please everyone.

I notice that What Culture give AV the distinction of having the worst CGI effects in a sci-fi movie. I have to take issue with that, because the big boy looks ok for the most part. It was a brave move of Ridley to feature the monster in daylight.

The got the worst part wrong. That was when the beast decided to slip down from one deck to another. It made the dorsal projections look kind of flimsy.

yes I would love to learn more about the Engineers and their relationship with the Xenomorphs

Move on with something new. In fact, skip a long theatrical release all together. It would likely have key parts left on the editing room floor for the sake of brevity resulting in a convoluted mess. Continue with a streaming series that can flesh out both characters and story over a season rather than two hours.

Greetings all, just found the site the other day after introducing my 19 year old daughter to Prometheus & AC (and the "Alien" universe in general) and was curious about the travel time/distance discussions.  Mind blowing stuff for astrophys postulations (for me at least) but after reading those talks, I branched out and saw this thread and got a little curious.

While I don't have a take one way or the other on the costumes, when it comes to the actual movies, I personally like the prequels better (and OG Aliens, c'mon "man"...Bill Paxton!) than the other OG 3 just because I enjoy "beginning" stories more, but you can't forget your origins so props to the originals (maybe not resurrection so much though imo).

Now we each have our own takes and opinions so I am just adding mine, not discrediting anyone else's and after reading these, I appreciate all the different pov brought forth.  So here is my thought, regarding the ability of David using the Engineers tech with it being so advanced (I know, off topic from the primary reason of this discussion), has anyone considered the appearance of the citizens (the non-militarized Engineers if you will) when David literally drops the bomb(s) on them as being an indicator of where they are, or want to be with their tech?

For me, taking their very basic attire, the general appearance of them and their surroundings and the tech usage the Engineers had in both films, their advancement as a species related to their level of technology could maybe have been a case of been there, done that, got the tshirt and now lets learn from our mistakes and maybe in some aspects of their technology, they chose to KISS due to inherent dangers of perhaps unchecked, or inability to check, tech/AI advancement.  Basically I am just theorizing that in their history, they could have advanced so far in some ways that through mistakes, perhaps some catastrophic, they learned to keep some things simple (from their pov) and perhaps reigned in their tech/AI a bit.

I just wondered about this due to their citizens general appearance in AC and just maybe, that is how their tech could possibly be manipulated by an advanced human AI that is roughly 80 years or so in our future.

Of course to serve the overall plot of a story some parts of it may need, or just have, a simple explanation, and perhaps this one is that, but if anyone has any opinions on this please share as this is a wonderfully thought provoking discussion.

Really enjoying the site, have a good one all.

Well, look at that. Despite all the moaning about the prequels that goes on here, the great majority of fans want to see more.

Voted to continue, I want to see what happens next.

I don't like the David character....., but I don't want to see an ordinary 'bug hunt' movie....and that's how I fear they would start fresh. The Xeno is a one trick pony.

Something new would be my choice, it's too much about David right now and I'm not interested in that. Keep the engineers and the black goo, they have had Ripley in four movies and various Morphs (Xenomorph, Neomorphs, and so on) so why not the Engineers? If they are smart enough they try to introduce something new to the franchise like they did with the Engineers in Prometheus.

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"where Shaw and David would go next. My problem is that Shaw was dumb and annoying"

She was Annoying because she was so Naive and Stubborn to her Religion, her response to the Evidence by Holloway was "so who Created them" and she also said that "GOD would NOT have tried to Hurt her" and so what we have is a Interesting thing  to PONDER as to IF/WHEN she Discovers her WHOLE Religion and EVERYTHING she Believes in is PROVEN to be FALSE... what does THAT do to her Character and IF she discovers the Engineers are NOT Nice or their Creators or she does-not AGREE with what they do.   Say if the Engineers/Hierarchy are prepared to ALLOW her to STAY but then they are to GO TO EARTH to Destroy the Rest of us..... THEN maybe Dr Shaw would WANT to find a way to DESTROY them.

So her Character could be FIXED... Noomi is a Good Actor....

"Unfortunately they didn't have any text to it so the point gets lost, duh"

Indeed, we have NOT even seen the FULL Scene... the Actor who played the Sacrificial Engineer had a Few Lines that we NEVER saw, there is some dialog on the Blu-ray Extras by the Elder Engineer... no Translation but its shown in the Shot of the Draft... 

"Let your body become the dirt. Your blood become the waters, and may your soul become their way back to us."

So there was a GREAT Importance and Ritual to that Scene and RS had likened it to how the AZTECS would Choose a Sacrifice who would be Treated as a Prince for a Year and then SACRIFICED to the Gods for a Better Harvest and so this means that the Engineers is Sacrificed as a Duty for the Greater Cause of the Engineers which appears to be CREATION.

"Unfortunately Scott only seems to be interested in David at least in Covenant which was a disappointment"

I think that YES it has Reduced the Role of the Xenomorph... i think maybe we could Accept this.... our Xenomorph has had its Good Run Out.... the ONLY way Forwards would be that the Engineers discover those Eggs and see the Potential in them and RE-ENGINEER and Mass-Produce them and THEN they attempt to LOAD them up and GO OFF on a Warpath... but we know what HAPPENS NEXT ;)

And so its Time for something NEW or OLD as it were..... we maybe need to FORGET about our Xenomorph, but then THINK about as to WHY was it the Experiments on LV-223 had a Genetic Connection to the Xenomorph, the Hammerpedes, the Trilobite, the Deacon, the Mural, The Fresco.... the Neomorph!

so what is the Connection?

*Is this JUST what the Goo Does?

*Or is this Something that the Creation Goo was used on to make such Horrors, and so WHAT was the Creature they BEGAN those Experiments on?

*Or does the Creation Goo come from some other Creature/Species we have NOT seen yet?

WHEN/HOW and WHERE did the Engineers get the Sacrificial Goo from?

Getting away from LV-223/426 then the Engineers have likely Seeded and Interacted with MANY Worlds, and NOT only in this Galaxy.

*Have (do they) the Engineers had Conflicts with their OWN KIND?

*Do they have Conflicts with other Creations?

*Have they had Conflicts with other Species that THEY had NOT gone and Created?

*WHO are their Creators?

And so YES there is more that can be Discovered.

"like Amish people versus the modern ways of living to compare it"

Exactly i think this is what is going on with the Engineers, they do have Technology but they ONLY use it where its Needed, they have a VERY like Cultural/Ritual way of Living, they have Grown Out of things that our Modern Mankind now takes for Granted, and so its like their Culture has been given to them to Follow more Basic Ways like the Amish.

And i would say YES it is VERY UNLIKELY that Planet 4 is the ONLY kind of World the Engineers are on, they MUST have others, and maybe some of these they LIVE in Harmony with their Creations..   Ridley Scott had said the ENGINEERS are NOT A RACE!   They are a Civilization and so they could be a MIX of Engineer, Human and other Humanoid Genomes in their Worlds/Civilizations.

I think the PROBLEM you have is IF you go to bring the Engineers back then its HOW, you would have to THINK so HOW do you bring them BACK but then NOT have any Human Characters.... but there are WAYS around this ;)

Regarding SURVIVORS.... well it seems the Bombardment had NOT gone and infected the Entire Planet, we know that David had gone to Explore various Native Species of Fauna and Flora, IF we had Dr Shaw Survive for some time then she would NEED say Food/Drink as i cant see her being KEPT in Cryo-Sleep all the way until her Death.  For David to have had Engineers to Dissect and Experiment with which included Infants and Children then SOME must have Survived.

It is LIKELY the Bombardment only HIT a Certain Radius... what is Interesting is the Bombardment had eventually just Calcified the Engineers to like Mummified Stone.  And so maybe those Engineers who RAN into the Cathedral/Dome would NOT have been Effected, or others who were NOT in the Courtyard and were able to Barricade themselves.  If the OUTSIDE of those Buildings was Contaminated and NOT Safe then eventually the Surviving Engineers supply of Food would RUN DRY and eventually them become Emaciated and EASY for David to Pick Off.

The Neomorph Spores seemed to ONLY be at the Entrance to the Hanger where there is FLOWING WATER and down the Stream that runs down the Mountain Range where some Black Goo could have Spilled and RAN down the Stream and Infected MOLD/FUNGI that had grown.  And so the BLACK GOO could either be Primed/Programed to turn those Engineers to STONE or the Engineers had a Device that would Render all Genetic Material within a Radius to become Calcified so the Pathogen would be HALTED.

As far as SHIPS it would seem that with the Crashing of the Scorpion Ship (or maybe something else was Activated) then the SHIPS are Stranded and this is WHY we saw that David was Marooned for 10 Years.

RS said more Engineers will Return as they come and go every Few Hundred Years.

I think when it comes down to the Engineers it DEPENDS on what you would Expect.

LV-223 Guys who Speak Little would be kind of like having the Predators from AVP.

The Planet 4 Guys had disappointed some but these PAINTED a Picture about Civilization

The Elders were Interesting but they may have got a Redesign if we EVER got to see them where they would appear more like Planet 4 than LV-223.

The Plot seems to indicate the Engineers invest more time in Creating Civilizations and Teaching Them things and Interacting with Worlds, than SPENDING a lot of Time on Creating Horrors like the Xenomorph/Deacon and then ROCKING UP to worlds to UNLEASH them.

But thats the KIND of Engineers/Plot that most would want to see, i feel the Expansion with the Engineers is JUST beyond what many would be into, were as a AVP is more their kind of Cuppa Tea as far as Xenomorphs and ANOTHER Alien Species.  I guess Fans dont want Thought Provoking, but Bone-Breaking Story/Plot.

I think you Needed a Balance between the two.

"Covenant should have expand on that but it didn't for whatever reason."

Sadly this was a Sacrifice as a Consequence of them thinking so HOW do we make a Prequel that will Eventually lead to ALIEN, and HOW do we get more Human Characters as we ONLY have Dr Shaw.

And so you had the Covenant Ship and its Plot,  and sadly to give that enough Screen Time and then have the Engineers get more Screen Time would have meant a Extra 30-40 Min....  i would say that WITHOUT the Engineers then AC had needed a Extra 20-30 Min to Build on Characters... a lot of AC seemed Rushed/Forced.

Every Movie has Lame Characters as LONG as you have 3-4 say who Stand Out and well we have NOT had that since Alien 3.  A Good Plot and Special Effects will always FALL FLAT if the Characters are NOT Good or we cant Connect with.

Certainly it seemed that for RS the BIGGEST thing about the Prequels was about Creation, what makes Creation (does Creation have to be Organic Only) and also to look at the Pit Falls of Creating something Intelligent that becomes Sentient.

For me the Creator of the Xenomorph Plot was not so BAD it makes PERFECT SENSE in Context to the Theme/Arc but i do think it would have FITTED just as much if David had Created something Different more PERFECT than the Xenomorph, lets say the Ultramorph.

The Creation Theme would likely had Continued with a Sequel as RS had said it would NOT be about the Xenomorph, and also it would seem that DAVID would be Playing the MAIN ROLE again, which is something else that has NOT settled well with Fans.

Its a Case that NOW they had gone the Route to getting to LV-426 and Xenomorphs then THESE are what Fans are Expecting and NOT a Series about a Would-be Creator as in David and his Quest to become his own GOD/CREATOR.

In HINDSIGHT they should have made a Prometheus Sequel that goes to LV-223 where we get more of a Action Horror and more Clues Regarding the Connection to LV-426 and maybe even a Xenomorph appearance or VERY SIMILAR so then the DOOR to ALIEN could be Closed.

And the Franchise could begin with a Spin-Off thats NOT connected to LV-426 and Xenomorphs and the START of this Spin-Off begins WHEN we see David and Dr Shaw go to where they are OFF TOO.

So Prometheus would then had been a Bridge between ALIEN and a SPIN-OFF.

Good for those that are into those kind of things

Thanks Chris, I hope that this will draw old members back to this place, at least some of them. You already have a member that has commented on here that hasn't been active for a long time. Hopefully we will see old members get back here.

The Engineer head is interesting, makes me wonder why they built that. Maybe its a tribute to the elder engineers in some way? Not sure what the purpose would be but maybe there is one.

Interesting, I went to the page and checked it out. He has a lot of impressive things there and even though Covenant was a mixed bag I can't deny the talent that he has.

What if they don't get the Engineers right in the first place? You can't expect people to find things out in a sequel if the first one doesn't work. If you plan a series of movies you got to make it work the first time otherwise you're screwed. I don't say that it's impossible but it's risky but at least the prequels got messed up in their execution even though the ideas are interesting. There are things that I like in the prequels, I don't try to totally bash them and that that they are total crap.

How bout an Engineer spin-off? If Star Wars can have Rogue One then why not Alien? They need good writers and a director that doesn't play god and throws in dumb ideas.

“With a Sequel do they then Explain WHY this Weapons was Created in more Detail? Do they show MORE of this Weapon? Do they Spoon Feed the Space Jockey Story more?”

Those things should be hinted at and not overtly explained but they can't be too ambiguous either otherwise we will get a Prometheus. I don't totally blame Lindelof but he caused some trouble. Prometheus should have had more of Spaights and less ambiguity/Lindelof-isms.

I don't mind that they focused more on the Engineers and less on the Xenos. We already had six Xeno-movies before. The explanation should have been better in Prometheus, more A to D and less ambiguity which doesn't mean to throw out all the mystery. Alien is boring if everything is explained.

I hope that they keep the Engineers, even the guys at the Xenomorphing podcast said in their Prometheus episode that they would like to see more of them. More Engineers please, less David and even less of the monsters if they get the Engineers right.

Prometheus creates discussions, which is fine but unfortunately there is a lot of crap in it also. Sometimes we get discussions that are “well, that sucked and why did they do that?” not “Oh this is interesting. Why did they do that?” It depends on what kind of discussions there are and why. Unfortunately the why tends to be that a lot of it wasn't done well.

“But this kind of Edit would have made the Movie 35-40 Min Longer…”
So? I would rather have a good movie that is a bit longer rather than something that is cut for run-time and where things don't make sense/look dumb.
You mention where Shaw and David would go next. My problem is that Shaw was dumb and annoying, maybe she would have been more like in The Crossing which would have been fine but they needed to get her right in the introduction/early in the movie otherwise we get what we got.

“In the Meantime they began to Seed/Evolve Life on other Worlds, even Creating Races that are similar to themselves as they were maybe Millions of Years ago... MANKIND being one such Creation.”

This is something that I would have liked to see more of. We got a hint of it in the beginning of Prometheus with the guy with the cake. Unfortunately they didn't have any text to it so the point gets lost, duh.

“They maybe saw that some of the Civilizations they Created and Nurtured had shown Signs of Evolving”

Which is like David and Weyland but the Engineer part is more interesting. Never had any interesting the Weyland character but if they would have had that TED-talk in there he would have been better.

“This would be a Concern... and the Engineers likely would VISIT these Worlds from Time to Time, and in the Case of Earth then things could have GROWN really out of Control.”

I would have liked to see that, engineers that go to war against their creations. We don't need a full battle-movie but parts of it.

“And so in Context to the Engineers the Xenomorph was again MERELY a Engineered/Evolved Weapon…”
Yeah, but I would rather have them being responsible for it rather than David. Unfortunately Scott only seems to be interested in David at least in Covenant which was a disappointment.

“In Hindsight the MOST POWERFUL and Enigmatic Scene in the Franchise (Derelict/Pilot Chamber and Egg Chamber) should have REMAINED a Mystery.”

I agree

Anyone else that wants to add something?

As long as they have a good story and well-written characters I'm fine. I would be so disappointed if they would release a third David-movie after all this time waiting.

“The click bait BS is just getting out of hand lately and I think it's due to lack of any official updates.” (Chris)

Journalism for journalism's sake/to just write things and hope to keep your job is meaningless. There haven't been that many alien-news this far but that doesn't justify writing some garbage and represent it as legitimate/trustworthy information. Since I'm skeptical to a lot of things that I read I go by official sources otherwise it becomes easy to believe in nonsense. (I don't only do that with journalism but also to things that I hear, like “oh really? Duh”)

We’ve done this thing before but things can change so why not? Here is my list:

1. Alien 3 (both versions): I like how this ended the story of Ripley and it was also nice that it wasn't another marines versus aliens. Newt and Hicks died but this franchise has never been about family and happiness anyways so that was alright. There were enough well-done characters for it to work like Clemens (the doctor), Dillon (the religious leader), and so on. First they distrust Ripley but after a while she becomes the leader kind of. Alien 3 has a good soundtrack. I can understand why some people might dislike it but it's my favorite.

2. Alien: They movie that started it all. I like how they are trapped on a space ship that is small enough and that there is nowhere to escape, I also like that they don't manage to kill the Xeno first, it takes a while. A lot of it is in darkness but there is also some well-lit scenes also mainly in the control room? Parker and Brett are interesting that they are so different and still they work together. Ripley as the final character does a good job and also Cartwright as Lambert in that she is the face of panic and who wouldn't be scared in a situation like that? The scene with the derelict and the SJ is really good and the fairly silent atmosphere adds to that. Even though many has seen the Kane scene I can imagine someone watching it for the first time.

3. Aliens: Maybe it's fair to call this the action movie? I like how it is a different genre compared to Alien. The marines seem kind of confident in the beginning but it goes to crap later. Vasques is my favorite character in this movie still I like her don't take any shit attitude. Hicks works as the silent leader person. Burke is an asshole and works in the context of the movie. I like how this shows a bit more of the company but maybe it wasn’t that necessary to get more information about it in the longer version? Some mystery is needed in a franchise like this.¨

4. Prometheus and Covenant: Prometheus I like the idea about the Engineers, I also like the visuals. Scott is good with how the movie shall look but his ideas for the story are bad. David, and Janek work as characters but I'm not too impressed with the rest. I have seen extra-material from the movie and too many character-scenes are left out, which is a major let-down and makes some of the characters look dumb or not interesting. The new monsters are interesting, I like that they tried something new with this movie even though it doesn't work in general. 2 out of 5

Covenant I like that the planet looks like it has more life, the one in Prometheus looked kind of dead. I like that we saw a bit about the Engineers even though it was too little and I also like that we saw some of their things.

Unfortunately this has the same problem as Prometheus did, most of the characters are lame, I don't understand most of the personality that the characters have they are just blank faces which means that I don't care when they die. At least the characters were not as annoying here as they were in Prometheus. David and Walter are interesting compared to each-other, Oram is interesting as a religious scientist too bad that his death-scene was lame. When Oram died is when I lost interest in the movie. Faris had a fairly small part but I sort of liked her character even though it could have been so much better written and bigger. Seeing Walter and David and how different they were as characters was interesting but the flute-scene where they talk about creation and what ever was too long and too slow, I almost fell asleep at the end of that scene. David as the hinted creator of the Xeno sucks balls.

5. AVP1: I like how it was set somewhere far away on earth, not sure if they would have managed to have it elsewhere on this planet. The isolation works in favor of this movie. Having the predators and Xenos fighting against each-other was an interesting thing. Unfortunately most of the characters except for Lex and Weyland were lame, same as with the prequels. This movie isn't extremely good but it's not a disaster either, I can watch it without feeling embarrassed for the franchise. One thing that I like was the pyramid, that was an interesting setting where you could feel the claustrophobia, a bit of the same feeling as in Alien. A scene that first had a person scared and then we see a penguin was hilarious.

6. AR: Comedy, lame characters not even Ripley was good even though it was kind of interesting with the hybrid Xeno-DNA. The cloning-thing could work in the alien-universe but it didn't here. Unfortunately this is where the franchise started to go downhill. One thing that they got right was the visuals, it looks good but the story and the characters were not. AR got the Xenos wrong, they look like they have dark plastic bags as skin and the newborn looks like crap. A scene a bit into the movie is the underwater-scene, it was good and scary imagine yourself being in that situation. Bad writing got this movie down and it seems from podcasts that I have listened to that Fox messed up on this one.

7. AVPR: Last on the list because it sucks, it is a redundant movie. Random scenes put together without any narrative sense, characters without personality, characters that are just there for one scene and then they are dead. A bad Scream rip-off. The movie is so dark so a lot of the times you don't see a thing. Isn't a point of a movie that we shall be able to watch it? Sorry for being blunt but F this one, it gets 0/10.

There is so much potential with the Engineers so to reduce their world to just one stone-planet would be very boring. To me it seems more interesting if Planet 4 was just one of the places where the Engineers or a sub-group of them if you will (like Amish people versus the modern ways of living to compare it) had decided to live.

I'm not very interested in what happened between Shaw and David, Shaw is what she is and I don't want a movie about a robot. They could write a book about it for those that are interested.

David got his head ripped off in Prometheus so I doubt that he would like to take any risks. Weren't there different drafts where they wrote a bit about what Shaw and David did between Prometheus and Covenant?

“What of the Engineers..... it appears some MUST have Survived for a While... Until they became the TEST SUBJECTS of David.”

Here's another idea: What if some of them realized that David was dangerous so they left in some ships that they had hidden somewhere? Maybe some of them survived and what about them? Why did some of the survive for a bit while others died immediately? Was it about how much of the bio-bombs that they got on them (compare it to napalm maybe)?

“Well we have a 2000+ Year Gap as to WHY we are Still here if these ENGINEERS all Hate us and WANT US DEAD... so you could have had a Conflict a Battle in the STARS where the Engineers had a WAR between each other.........…”

I would rather have that compared to Covenant, a civil war of sorts.

“It seemed Written in STONE that regardless of WHERE it was that David went, that Eventually he would RAIN HELL on the World.…”

But that reduces what they could do with another movie, it’s not a smart choice if you ask me.They should have done another movie or have another direction in ideas of where to go after Prometheus.

About few characters, you could concentrate on a few but they should be well written and well executed and should be more in amount compared to Covenant. Conflicting the franchise, you could fix that with some smart writing but they got to be better than the level that we got in Covenant.

It's good that they keep the Engineers in the franchise, it would be too bad if they were never seen again in any way. The prequels added them to the franchise and expanded it, something that I welcome.  There are more to this franchise than Xenos and the old things. Unfortunately AC took a step back on this but I hope that they will be in another alien-movie in the future.

Nah, my opinion is kind of the same compared to back then. There are some good parts and then there are things that are just not good. Covenant has mostly lame characters, it is too much about a crazy robot, and he is also given the role of the creator of the Xeno. There is too little about the Engineers which is a shame. Even though Prometheus was so and so at least it introduced the Engineers and therefore expanded the franchise.

The could have left the Xeno alone, cool monsters don't make a movie good. They could have showed the Xeno as a cameo at the end of the third prequel. Having new monsters is something that the prequels did right.

“Do you still hope Ridley Scott gets to conclude his Prometheus prequel series…”

It depends on if he gets better human characters, reduce the David part heavily, make the Xeno something that David didn't create, and have more about the Engineers. Keep Scott far away from the story, he can be involved with the visuals but not more than that. Not interested in a movie about a mad android, forget it.

I haven't watched Covenant in a long time, there are fan-edits that improve it a little but it is still not enough because it isn't a very good movie. When the foundation is lame then it doesn't help to add things.

More Engineers please but if it's supposed to be a trilogy it might be a bit too late to introduce much about them in the last movie. Covenant should have expand on that but it didn't for whatever reason.

The poster with the Engineer sand the monsters was cool but it implied a movie that we never got. It would probably have been better than the actual movie. It implied that the Engineers created something that they shouldn’t have and it became their downfall, it could also imply David releasing the monsters on them which didn’t happen. Having David recreating the monster and releasing it on the Engineers could have been better than to have him responsible for the monster.

A problem with the prequels is that they removed a lot of the mystery and replaced it with things that are not as interesting.

“I would be just fine if only the Engineers had kept researching the Aliens as weapons of war.”

This is something that I totally agree with.

Monsterzero brings up two points that I agree with. The last time that there were enough well-done characters was in Alien 3, the rest have been disappointments mainly for that reason. To me only Faris and Oram had any personality in AC among the humans, Daniels wasn't that good and was too much like a rip-off of Ripley but she didn’t have that much of a personality either.

Alien Covenant is a part of a conversation between two opposing dynamics:-

1) Ridley Scott's return to science fiction and the matters that interest him. 

2) The A L I E N fanbase involved in its own internal construct of what it believes anything attached to the name should be about with a set of fixed parameters.

In Prometheus, Bladerunner and Raised By Wolves we see Ridley's preoccupations, a fascination with what is life, how much is constructed and to what extent is there a blurring of the lines or could be. How were we created (Engineered benign accident) and mankind's reaction to mortality (Weyland) and how religiosity enters the narrative.

In Alien Covenant we see an attempt to get inside the ALIEN construct and try and attach the monster to the creation riff which pleases no one. 

Fans like to blame the messenger for not being invested enough or lacking belief in the monster.

The reality is whether Prom/BR49/RBW are any good the subject matter is far more interesting than recycling the monster. 

That Ridley would have placed the monster on the edge of the follow up to AC is unsurprising we see the comment in RBW that the monsters are degraded humans just as in Prometheus the rule book was set up that the monster was a degrading of the original intent. 

Put simply Ridley's natural constituency is not the ALIEN fan base. His view of AC is "I told you so" the fans view is "try harder." AC reminds of the dichotomy and gap between deliverer and recipient.   

Certainly i have to try and DIG some up.

Dane Hallet (AC Concept Artist) had some some Interesting works.

Very Cool like Transparent kind of Xenomorph.

These were Interesting too, giving us like a Look into a Hybrid of Human and Xenomorph/Neomorph DNA.

I think it would have been Interesting to see WHAT it is that David would have Created on Origae-6.  So below i Modified a Engineer Concept/Work for Davids Notes from AC (Engineer too the Left) by turning it into a Taller, Slender Hybrid that i thought maybe could be WHAT it is that David would Create Next ;)