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I honestly believe the events and mythology created in "Aliens" will be ignored or even wiped clean with Prometheus. Aliens was a great Sci-fi Action film, but ALIEN is so much more intriguing and well-made. I would gladly like to forget the "[i]oh no! we're fighting giants bugs and their hive queen![/i]" concept of Aliens for a return to a more unique sci-fi concept such as the one in the original film.

It has already been stated by Damon Lindelof that the ending of Prometheus will not be the start of Alien. The Space Jockey found in Alien was fossilised (IE millions of years old), and Prometheus is set 30 years before Alien.It must be another Jockey that the story of Prometheus is about. We already know that some of Prometheus is set millions of years in the past, so maybe that is where the Space Jockey on LV-426 will be wrote into the story.Either that, or god forbid, it has time travel in it.

If only they could start after Aliens and rewrite the story from there.

Theusprom, I never thought about it like that. I guess it would probably be better to tell a story about a different Space Jockey(s) and not so much about that particular one we see in the Derelict Ship. That would keep the mysterious aspect of his arrival there in tact. The audience will be able to make the connection to that particular Jockey once they see how the events in Prometheus unfold and their connection to the Alien creature itself. I did wonder if they tried to explain what happened to the fossilized Space Jockey, how they could account for the level of decay in just 30 years time? I think your point sounds more plausible.

Yeah, I do hope they tie the Jockey,from Alien, into the story somehow. From what I've been picking up, they find something on earth which leads them to the Engineer (s), wake him/them up, have a chat, piss him/them off and then it all kicks off.I think the end of the second movie, if they make it, will lead more into Alien. Can't wait :)

Well hopefully this first movie lives up to our expectations AND does well enough at the box office to warrant a sequel. That's a hard combo to pull-off.

Getting back on topic here, I think some unique twists are going to be taken at the end of the film. I can't help but think that several members of the expedition are going to come to a grisly end by means of being killed and/or transformed by the material held within the urns/capsules. I wonder if they will become the new xenomorphs that have been mentioned? I think Charlize Theron's character Vickers won't live to see the end, seeing that she was originally intended to be a throw-away character in the early script by Lindelof but has since been expanded more to accomodate her high-profile status. Still, should be interesting to see what she is about and if she has a pivotal part in the end if she makes it that long. Another thing I would like to see is the David character somehow surviving the mission and living to report his findings back to the Company. Maybe this is where Guy Pearce's role will come in. It doesn't appear from the pics we have seen so far that he is part of the expedition that makes contact with the Space Jockeys. Perhaps he is affiliated with the Company and plays more of a political figure rather than an explorer/scientist. Well those are some of my theories bouncing around in my head at this point. Anybody care to share what they think is going to happen?

A lot of people are guessing that some of the crew are going to "transform" into something. It is an interresting hypothesis, but could the ALIEN really be just a human science project? It will be interresting to see how this all plays out.

what i want to know: i wonder what happened to the rest of the crew. like Lambert said and now so do i. i would love to see that happen in the next sequel: Prometheus II. should be a fun mystery.

Simple. there was no rest of the crew. The Space Jockey was it, I always that it was an odd comment by Lambert to make. Then again Lambert was weird transsexual gender based character to begin with. I still believe the ship was a warship that loves to drop little eggies on unuspecting planets to wipe out the population but leave the technology in tact. This ship just happened to let an eggie loose and it killed the Jockey which forced the ship to crash. Pretty simple. What isn't simple.....How the heck did the Company know?!? If that question isn't answered....my life will have no meaning.

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If Ash says deep cold, then why does Dallas seem to get excited when Ash says it. Dallas says, "Ah hah." Saying deep cold doesn't make sense- it isn't a scientific term. Sounds like that part of the script didn't make sense and they did a last minute change, maybe.

The question is, How long did the company at the time know about the ship and what other knowledge they have. I am sure at this time they had many ships out and about exploring...so what did they find?

So Scott is going to use what Cameron created, which is surprising to me since Scott did not like what Cameron did to the Alien...interesting. You know as humans, we always mess something up... "Hey...Look something cool looking, I am going to take this despite what those big ol aliens thingys said to me." Thus the story begins...

I was under the assumption that Ash joined them on Earth, Ripley asks Dallas how well did he know ash and Dallas replied he only knew so much. So, Ash was planted on Earth before they departed or from the planet they came from with the load. being that the ship was there pinging it's emergency beacon, did the company stumble upon it or will Prometheus answer that question. you have to wonder what role will those Androids play in Prometheus. Are they the villains other than Vickers (Theron). Nommi will be a droid prob..lol....but will be interesting to see.

Cain1977 - From the original movie Alien, Dallas talking to Ripley in corridor: "I shipped out three times before with the same science officer. Two days before we left Daedalus they replaced him with Ash."

I thought this discussion was about computer displays?

It was, but we're trying to pinpoint why the Nostromo might look older. It was a more beat-up spacefaring vehicle. A science vessel would probably be equipped with much better, maybe even cutting edge, technology.

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There was a similar issue with the Star Wars prequels in that computer displays and holograms were much more advanced in The Phantom Menace than they were in A New Hope some 30 years later.

I would assume that if this film pans out well, he will make it as Fox will see how much gumba they can make off this. They know alot of people will see the movie because of Scott and the Alien connection. if there is a sequel, will Scott leave us hanging at the end of this film?

Cain1977, that may very well be so, but on your point of there being a possible cliffhanger, if Fox think that it may bring low returns, then what of a resolution to that cliffhanger? The follow-up would have to be made surely? But Scott could really skew us and leave it hanging forever, which in a way would be perversely appealing in itself.

Well, If I had the power, I would def start after Aliens and restart the series from there to keep the story going and diminish 3 and four. It would be a chance to bring back the series and make it better and well, have a better plot. As for realistically doing a cliff hanger, he can keep this story going and run parallel to Alien, within the same universe. I am sure that the writer can run a story that runs along with Alien but not attached to Alien.

I know what you're saying, Jonesy. The Nostromo just "happened" to be out in the right spot at the right time. They swapped out the science officer w/ Ash and allowed it to "resume course" and pass through the sector their little treasure was sitting in. The Prometheus is presumably a science vessel so it would be top of the line. Even in Alien 3, once they become aware of the Queen gestating inside Ripley, they expedite the science team's trip, where in Aliens they said it would take 17 days for a rescue team to arrive once they were declared overdue.

We emailed FOX a couple months ago purposing a merchandise campaign in which we offered to make, produce and giveaway PROMETHEUS T-shirts and ball caps, but they turned down our purposal on grounds of copyright violations. They said that if we were to go ahead and create merchandise with their Prometheus logo in association with our site address that it would violate their intellectual property agreements. So as far as clothing merchandise goes, I would say none right now. As for novels, comics, etc... who knows. Probably won't see any of that untuil the movie is released or very close to the release date.

I know what you mean, and I thought the same thing, but here's my excuse: The Nostromo at the time of Alien (2122) is said to be about 20 years old making year of manufacture about 2102. Prometheus takes place 30 years before Alien in about 2092 so lets guess that the Prometheus ship has been recently constructed and is no more than 5 years old making date of manufacture about 2087. So lets say Prometheus (the spacecraft) is about 15 years older than The Nostromo. As the Prometheus mission is one of scientific exploration, I would expect the spacecraft to be of an extremely high specification and use the very latest technology of the time. The Nostromo was basically a truck in space so only needed the minimum tech to get by. Compare a vehicle built today for scientific exploration to the North Pole. Lets say its some kind of hi-tech all terrain snow mobile to carry and exploration team. Inside are all the very latest computers and scientific equipment. Now compare this to a road haulage truck built in 15 years time, I don't think it would alter vastly and change much from a truck built today. It may have a sat-nav but technology-wise would look quite low-tech compared to the North Pole vehicle in the way Nostromo would look to Prometheus. Do you see what I'm getting at?

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I'm the original Jonesy! you can be the one from Aliens!

Ash didn't say "deep cold" by the way. He said "deep coal."

Hey Grik, You know...I used to think Ash said "deep coal" as well. But years ago, I went back and read that section of the final script...and it reads as follows: ASH Rock, lava base. And cold... well below the centrigrade line. So, I think he does say "deep cold" in the film...not "deep coal". By the way, this post is intended to be informative and friendly, hopefully it's not too didactic. Peace, Neurion

Hey guys, Just to clarify, I think that the Weyland-Yutani Company is a great story device as well. Especially because when ALIEN was released in 1979…and in the ’70s, so many films featured “the government” as the “heavy” or villain…it was refreshing and fairly unique for a corporation to be an antagonist. However, I think that in the ALIEN series…the “Company” as the bad guys has been done to death. It was Weyland-Yutani with mineral ore in ALIEN, then again with Terraforming in ALIENS, and yet a third time with a mostly shut down smelting plant manned by criminals. Aren’t there any other companies…operating in space? Or how about smaller, privately owned space projects? After all…this is happening in the 2100s (I think…right?). Anyways, it just seems too connected, convenient, unrealistic, and “George Lucasy” to me. At least Lucas after first two BEST STAR WARS films (in my opinion). ~Neurion P.S. Ruhaniya…you crack me up! Haha

I think that Ridley Scott is moving to abandon the "ALIEN" mythos with "Prometheus". He hopes to utilize the then Original "Alien" feel and atmosphere to concieve something utterly diffrent in texture. Also he wants us to see more of this universe and its possible diversities (ala the "Star Wars" universe). If you look at the whole "Alien"franchise it kind of explains itself with "AVP" in part as prequel to explain how the Aliens were brought to earth by the "Predators" (from another franchise) for sport and the subsequent discovery by Weyland Yutani Corp. of their dormant (up to that point) existance in Alaska. "AVP Requiem" unfortunately added nothing beyond the previous film that was useful. thus the reboot idea was concocted by 20th Century Fox. Now Ridley liked what he did, but he can't see remaking it. And he would be right, the original was as close to a perfect piece of work as you can get and shouldnt be messed with further. We will see the "Alien creatures" again, but the Jockey and others will figure more prominently in this new story. We'll have to be patient and see Ridley's new original story when it arrives to the screen.

Perhaps this interview with Ridley Scott could help figure some things out: [url=http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45454]http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45454[/url] Some excerpts: -The prequel will go further into the world of terraforming and will focus on the realities of what it takes to leave for another planet. He mentioned the theory of Near Faster-Than-Light travel, which is complete science fiction at the moment; “Mr. Spock stuff” as he called it, rearranging matter essentially, but theoretically possible. “But what we’re allowed to do by movies is to cheat like hell. But I think the closer it is to the truth, the closer it is to the technological feasibility then it becomes that much more interesting. And if it’s a film like the one I’m going to do, then it becomes that much more frightening.” - On the Space Jockey: “I think beneath that carcass… it’s not a carcass, it’s a suit. Inside the suit is a being.” An interesting hint at to what he’s doing with the prequels, perhaps?

I think The Company should in involed in some way. We do know this film will feature androids, now maybe The Company does not know anything about the Jockey/Alien when they send PROMETHEUS out but when it all goes to hell for the crew like we know it is going to, mybe an android can escape and tell The Company what happand.

As for this movie, I think the real mystery lies with how the Space Jockeys interact with the humans and how the urns/capsules figure into all of this. I for one can't wait to see what new direction they take the series to in this movie and believe it will be just as terrifying as the original. Very interested in seeing how the Space Jockeys will interact with the humans, will they be benevolent or do they see humans as a threat? Just getting the chance to see a Space Jockey that's alive on film for the first time will be worth the price of the movie ticket for me!

Hey there Mr. Jonze! Welcome to the Prometheus Movie forums! If I am correct, I believe the Queen itself will NOT be featured in Prometheus for a few reasons; going by press release interviews and write-ups of the film already: [i]- The Queen was intriduced by James Cameron, not Ridley Scott and took the "ALIEN" in a new direction; one that Ridley Scott was not too fond of. Turning the Alien into more of a "bug" rather than a mysterious life form. - The plot of Prometheus is to revolve around the Space Jockey and dive into the discovery or creation of what lead up to the creation of the facehugger - as far as I know. - The Alien itself is said to be different, so the inclusion of an Alien Queen would not be expected.[/i] However, this topic could be taken in many ways, maybe the Queen itself is a genetic mutation of the Alien gene and is nature's way of breaking free from the Space Jockey's control in an attempt to preserve the species and grow. Even in a deleted scene in the first ALIEN, which Ridley Scott DID direct, it shows the Alien cocooning its victims. This could all be linked to the formation of the Queen and ultimately the Alien's way of adapting, thriving and growing. Many theories are floating about around this time regarding what will be explained, what will be introduced and what familiarities will we be exposed to, but the truth of the matter Jonze is that nobody knows for sure yet. But if we manage to get any answers we will be sure to post them up for you. Anyone else care to share a theory?

I do kind of agree with Ridley's assessment of the Queen Alien. Even though it was cool seeing something new and even more terrifying than just the alien drone in Aliens, I think the introduction of the Queen somewhat de-mystified the mysterious aspect that made the Alien so scary to begin with. As Praetorian mentioned, the deleted scene where Ripley finds Dallas and Brett coccooned in the bottom of the Nostromo really added more mystery to the Alien and was way more creepier than seeing the Queen Alien lay eggs to propogate the species. I think Ridley will go further back in this movie and show what came prior the Alien egg/facehugger. My guess this is where the urns/capsules will come into play. To answer your question Jonze, no I really doubt the Queen will appear in this film. Everything I've read thus far seems to suggest that what will appear in this film will be something entirely different and bigger than what we were introduced to in Alien. That and of course, the Space Jockey itself. Which I would be totally satisfied seeing just them on the big screen for the first time. June 8th can't come quick enough!

Neurion wrote "I hope that the new film PROMETHEUS makes no mention of The Company-Weyland Yutani " Not me - the Company seems in many ways the perfect counterpart to the ruthless collective that is the Alien strain. Ditto the cold-eyed monsters working for United Systems Military in 'Resurrection'. These characters chill me because they aren't so far from the toxicity to be found around (and above) us, more close to home than the fantastic grotesquerie of the Alien itself. Impressed and very excited by the leaked pics but can't see anything there that gives the film the scope alluded to in that recent leaked "Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth" synopsis. Or am I missing something? R

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Dear “ASTROGLIDE”, Someone as opinionated as yourself, should really have THEIR facts straight before they criticize their intellectual superiors. Okay ASStro, let’s start with the location of the eggs. I have little doubt that the Space Jockey vessel did originally contain a cargo of alien eggs somewhere in it’s interiors, even though it is never shown in the original film. I say that the vessel landed or crashed, one way or another on it’s mountain top perch. The question is: Was the egg chamber previously prepared/ built or did the Space jockey(s) build it after their most recent arrival. Either way…something obviously went wrong and there was an Alien outbreak. Hence, the chestbursted Jockey. I am very aware of Derelict interiors as depicted in the original ALIEN film. I still hold that if a person has any sense of scale…they will ultimately conclude that the egg chamber is within the mountain or rock formation upon which the ship is sitting. If I were you, I would take a closer look at the scenes involving the Derelict ship in ALIEN and ALIENS. If you use your gray matter, you may notice that the ship in ALIENS has sustained further damage during 57 years...which was not due to a crash. The following corroborates my view that the Derelict may have originally landed normally (not crashed). ______________________________________________________________________________ An Excerpt from: THE BLOODY BEST OF FANGORIA f6. This essay, Cameron's reply to readers' letters on ALIENS, was addressed to the Communications department but is published here as part of the ongoing SF professionals' forum, Other Voices. By James Cameron "Why do the colonists not pick up the derelict SOS?" by which I assume he is referring to the acoustic beacon broadcasting a "warning." As some readers may know, scenes were filmed but cut from the final release version of the film which depicted the discovery of the derelict by a mom-and-pop geological survey (i.e.: prospecting) team. As scripted, they were given the general coordinates of its position by the manager of the colony, on orders from Carter Burke. It is not directly stated, but presumed, that Burke could only have gotten that information from Ripley or from the black-box flight recorder aboard the shuttle Narcissus, which accessed the Nostromo's on-board computer. When the Jordan family, including young Newt, reach the coordinates, they discover the derelict ship. Since we and the Nostromo crew last saw it, it has been damaged by volcanic activity, a lava flow having crushed it against a rock outcropping and ripped open its hull. Aside from considerations of visual interest, this serves as a justification for the acoustic beacon being non-operational.” _______________________________________________________________ So there you have it…right from Jimmy Cameron’s own keystrokes. By the way, if you slow down actually read my previous post, you will see that I was actually criticizing the idea of the “stolen Terraforming technology”. Dude, you really should “think” before you bark. It’s alright…I forgive you. Your post reveals you to be fairly immature and or ignorant. No worries…I can pardon youthful indiscretion. After all, I was probably watching ALIEN at Hollywood Egyptian Theater before your parents even met. You are my lucky star, Neurion P.S. I hope this post doesn’t come off as too hostile. It’s just that your response to me was soooo smart assy…I just couldn’t help it. Still friends in Alien?