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Xenothinker
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Hey there, I know there are a lot of theories on the variations of the Xeno itself, but I am surprised to not have seen this one. This also will be a conglomeration of my theories for the entire Alien series.
Xeno ideas;
The smooth head vs the ridged debate. I like the theory of the differences being based on environment or social placement within a hive, but there is another take not yet explored - the age of the creature. In Alien and Alien 3 we are seeing freshly "born" Xenos where the ones in Aliens are at the very minimum 11 months old (since LV-426 is said to be 11 months from earth in Alien). Just like a human baby, the visual appearance is smooth and un-tainted, but as it grows definition and stretching occurs. Perhaps ridges are indictive of a creature's age. We also don't know how long some of those Xenos, like the queen, have even been alive. Perhaps there are 100 year old ones, 150...or whatever, because for a queen to grow and mature and create as many bugs, and corresponding hive, in 11 months (if not under if the technology provides faster travel) is a little far fetched, even for sci-fi.
One thing I think that perhaps caused Alien 3 and AR to lose fans is one simple idea - the creature went from a being trying to breed to simple hollywood monsters. Even though in Alien we don't see the egg transforming of Dallas (in theatrical cut), the fact that the idea was even thought of changes the dynamic of the creature and its relationship to the humans in the film. In Aliens, this thought is still carried over as most of the marines are taken as opposed to outright death. Yes some are killed, but the marines act offensively against the Xeno, which brings on such retaliation. In the first two flicks we see a dynamic that is more about the survival of the species then simple killing. Once Alien 3 hit, that all changed. In the film, the deaths are just that - deaths. There is no hinting of the creature preparing an area for the coming queen, which is in Ripley. If the creature was intelligent, and it is clear that they are, it would not have killed the prisoners, but taken them to some location and either begin the egg transformation, or coccooning for when the queen is born. So Alien 3 lost the survival aspect of the species in favour of cheap kills and thrills. You get, more or less, the same experience in AR.
Now, I personally do not count AR as official Alien canon for one reason. How, in 150+years, does this company not simply return to LV-426 to gather specimens? They know the location. They know the creatures are there. Why wait 150+ years to simply clone ONE person for the chestburster inside? I mean, they know enough about this species to have mercs bring in civilians to be facehugged. They know enough to create intense cells for the creatures, and yet they don't go digging on the one planet they are known to exist? Sorry, I don't buy that. I consider that a bigger plot hole then the random eggs on the Sulaco.
Which brings me to the next point. No one seems to bring up the location of the marine's drop ship, the first one, which has its two pilots killed by a Xeno. I get the impression that after the drop, the ship returns to the Sulaco to await the call for evac. In this scenario, the Xeno was already aboard the Drop ship, so in theory, if the drop ship was aboard the Sulaco, then perhaps the Xeno on board attacked a crew member not seen on the ship (i.e. flight crew. let's face it, that ship is far too big for what...15 marines?) and started the egg transforming process, hence the mysterious egg. Its a stretch, but IMO better then the queen planting the egg.
On the topic of theories, I have seen the facehugger through Kaines mask, but not through the testube in Aliens. Easy solution. The film is 57 years after the events of Alien. The Nostromo was a poorer end ship and perhaps the space suits were also of an older technology, perhaps still using simple tempered glass. The test tubes are also that, containers made for storing of organic matter. So far in the future, and 57 years since the first films events, it stands to reason that the technology for such canisters has developed certain precautions to prevent such an escape - especially if
the Company knows of the species already. Not an impossible probability.
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GigerFace
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012IMO, the xenos went way off track in Cameron's Aliens, and yes there are people who perceive Aliens as cinematic gold, but it's not ALIEN. And although it's a great sci-fi action film it diverges from the original and there is were the problems begin. Yes it is possible that the ridges were a result of maturation of the xeno, but I think the ridges were more cost effective for the production. Which instead translated into a missed opportunity to further explore Giger's original xeno design within the subtext of film. I mean, for Giger to have given Ridley and us such a truly foreign creature only for it to be devolved down to a typical disposable movie monster is such a waste.
Even though Ash was evil, the one interesting thing Ash brought to the mythology was his sort of wikipedia rundown on what the xeno was. What purpose did the dome head serve? Why did the xeno lack eyes? Which brings up another point, with no dome covering the empty eye sockets, wouldn't that leave the xenos in Aliens exposed in a vulnerable way? There are more questions that could have been explored but they weren't and then in Alien 3, you get the return of the domed head, but without any of the cunning of the original xeno.
AR was just a complete mess, and although LV-426 was nuked and therefore the derelict was probably destroyed as well, the overall story line was still pointless.

Xenothinker
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I am probably one of the few people who hold the first Alien has this fantastic piece of work. Yes it a great suspense film? Yes. Creative? Yes. Poop your pants terrifying? No.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Alien franchise as much as the next, but I feel the first was only a partial view of this universe and the creature itself - which is where I feel Aliens truly came through.
In the first, we were introduced to this ship, with hundreds of thousands of eggs, all carrying the same creature (presumably). What it showed us was this creature's life cycle and simple survival instincts. But what happens if there are numerous creatures? What is their life cycle like then? Where did those eggs come from? What Aliens did was more of a film IMO based on exploring the culture of the Xeno. Is it what Scott envisioned? Maybe not, but it does bring a lot to the table that should not be poo-pooed.
As for those who think its just another shoot 'em, yes, on the surface it is. But let's look at it from another possible angle. Ripley is found, perhaps she makes it to earth just fine this time, and upon her report, the Company would then send an armed ship to investigate. A more militaristic approach to LV-426 would have occured no matter what the scenario for returning would be. It is the only logical grounds to go back to that planetoid. In the case of the actual film, a colony was sent to terraform, and I think, the company decided to try a new way of either finding out about the Prometheus mission/acquiring the Xenos, knowing full-well the potential of these civilians being killed and housing an Alien (perhaps not knowing the full details). They in turn knew the colony would go silent, and, as part of testing the capability of the Xeno, intended to send in a military force. It is stated in several occassions that the Xenos are wanted for biological warfare...what better way to test your desired weapons then by pitting your current best against them?
I think Aliens did a lot more for the creatures then what people give credit for.

RickK
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I read somewhere or maybe it was in the making of in the quadrilogy set that they didn't put the domes on them in "Aliens" because of budgetary constraints.
However this ridged structure is visibile beneath the dome in the original creature.
[img]http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/13432/gigeralien__span.jpg[/img]
For Aliens all they did was remove the dome, fill in the eye/nose sockets and paint it all black.

draekus
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012@RickK
You're correct. After the film (Aliens) was complete, Cameron was asked about the difference between the domes. He mentioned the ridged dome was chosen because it was easier to light/film. He then said something along the following lines; "[i]I dunno maybe the clear domes fall off after they mature...[/i]". However, I don't think that was his original intent/reasoning behind removing the clear dome. Again, it was probably done for financial/logistical reasons.
Hukerlover
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Xenothinker on the anthology box set Cameron stated that he changed from the dome because it kept cracking so he used the ridges there has to my knowledge been any explination to this in the films themselfs does anybody know what that is?

Xenothinker
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I didn't mean the why they are different from a film making perspective ;). This thread was meant more for my theories for the variations within the universe itself - kind of like the other breeds topic seen in the forum. But this is also to house some of my other thoughts an theories of the series as a whole.
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