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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 5:05 AMThe Space Jockey ship we will see in Prometheus [b]IS[/b] the derelict.
I have downloaded every trailer that has been released for Prometheus and have just rewatched the original trailer that was released back in december and compared it to the new trailers...
THE SHAPE AND ORIENTATION OF THE DERELICT HAS CHANGED
Heres the old version of the Derelict from the december trailer...
[img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/OldDerelict.jpg[/img]
And heres the new version of the Derelict from the UK trailer...
[IMG]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewDerelict.jpg[/IMG]
And heres the original Derelict from the 1979 Alien...
[img]http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/75spaceships/main/derelict.jpg[/img]
In the original trailer the Derelict looked more angular and sharper, much to the fans dis-satisfaction, and started the debate that it wasn't the same ship from Alien. Yet in the new trailers the ship is more bulbous and organic looking, and is positioned 180 degrees the other way round.
Obviously the fans voices have been heard and the Derelict was changed to better look like the Derelict from Alien.
Thus IMHO this is the Derelict from Alien, and this is LV-426/Archeron.
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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 1:33 PMtwo identical ships crash from the same species in the same system, dont think so
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 1:36 PMplease bro, i saw that same scenario in the rain storm yesterday, 2 cars, same species, crashed 25 feet apart from each other.
(i forgot you wrote the film snorks...) really? -edit: (BTW, they were in the same system too, same planet even, lol)
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 1:41 PMLike I said you expect ridley to say "lets do another film, where another space jockey, in an identical ship, crashes again in the same system"... Really?
Even ridley aint that stupid, come on!
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 1:49 PMNot crashed again, crashed (stranded) originally. Ship on the prometheus planetoid destroyed. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and find out in 73 days homie.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 1:57 PM@ TKfanboy - I don't follow your position on this, I am saying that this is the same derelict we see in Alien, I though that was clear!
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:04 PMHonestly...I go back and forth on that point Snorky....I can see it logically from both sides.....
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 2:12 PMThe way I see it is this...
[i]Prometheus - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in a Derelict ship crashes in the Zeta Reticuli system.
Alien - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in an identical Derelict ship also crashes in the same system.[/i]
... Somehow I don't see that happening, unless they are infact the one and same event - this [b][u]IS[/u][/b] the Derelict from Alien.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:12 PMAnd that is totally cool my friend, because I don't follow your position on this either, your theory was in your honest opinion, and mine was mine. I didn't try to debunk YOUR opinion, only add mine, so all I ask is the same courtesy. This is a fan forum for discussion, not ; "My idea is right, so everyone else go with it." - I would never do that simply for a fun debate's sake. That's all i'm saying my man. If I hurt your feelings....I apologize. ;) I'm over it. But I do like alot of your other ideas---as I've stated in other threads.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:16 PMFrom the outside.....and in the same left/right, up/down orientation.... the SJ ship in "Prometheus" looks essentially the same as the derelict......but you could say the same about our retired space shuttle fleet. One unsurprisingly looks almost exactly like another. However, the inside of the Prometheus SJ ship is another story entirely. The map room is a different shape, there are several large pods on the platform, and there are clear differences in details between the "Alien" and "Prometheus" chairs. I don't accept the notion that RS or anyone else involved in this production had a "casual" attitude about continuity.......or that the pods somehow disappear and the chair changes as a result of goo-mutation, etc.
There's actually more evidence to conclude that they're two different ships, rather than they're the same.......unless you accept the notion that every light blue 09 Chevy Malibu you see parked at your local mall must belong to the same person.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:18 PMPrometheus - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in a Derelict ship crashes in the Zeta Reticuli system at LV-426.
Alien - Ridley Scott makes a film where... humans end up back at the site of the original stranded derelict in the same system at LV-426. (Not the one destroyed by the Prometheus on the planetoid IN prometheus.)
--can you at least see where i'm coming from, cause i can see where you are coming from, i just dont agree with it. (THIS IS LIKE ARGUING WITH MY WIFE---LMAO.)
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 2:19 PM@TKfanboy - As I said I am stating that the Derelict [b][u]IS[/u][/b] the same one as in Alien, whereas it seemed you was saying otherwise. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but the logic in my last post pretty much sums it all up... I don't see Ridley setting the scene for the beginning of Alien only to say "its another ship that just happens to befall the same fate", that would be suicide for him as a director, the fans would eat him alive.
Therefore the derelict in Prometheus [b][u]IS[/u][/b] the same Derelict as in Alien.
Mattoo
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:20 PMRemember that picture posted a few days ago that shows the Prometheus coming in to land, and the shot shows a row of 5 temples. If the main bone ship comes from the temple they land at, then who is to say the next 4 temples don't also contain ships that just hadn't been activated? I imagine it to be that way anyway. Hell, over the horizon, there could be a thousand more just parked underground.
Combine that with the fact that the landscape of the boneship crash site looks very different from LV-426, i.e. much much flatter, so I don't think this is the same ship from Alien. Although the landscape could have changed a bit between films due to earthquakes, disasters and such, I doubt the ship would remain standing unchanged while the ground beneath it contorted wildly.
But even if this planet isn't LV-426... there is always the possibility that this bone ship isn't damaged beyond repair, and could somehow still make it there. Who knows though right?
artyoh
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:26 PMSnork, why are you assuming that they both suffered the same fate? In the trailer, we see the SJ ship fall thousands of feet, slam into, and roll across the ground, but in spite of that absolutely no external damage is visible. It's entirely possible that the ship is wrecked internally, but [i]from what we've actually seen[/i], it may be.....or ultimately end up, being flight-worthy.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 2:28 PM@TKFanboy - Hold on, where have you heard that the Derelict in Prometheus gets destroyed?!?
Lets clarify in laymans terms...
Derelict launches from underground, heading to Earth. Prometheus, piloted by Captain Janek crashes into it and it falls to the ground, rolls and then topples over. 37 years later the Nostromo picks up a signal from this Derelict and investigates...
@artyoh - The insides do look quite different, and I'm sure there is an explanation but I haven't seen the film yet, unfortunately. Plus I'm british, we don't have chevy's we have reliant robins.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:37 PMFor Christ's sake...........last time...
Again, IMHO.......it gets destroyed- (my theory/opinion now). Umm...because it has another sizeable yet smaller spacecraft slam into it and as it's going down it's exploding and erupting pieces all over hell and back, and it CRASHES into the planetoid. could it be the same ship in Alien? -YES! Could it be a crashed ship on a planetoid thats NOT lv-426? -YES!
AND!
Ridley Scott has stated that this is NOT a prequel to Alien but a stand alone film with Alien DNA, so.... WHY WOULD IT BE THE SAME F***ING SHIP?
BOOM! -DONE.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:41 PMmaybe Ridley Scott should just get it over with and rename this film :
S N O R K L E B O T T O M .....a film by Ridley Scott
artyoh
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 2:44 PMSnork, if the Malibu isn't yet available in the UK, it soon will be. It's been tweaked for the European market, but it keeps the same nameplate, etc. It's a bit roomier and uh....more stable than a robin...... I do think you brits have historically produced some of the most beautiful cars on [i]any[/i] road.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-26-2012 2:50 PM@TKFanboy....
First - calm down, its just a forum.
Now, your theory of the Derelict being destroyed has no evidence whatsoever. The falling debris is from the Prometheus (which crashes into it) and can clearly be seen in the trailers and has been covered across many threads here.
The Derelict is obviously damaged enough to crash, and I see it as highly unlikely that it will take off after this crash only to crash again on one of the neighbouring planetoids.
As for what Ridley said, that was months ago... he has since admitted that Prometheus is in fact a prequel to Alien (check the news section) but has also stated that the bigger parts of Prometheus will take the story in another direction.
This is the same Derelict as seen in Alien, and this is LV-426, I am sure the differences will be explained in the film. The bulk of the story before the crash is what Prometheus 2 will venture into.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:01 PMReally dude?
I have a new theory...
@RidleyScott....knows the deal.
@DamonLindelof...knows the deal
@snorkelbottom...don't know s**t, only speculation.
@TKfanboy421.....don't know s**t, only speculation.
Dropyourlinen
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:07 PMI was torn to shreds on other threads for stating it was LV-426. Where are you now, suckers, huh?!
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:11 PM@snorklebotom. How can you sling terms around like "..I AM sure..." and "..prometheus 2 WILL venture into...?
Did you write the film? NOOOOOOO......
So, with that being said....Philisophically, you don't KNOW sh**.
ANNNND.... I've stated all along that it was my "opinion" and my "theory". So, man up and accept it homie.
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:16 PMEveryone needs to relax and take a chill pil or TWENTY........Now...I can see this going both ways...we will just wait and see in June...now won't we?
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:25 PMHAHA, yes we will. I'm washing my hands of it. (for the third time.)
Slakkers
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 4:04 PM@Snorkelbottom Nice find! And it makes perfect sense, i bow to your superior deductive capabillities :)
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