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@Space JOC

Breeding beetles on Earth is not practical, but since they visited us in the past, if that species did not belong to their world they might have been impressed by its size and qualities that they might have taken specimens to breed to create the best weapon suitable for the destruction of life on Earth. Anyway I don't buy this 'the engineers created us and suddenly they changed their minds' stuff I think they are an arrogant brutal race like the Titans in mythology. As I said earlier their sun was dying and they were searching for a place to start again '...they don't deserve to start again and I will not let them...' in David's own words.

As I also said earlier they are more advanced than us for sure, but still there might be technologies that they hadn't explored like electronics, computing and telecommunications (their atmosphere was charged and that limited the capability of transmitting voice and picture and they might have never come up with idea of transmitting waves---interpret them with computers in bits .....and then bits into bytes and each byte in a color of a pixel ...) like the ones we have (not a single satellite around their planet, not a single industrial era like building etc). The distress signal sent by Shaw had to do with David in my opinion, the engineers as absurd as it may sound didn't posses this 'magic' that proved to be their doom, David learned their ways and used human cunningness to destroy them. They were also arrogant because they didn't think that someone else other than them might be capable of using their ships and didn't develop a safe procedure for that case i.e. if the ship spotted other life species willing to take control to follow a self-destruction process, they thought they were the gods of the universe.

@Capt Torgo, I am more than happy to disagree with you.

David told many lies in this movie. The crew obviously had no reason to expect he was a liar until his deception became obvious. You may recall that Oram did have laser sights trained on David's heart and the only reason he didn't shoot him there and then was because he wanted the facts of the situation.

Oram didn't stick his head into the egg. He was still a fair distance away when the facehugger leaped out. Maybe Oram didn't get the memo from you that he was in an Alien movie. And maybe you didn't get the message that he was Head of Life Sciences and might just have a gripping interest in that kind of thing.

"You're going to tell me what's going on here or I will seriously fuck up your perfect composure" is a great line. It's actually pretty funny in a black humour way.

It may have gone right over your head, but referring to seeing the Devil as a child was a reference to Oram's early experiences of evil in the form of child abuse. It's not trash dialogue at all. Far from it.

One thing I did notice was that the screenwriters added more dialogue than was strictly necessary, and this was doubtless in no small part because of the hordes of sub-par reviewers who unfairly criticised Prometheus. For example, in this movie it's not enough to explain that a shockwave hit the ship; it actually has to be spelled out in stark and concrete terms what it is to get past the Prometheus-type critics. There are many other similar example that you can spot if you look for them.

@Cerulean Blue, AC dwelled on some pretty lofty concepts like free will, evil, creation and slavery. Your comment doesn't really bear up.

It does not say Fox "is reassessing". Two of the articles just reference THR. THR just says "Fox will have to reassess", but there has been no statement from Fox about anything.

It just sounds like typical unsourced Hollywood media opinion to me.

Yes, according to THR (The Hollywood Reporter) sources, Fox is reassessing two intended sequels.  I think only one is warranted... a tie in from 'Alien: Covenant' to 'Alien' and be done with it.  However, it may require a 2 1/2 hour movie.

I just read that article. It says "sources say Fox will have to reassess two intended sequels".

So Fox has said nothing of the sort. THR did.

I liked 'Prometheus', but did not like 'Alien: Covenant' (same for my wife, who is not as big a fan as I am).  I think Fox should allow Ridley Scott one more movie to redeem himself and tie everything in to 'Alien'.  Leaving it hang where it is now would be a poor decision as I think it would alienate (pun intended) fans of both movies and the franchise as a whole.  I personally would like to see the Engineers get much more screen time in the tie in from 'Alien: Covenant' to 'Alien' if it ever happens.

And sorry Blomkamp, I am done with Ripley.  I have no interest in her story.

NO MORE RIPLEY! Get back to the direction Prometheus was going and continue the Engineer storyline!

The biomachanical "suits" of skin we saw on the LV-223 Engineers had ports to allow them to connect directly to the hypersleep pods. They may have also allowed for direct connections to the pilot chair, although nothing in Prometheus indicated that. Presumably they were engineered with that bio skin due to the job they had to do.

We saw no Engineers with biomechanical skins on planet 4, and the ones who piloted the docking ship would have had no need to connect to a hypersleep pod.

At this point, from my pointy of view, we really have nothing to lose.  I have lost faith in RS.  He shoots a great movie but these stories are way off the mark.  Hell, I'd be for starting from scratch with one, brand new single Alien prequel...then follow up with something after Aliens.

The franchise is cursed.

Fox need to RS booked in to finish this up so they can move forward.

We had a u-turn after Prometheus and we got A:C

Now the person who was delivering this vision is off doing other things. So either Fox dont want him or RS dont see it as a priority.

Fans lose every time

EDIT: Ripley return is a bad idea on so many levels IMO

"the question then is why the enineers would want to create bioweapons like the deacon when they could just drop the black goo on their enemys. unless maybe the deacons were created for science not war."

I thought this was an interesting question & I likened it to this:

Some people, or (The Elders/Sacrificial Engineers) are gardeners & have always loved the flower of the poppy plant.

Some other person, or (The LV223 Engineers), experimented with the poppy plant & discovered that by slitting the bulb, the plant tries to heal itself by oozing a black liquid, that, if processed in a certain way, is very dangerous to humans!

Just thinking out loud again!

Guys, When I found out David just rolled in there & bombed the Engineers/Humanoids/Planet 4 Inhabitants, I almost did not go see AC.  I saw it once & I think that was enough?  Very low-hanging fruit AC was as compared to Prometheus.  AC left me feeling there were no more concepts to discuss, or at most 5 concepts as compared to the endless possibilities presented in Prometheus.  Simple minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, but great minds talk about concepts!  AC is very average-minded, IMHO.

@BigDave - Maybe the Aztecs & the Incas, etc did not die off as we thought, but were taken by the Engineers to another planet?  Good stuff!

NO more Riple, NO matter what.

What's wrong with a totally unique script? Why is it one or the other? Entertain ALL possibilities!

They see the fourth dimension? So the concept of beauty/elegant etc of their world is not similar..?

Just about them being primitive as far as the eye can see, I recall for some reason was there an interview in the Prometheus extras or original script that the Engineers have a heightened sense of sight so maybe we just aren't able to see? As I say, I'm only speculating but as far as I remember, I definitely heard/saw that somewhere that their sight is different to ours? Love the topic too by the way!

But if the beetle originated in Africa and is obviously the source of their ability to create/destroy, why would they wipe it out by dropping the goo on earth? Or maybe that's exactly why they were trying to destroy life on earth to spite the elders or ruling Engineers, I'm not arguing with your theory but more so trying to understand it if that makes sense? Maybe the lv223 Engineers wanted to destroy the source so but then if the beetle was the source, I'd imagine they would have successfully introduced them to a new ecosystem/planet of their own so as to have easier access besides travelling half way around the universe! It's intriguing really!

Well said Ali, yeah there was just so much potential and the lead up was just great. Rebellions are built on hope! I'm glad many here do enjoy AC but I'm glad this site seems to lead ........where we respect that we each have different tastes. Blaming Bug(aliens) fans for issues or Ridley fans vs Cameron fans is just no good for anybody. Personally I'm just heartbroken over my busted theories and dashed hopes of Paradise/AC.......... already watched 8 times but I will not buy this Blu-ray until a few years until it's dirt cheap on eBay. My favorite statement somebody said was 'Prometheus shot in the head by Covenant"! David creating xenos and huggers is kinda cool, super fast growth rate/incubation=fine. But like Ali said with the terrible characters and their unbelievable dialogue/lack of=unforgivable. 

Hox- David tells Oram and gang it's safe at his necropolis....... Rosenthal munched and Oram still follows David after the Android tries to prevent the murder of his demon.....then Oram sees his Zoological lab of DEMONS and still won't shoot David.....to then stick his head into a egg. Not to mention Oram says "I saw the devil as a child" or I will ruin your posture.........this is trash elitist dialouge from Ridley and the box office has spoken. Glad you enjoyed it

I agree with Sherris. I don see how he stripped Walters clothes and put them on fast enough to make the escape. However, everything else in the film uses magic time leaps so I assume he had more time to change clothes and he already had his embryos swallowed so he just needed to wack his wrist. What does bother me is Ridley does not show us the wound on his chin so that Daniels can notice it's David before closing her pod. Also, she really should have quizzed the Android to confirm which one she was dealing with but whatever. Most people would check if dealing with identical twins and one is bat shit crazy and your life depends on knowing which twin is which.  There is no way that David replaces or steals Walters microchip imbedded inside his Android cranium.

All very good and interesting ideas.

BD, I'd love to see your ideas as a bona fide novel or movie...!

If Scott had this in mind I think he is a genius, the engineers didn't advance in the fields we had advanced and seemed to have created a technology based on biology, I wouldn't be surprised if their ships were made from the DNA of seashells. So their weapons since they don't have missiles, laser beams, nuclear bombs etc must come from nature directly and what better choice than those monster like microorganisms being mutated to human like size. I have read somewhere that in David's notes it is written that although advanced hundreds of thousands years ahead of us, binary logic never occurred to them, that's why I believe that their ships couldn't transmit information remotely about cargo-pilot-mission status and had to go back to handle it to their database in paradise(?), unlike our transistors and silicon circuits which can transmit info without having to go back like David did in the end. David knew that until they understood what was going on, they would have been eliminated he found their weak point. Advanced yes but limited to a small fraction of science, maybe they feared mankind's cunningness and decided to eliminate us before it was too late for them and they proved right since David did it for us. Even they had a weak point, no binary logic not bits no bytes no remote control, no defense systems (there was not a single trace of a satellite like construction in their planet), no transmission of information from their ships (that's why they were so happy to see a ship from which they didn't hear from for thousands of years and didn't know where it was and if its mission was successful), advanced but primitive at the same time with those ancient buildings ancient aesthetic and lack of electronics.

I know what you're saying about the alien:Engineers script but it was scrapped so technically isn't in the Alien universe.... yet ha

I'm not saying I'm right but I will be extremely disappointed if the black goo comes from a beetle, or the xeno is just a giant beetle 

@Space JOC

Then how do you explain the insect like creatures that ate the engineers and how do you explain that in David's room there are depictions and stuffed beetles (the two biggest of their kind the royal and megasoma elephas) on his wall. Look again at the scene in which Walter observes the wall in the flute scene. The Xeno has an insect like behavior a like bees' social structure.

David, humans, Walter and the vengeful engineers who will try to punish David. Xenos and other life forms don't count.

I'd probably go down the Ash route also.

Have him or her played by a well known actor.

Start by setting up the premise: Ash can upload or download his program(soul)into any synthetic body it desires.   The ultimate spy!

Have a scene where Ash walks by storage cylinder loaded with different synthetic bodies...one of the bodies is the Ash(Ian Holm) from A L I E N. He(or she) can chose any synth body that enhances the mission. Small boy/girl, old man/woman, etc......

Maybe CGI a scene where it uses the Ash body from A L I E N.....then back to another body(the actor playing the new Ash)

Tell the story.

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at the end of the movie, Ash is ripped in two and destroyed.  The protagonist celebrates Ash's death!

The End.......

But then a drone, sent by Mother, recovers the Ash body and returns it to the lab.

Ash is uploaded in the Ian Holm body and given new mission orders

Then have the final scene: Ian Holm boarding the Nostromo.

No Space Jockey backstory...that remains mysterious. (Future Alien movies can explore the origins of the Space Jockey race.)

I'm pretty sure, the xenomorph is going to be an improvement based on David's Protomorph since it resembles the Big Chap closer than the Protomorph did, also it makes sense that way:

Neomorph to Protomorph to Xenomorph.

I'm pretty sure the Deacon was the engineer's version of the xenomorph which actually looks closer to being a weaponized neomorph or a mix of neomorph and xenomorph.

Also just note, I'm tired of a lot of people around the net bringing up Alien vs Predator and Alien Ressurection as if its the original xenomorph which is untrue since Alien Ressurection/AVP xenomorphs lack the biomechanical features of the Big Chap from Alien. So in essence they are just as organic looking as the Protomorph, except the Protomorph's has more similarities to the big chap minus the biomechanical features.....at least as far as Tail, hands, and Head are concerned.

Walter stabs and cuts David multiple times and noting.I dont think David can reach his neck or take Walter down, because Walter is faster thats how he beats David.

agree to put Ash in the prequel, linking his relationship with the Company and see how he's connected to David. Also we need put Jonesy in the prequel, he is badass. 

cool.

Thanks Timmy, I'll check the video out on my lunch break, as I said I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, I love the mystery of the lore 

here is a youtube video that i found researching the topic. it was made begore alien covenant though so it isn't exactly the newest theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDEtVXRq6Y

I agree, I'm just speculating because I love the show and hope we get an explanation which blows us all away! I keep wondering myself why the deacon was created when the goo does the same job really for them! I like the theory that they saw it as some sort of twisted childbirth after they were ousted by the Elders or tossed from Paradise and the lv223 Engineers were hell bent on revenge of sorts

it would be nice to get some scenes exploring the mother juggernaut.

this is a really strange question: if the jaugernauts were organically grown, dose that mean they could be weaponized by the black goo? just a really random thing that I just thought of.

Wouldn't those have preasuresuits? How would he remove that? ^

thats actually a very good point about the experimental humans.

the question then is why the enineers would want to create bioweapons like the deacon when they could just drop the black goo on their enemys. unless maybe the deacons were created for science not war. 

not debunking your theory. just sort of wondering about certain things. I might be wrong but it seems to me like the engineers are willing to sacrafice there own people for science assuming that the opening scene in prometheous was indeed a sacrifice.

I forgot you were only speculating and got a bit carried away ha, sorry about that Timmy, I don't think I've ever taken a film so seriously as Prometheus

Exactly, it's fun to speculate too ha, I suppose that's why it's called a theory, o wasn't trying to offend either or anything, I must be after watching Prometheus 10 times lately to try and see any more clues since Covenant!

I'm not saying I'm right but you can't discount anything! At this stage we can speculate anything ha, is it possible humans were there for experimental purposes on lv223 at some stage, unjust speculating! I just hope Ridley gives us the film we deserve in Awakening that might explain to us or leave the clues we deserve! They have to go back to lv223

and, in my repliy i said nothing other than exactly what happened in prometheous.