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Thank you Cerulean Blue. Below is an enhanced, wider version of the mural that includes the section now visible with the facehuggers and Engineers BigDave and drucea were referring to above.
Hard to say, but I would go with a thriller.
*Just a quick edit.
You are most welcome drucea.
"After seeing these, I'm completely convinced the xenomorph was either derived from the DNA of this creature or was evolved from it. Aside from the points on the elbows like the xenomorph, has anyone noticed that the beaked creature almost has "double fingers" or something like that?"
Below is an image of the xenomorph hand that looks very similar to the hands holding the egg above.
The "beak" on the creature that we see in the mural may be tendrils like the example shown in David's drawing below further supporting a theory of revival (by David) in regards to the sleeping horror of the xenomorph.
Thank you for the A,B,and C sketches BigDave. Especially the Starbeast...great historical concept reference.
The Prometheus punishment is also a very great point and could support other Engineers or their superiors taking action against the Engineers on LV-223 or elsewhere in the past and the revelation that comes with that.
There was obviously a disagreement that led to the death of the LV-223 Engineers and the mural may be a representation of the gifts of the mutagen and/or warning.
"Thus gives good reason for why those Engineers on Paradise did not fear the incoming Juggernaught at First, because the return of these ships means a Sacrifice would be chosen and then Immortalized in Stone as one of the Statues in the Courtyard.
There are holes to this theory though.... One being the revelation that Planet 4/Paradise actually had more Juggernauts Docked.. But this was never in the Theatrical Cut and also the admission of more Ships kind of adds to some Plot Holes as to why the Hell David was stuck on Paradise and needed to attract a Human Ship."
David may not have been stuck at all BigDave but could have been waiting on his "flock" to further experiment on.
@drucea
Indeed thats the same observation i made 5 years ago...
some things to consider...
A) This is on of HR Gigers Earlier Facehugger Concepts, it appears in the Mural in Prometheus at bottom left. This Face Hugger has a beaked like resemblance. Note also the Bald Headed Humanoid who has a suit that is not to dissimilar to the Engineer in Prometheus.
B) This is Dan O'Bannons sketch for the Starbreast (Story/Draft that Alien Evolved from) and this design was O'Bannons idea, which he changed his mind when he came across HR Gigers Work, which he showed to Ridley Scott and RS said thats IT, not that O'Bannons Alien Creature is not too dissimilar to the Prometheus Fresco or even HR Gigers other Face Hugger concept.
C) Is the Egg/Spore room from Starbeast, this had a Mural in it and is very like the Mural Room in Prometheus, we can see how Prometheus may have taken some ideas from the Starbeast Sacrifice Room. Note the Altar has under it objects that look like the Eggs, not that the Sacrificial Creature is Basic, but it could look like a Ant with Mandibles or a Beak, you could even make comparisons with O'Bannons Creature.
Finally also coming from this creature is a Chest Buster that is very Octopoid like and looks similar to the Adult Trilobite in Prometheus.
Thats not to say any of this connects, its just i can see similarities and indeed its these kind of connections i was going to explore with my Prometheus 2 draft, that would have been explained in my 3rd but i abandoned them a few years ago as my draft mainly covered the Seeds of the Weyland-Yutani Merger, with a smaller portion that followed David and Shaw and the Engineers...
Thats a interesting new take on it Ingeniero indeed it does look like Riding Boots or indeed Long Boots as worn by Military/Naval leaders in our History.
The Digits on the Creatures back again a interesting idea, to hint that the creature is a extension of the Engineer, that could certainly be the case.
These Fresco's were one of the KEY important things for me in Prometheus, its a question of DID they actually mean anything, or were they simply just added because they are kind of cool and kind of would give a bit of Xeno DNA to the movie?
It appeared to be a massive clue to me, but the movie was so ambiguous that we can maybe read into things too much and also who knows what connection IF ANY there is now with the WAY FOX are re-writing the Lore a little.
To me i thought and would still like to think these Fresco's are a connection between the Engineers and some Creature that is related to the Xenomorph, i feel the Mural also fits with this and the Black Goo also has to be linked with the Mural and Fresco's
How this connects, is anyone's guess and if it NOW connects or no longer does, or if it EVER did is anyone's guess.
It could be taken as though the Creature is being Subjugated by the Engineer as the creature has a submissive stance, but to me it also has a Fetal Position, indicating it is Born/New.
Just as in these concepts...
Thats how i saw the Creatures Posture...
As for the whole Fresco, some thought it was very much the GOD and ADAM from the Sistine Chapel, which it could be as it would mean the Engineer is the Creator of the Creature as God is with Adam, but the poses look different to me, the Engineer looks to be in suffering and we have the Scar on the Engineer that looks very similar to what Dr Shaw had after she had the Trilobite removed via C-Section.
Also if this links to the Mural, the Fresco creature does not quite look like the Deacon in the Mural.
My interpretation of the Fresco, is that it looks a lot like this PROMETHEUS PUNISHMENT Fresco. Which i made this comparison a while ago.
Prometheus/Engineers Head are the same pose, the Legs similar too and where the Eagle is pecking at Prometheus Liver we see the Scar on the Engineer.
Looking back at the Fetal Pose of the Creature and those same pose by the Deacon New Born Concepts.... i believe the Engineers or a Engineer was Punished by the Gods for Stealing/Misusing the Fire/Knowledge or maybe Sacrificial Goo. Or something that connects to similar to Prometheus antics in the Greek Mythos.
And he/they was Punished by something that lead to that creature in the Mural.... I believed that this did not completely destroy those Engineers.
But actually it was seen as a Sign to them, as it actually gave them a way to Give Birth to New Life... so they actually saw the results of the Punishment as a Revelation.
I believe they then used the Sacrificial Goo to experiment on this Creature and after many experiments they finally Created the Deacon, and they Held this Creature in high Regard as Perfection.
They then chose to Worship it, and use its DNA to Evolve Life rather than their own Engineer DNA... Hence those Urns.. "Sometimes to Create One Must Destroy"
And so to replace and evolve Life into Life that now has this more Perfect DNA...
Thats just my Two Cents... which i feel parts of Alien Covenant add to, as i feel the Planet 4 Purpose was to collect Sacrifices, to be broken down into Material Stored into Urns and dropped onto worlds to Evolve them as a more Advanced and More Effective means than the Ancient individual Sacrifices (Prometheus Prologue)
Thus gives good reason for why those Engineers on Paradise did not fear the incoming Juggernaught at First, because the return of these ships means a Sacrifice would be chosen and then Immortalized in Stone as one of the Statues in the Courtyard.
There are holes to this theory though.... One being the revelation that Planet 4/Paradise actually had more Juggernauts Docked.. But this was never in the Theatrical Cut and also the admission of more Ships kind of adds to some Plot Holes as to why the Hell David was stuck on Paradise and needed to attract a Human Ship.
Thanks for putting up these lightened images. I've never really looked into much of the detail of these characters until now. After seeing these, I'm completely convinced the xenomorph was either derived from the DNA of this creature or was evolved from it. Aside from the points on the elbows like the xenomorph, has anyone noticed that the beaked creature almost has "double fingers" or something like that? Definitely looks like two sets of nails/claws on each finger, and each looks like it might even have two sets of bones running through them. The fingers holding the ovomorph are also definitely the hands of the beaked creature, judging by the double finger/claws thing. Lastly, I've always wondered why the xenomorph hands always had fingers connecting. I think the beaked creature DNA mixed with human-ish DNA might allow the beaked creatures fingers to evolve more into human like fingers, just remaining somewhat connected. Sorry for the long post, I'm kind of thinking out loud, or through the keyboard.
Looks nice so far. Reminds me of the Arrow-class ship (USCMC Recon Ship) the Excursionists have, in The Rage War. Personally i would've gone with a turreted torpedo/missile system but that's just a question of taste. :) Not meant as critique.
Keep it up.
For some reason i'm thinking of Tau attack drones. Those little fellas can use standard infantry weaponry.
Considering NECA stopped production, I ordered a couple of these. One for me and another for...well...perhaps a lucky and alert member down the road.
Give me my purgative- I have to go to work!
To me, that creature seems closely related to the xenomorph. In the picture above we can see similarities on the shoulder, arm, spin on the elbow and fingers between the two. Those five ridges remind me of the xenomorph's ribcage.
The engineers' pressure suit seems to be inspired by that morphology as well.
I hope we'll see more of that creature in the next film.
The picture is of the Big Chap from Kotobukiya and I could not upload it properly (vertically).
Ill start with a visual quote.
Hahaha nice! this site needs more Monty Python references lol.
I like the sounds of a BigDave brew!!!
The Covenant.
