Time displacement Theory True?

Ant Hive
MemberOvomorphMarch 27, 20121611 Views24 RepliesI know its an unpopular theory but time displacement has to be a part of the movie for the simple fact that in Alien (1979) the SJ inside the Derelict has fossilized. As we know this processes is one where organic tissue mineralizes into rock, a process that takes thousands of years. Could it be that because Prometheus is an experimental ship, during the trip to the Zeta Reticuli system they reached a velocity of travel that has never been accomplished before therefore had unpredictable consequences in the space time continuum to the point where they got pushed back thousands of years, hence the fossil SJ found by the Nostromo?
March 27, 2012
The planet was descibed as "deep cold, well below the line." Maybe the cold caused the remains to appear fossilized since there was no moisture. There is also no proof that the prometheus planet is the Alien planet.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!
March 27, 2012
The line in Alien is "Deep coal, well below the line" as Ash and Dallas were looking at what the planet has to offer so they can come back and extract it. And the fossilization of the SJ in the chair, I believe to be dead bones and tissue since the "derelict" ship is living organic so it doesn't have to be that long for a body to decompose. But I won't rule out time travel since he did say something about the beginning of time.
March 27, 2012
I read something somewhere, months ago, that the crew of the prometheus arrives at the alien god's home world and are greeted and then transported even further into deep space to a scary yet fascinating world..... Maybe that is the time/interdimensional unit envolved. yet that was early on where tidbits of the plot were first being leaked. we shall see....
March 27, 2012
The talk of the beginning of time is at the start of the film - the UFO over the waterfall. which is to be narrated by a well known voice over guy (yet I don't remember his name).
FTL travel, theoretically, would not cause the Prometheus to travel back in time, but forward at an accelerated rate (kind of, allegedly).
Furthermore, the SJ in Alien is not fossilized, its suit has faded (also it actually looks nothing like a fossil), the fossilized statement (Dallas) was uttered because they believed they were seeing the skeletal remains of a creature not a degraded biomechanical suit, as stated by Ridley and shown in the new trailers.
March 27, 2012
Fossilization takes thousands of years to occur on earth. We know next to nothing about all the processes of our world vs. how or how long they occur in other places.
It's science fiction- with the "fiction" part being half of the name. If you can dive into the story of zenos, chestbursters, jockeys, alien civilizations, FTL interstellar travel, anti-gravity, and all of Earth's resource shortages solved by a corporation, then a little thing like the time it takes an alien life form to fossilize on another planet isn't too big of a step for me.
As RS has proven with the 1979 film, some questions are better left without an answer. It won't ruin the film for me if there are parts that I can't fit all together in a nice puzzle. Little things like that- intentional or not, make the story better not worse.
March 27, 2012
It doesn't *have* to be a fact because we don't know for certain that we're on LV426 or that the ship(s?) we see will be the derelict in Alien.
That said, it's intriguing that they'd mention it on WeylandIndustries.com and I do think that it will play a part in the film.
March 27, 2012
I've never liked the 'fossilised' term concerning the SJ - mummified seems more fitting.
Aren't fossils developed under rock pressure over millions of years?
March 27, 2012
i think Time tavel of some sort, especialyl with Lindholfs LOST series experience with that.
March 27, 2012
@ZetaReticuli
Yes. For an organic object to actually become fossilized, it must be buried, and its' constituent organic parts -or an impression of the object's shape/parts thereof- must be replaced by minerals
March 27, 2012
If time travel (of sorts) is involved then what's the hurry (and point) in stopping the Derelict ship getting to Earth? ... I don't see the point ... has just one ship got FTL? ... have they BOTH got FTL? ... I don't get it ... hmmm ...
They land on a planet called LV-223 ... so ... I still reckon there's 2 Derelict ships involved and therefore one crashes on LV-426 ......
March 27, 2012
Per the Weyland Industries site:
"Weyland scientists discover the inverse relationship between velocity and the flow of time making the long sought-after concept of faster than light travel a reality. The search for practical application begins."
Sounds to me like there is a corollary to relativity theory, so we won't deal with time travel.
March 27, 2012
In the subtitles for both the original and re-release DVDs of Alien, the line as spoken is given as "deep cold, well below the line"
As for the "fossil" thing, I've never understood why so many people take that line so seriously. Dallas, not a scientist or expert, looks at the pilot chair and says "looks like it's fossilized" and then they never examine the jockey or anything ever again (obviously busy with alien issues). Clearly it was meant as a off-hand line...someone making a quick, instant judgement..."hey, this thing looks fossilized." So, maybe the jockey suit thing is biological material. Maybe it isn't. Maybe it operates physically in ways no one would understand by jockeys. I don't think the line was meant to imply the jockey was LITERALLY fossilized.
March 27, 2012
Hmmm I would say that the SJ in Alien looks more "petrified" than fossilized. I think Dallas says "looks fossilized" but that does not mean that the SJ is actually fossilized. More likely that the body is simply petrified or dried out and frozen in place. This would not have to have taken place over thousands of years.
March 27, 2012
Pite,
I agree, petrified. petrified in 30 years? lol..
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion..
March 28, 2012
Lame but what the hell-upon the return trip,the survivors,or mainly David, go back in time to Earth's twilight,and he leaves the cave drawings because now he has the secrets to our evolution and gives us monkeys the genetic codes to become who we are.Chicken or the egg sort of thing.Maybe the SJ were never here at all,WE found them.
March 28, 2012
The famous "fossilized" note :
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Dallas and everyone else has fogged visor in his suit
Dallas saw something he newer saw before.
To climb up to the chair platform was not easy.
He touched the SJ only with his space suit glove once. The spacesuit is heavy duty and the gloves
It was dark environment and unknown materials.
Dallas mentioned the "fossilized" before he touched it.
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To me the fosillized note is the main argument for need of time travel between Prometheus and Alien time lines.
And this is pretty weak argument.
My speculations:
I would be happy if the Space Jockey is partially scorched.
Someone scorched him with flamethrower when the xeno chest busted from him.
So the scorching appear "fossilized" or petrified.
And the SJ chamber in Alien may be chamber below the 3D Map chamber in Prometheus.
The chair is elevated from there up to the map room.
March 28, 2012
When I said FTL, I meant the talked about time 'dilation' thing that popped up as in a weird thing that made them go 'somewhere in time' ... because if it was just a one off trip through a random portal then they won't be going back home in a hurry ... is that makin' sense??? ... damn i confuse myself sometimes ...
So ... yeah I can grasp FLT itself as that seems a logical step forward for humans ... and yes I did see that on Weylands Timeline ... hence corrected statement ;) ...
@danrald ...
Some dude posted it on another board ... and he was adamant he'd get sacked if he said anymore ... lol ... he basically said he saw a scene regarding Prometheus's mission brief ... I'm going with that as that does makes sense ...