LV 462 talk

@LV426JGFPM i like the way you think :) anything is possible.

@invaderzim42 My point is unless Ridley Scott comes out and accepts any of the sequels as canon, it is safe to say none are. If he ties himself down to events in Aliens, he limits the universe he created. Alien was small yet grand at the same time, because it had so much mystery with no answers. I seriously down Scott/Lindelof would limit themselves to something as simplistic as a queen laying eggs. In multiple interviews we've heard the same thing: "same universe as Alien." It would be just as easy to say "same universe as in the Alien series" or "same universe as Alien and Aliens", but he never has.

Okay, fine. So he tells the story of the space jockey in Alien and then hits a dead end because then there will be no where else to take it. I think it may be in a sequel - possibly. And of course over all of these years he - Ridley Scott - could have changed his mind. Like he did with regards to doing a 'direct' prequel to Alien. But in any case - like I said - I think no matter what, we'll all be very very pleased with this movie - whatever happens. Well, not if those rock piles on the planet wind up becoming the alien that attacks them - LOL! Now THAT would be horrible * not yelling, just exaggerating * LOL TM5

[quote][i]yeah but he wanted to explain the story of the space jockey in alien, and if its not the same jockey, THEN WHATS THE POINT?[/i][/quote] @invaderzim42 The point is by telling a separate story in the same universe about the how/why/when/where/etc. of the space jockeys, fans of Alien will be able to solve pieces of the puzzle the SJ in Alien left behind. At the same time, by being a separate story, it is not alienating movie goers who have not seen Alien, thus, as another member pointed out, laying the carpet for sequels. Look at it from a business perspective: say Prometheus makes a HUGE profit - if Ridley actually ended with the derelict crashing on lv 426 and/or allowed the sequels to be canon, then he just screws and limits himself with the sequels that the studio would want because there is already an established timeline/mythology.

@Sigismundo i cant stress how much it bothers me when people bring this up, for the last time, i am going to say this. here i go. "[b]Scott is not the almighty god of the alien universe! he has just as much a right to decide what is cannon as my dog does! he simply directed the first movie, he did not write it and he did not write Prometheus! he is a good director but does not decide whats what!!![/b]" and done. do you see what i mean? giving scott the right to change the universe at will, is like giving the camera guy of a wedding the right to decide if they get a divorce or not. it makes NO sense. if there was one guy who did have the right, it would be dan o'bannon and he is dead (god rest his soul) and also, he co wrote aliens so i dont think he would object.

@Sigismundo That was a perfect reply. Thanks! :)

Scott did not do the writing, but he certainly did say to the writers where he wanted this story to go... And also - this is a movie - it's not real life. It can't be compared to a 'divorce'.

They don't [i]need[/i] to tie it up into a neat little bow, where someone or something in this movie ends up being the dead SJ in "Alien." Frankly, I think it would be a bit too predictably contrived if they did. Why would Ridley Scott resort to stereotype, in revisiting one of his most beloved properties? I dunno, I'm just not seeing it.

@invaderzim42 With all due respect - do you understand how much impact and influence a director has on a film? Alien is [i]his[/i] film. Any film is the directors film - the only entity to have a say over a film's director is the studio.

@Sigismundo finally a good explanation for why it wouldn't be on lv426, and no i somewhat respect that opinion, but i still dont think that is the case. i dont think anybody would go to such a length to make something just as cannon as its not. it just doesn't work for me. if it is true, and its pulled of awesomely, then that's awesome i bet it would be great, but i just don't see it happening :( P.S. sorry that these responses are kind of strange, every time i respond by the time i am done you already have a new comment, so you need to try and figure out what response goes to what comment lol sorry :D

From this page: [url=http://collider.com/ridley-scott-damon-lindelof-michael-fassbender-prometheus-interview/153243/]Click me...[/url] RIDLEY SCOTT: It’s easier to carry it out, but it’s still as difficult to write something. In fact, it’s getting more difficult because there are almost too many movies being made. DAMON LINDELOF: Yeah, and I think that it would have been really difficult to do a straight-up Alien sequel or Alien prequel because you’re beholden to so many of the things that came before it. To be able to shed that stuff [made it easier]. [size=200][size=200]This was Ridley’s idea[/size][/size]. From the screenwriting standpoint, for me, it was really just all about getting a clear sense of what was the movie [size=200]that he wanted to make[/size]. [size=200]It’s Ridley Scott. The movie is his vision[/size], so I did my best to channel it. We had almost no conversations about any other movies, other then this one, which might have been hubris or it might have been freeing, but it felt good, maybe just because we were drunk. TM5 ps - and of course - they could be lying!

@Sigismundo yes i do know how much influence a director has, i hope to be one some day actually, but i still don't think that gives him any right. the producer and the writer are asking for a piece of art, and hire an artist to make it for them. that does not give the artist the right to do what he wishes with it. and true, Scott does have some control over the series, but if he seriously has the control to do whatever he wants with the cannon then that's just bull, end of story.

Hence the reason why this isn't an 'Alien' movie. It's the story about the Space Jockey, which has no canon - until Prometheus comes out. I'm going to another post - hehehe TM5

STOP!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! change the subject, i really don't want to get into this again. if you think its lv426 then talk theory of why its different, if you don't think its lv426 then......... this is not the topic for you lol :D

Last post on this topic.........If what Lindelof said in that interview is true, then Scott was essentially given carte blanche as to where the "franchise" goes from here. He may well have insisted on that before agreeing to helm the project.

Okay. Hehe, I was wondering how long this was going to go on. If it IS LV-426 then I think that perhaps over the years between Prometheus and Alien that the planet just goes through a series of changes. Perhaps volcanic in nature and all of those rock piles start to grow or get debris build up on them and then at night when it's cold or whatever it solidifies. I don't know. If it's not LV-426 - oh, yeah. I can't say. LOL

@invaderzim42 I apologize. I spend most of my time on another film/tv message board that is basically full of perverts and nitwits, so it's nice to have a discussion with people who know what the heck they're talking about! @T-Minus-Five I have thought, (if it [i]is[/i] LV-426), an 'easy way out' of the planets changes would be some sort of nuclear devastation. Though I hope that does not happen. At. All. Too easy/obvious/corny.

@T-Minus-Five Also, thanks for that link. I had not read that interview.

@Sigismundo thats ok lol i understand completely, if you still want to we can keep going at it on the other forum i mentioned, but not here, let this keep its virginity of a big argument (argument sounds like i mean fighting and discussion sounds too nice so idk what word to use lol)

Like T-minus-5 said, there are other planets in the original Alien shots. That being said. We see the SJ ship getting nailed by prometheus (or at least blowing up right on it/next to it) and we see it crash. We do NOT see it getting damaged. The damned thing might just get up and fly away to LV-426. As in maybe the pilot was injured in the prometheus crash, but came too, injured, and managed to fly a bit away only to lose it later. Could happen. But if there are multiple temples/egg silos, there could be multiple ships. We see the ground open up under the characters, yet we can't place the timing of it. Who's to say the entire region isn't littered with underground stations?