For What It's Worth...

Cool. Hopefully it's deep dark and disturbing, hard to figure out type themes making us think on different levels and affecting our inner being, way more than just a gore fest would. That's why I want the R-rating...for the disturbing themes. Who cares about blood and swearing, nudity etc. I know Ridley will make this a movie that will be treasured thirty years from now just like his first installment

Alright, I'm an idiot. Apologize for the Noom comment - which should start another interesting thread: Why is it the women in these films persevere? Why do they always seem to seek, suffer, and then come out ahead of the gig? Think about it - I don't think that anyone in the franchise intended to show how it is that the XX is superior to the XY - but it's pretty obvious that there's a more compassionate, intelligent method to the way women deal with adversity. Let's get some dialogue going on this - how does it play into the movie? Do we see a creationist punish a gender for doing the same?

@IO - dig the response, I feel the same. No gore for gore sake, but do it for the integrity of the story.

For the record I think Noomi will own this film. From what I've seen her character looks real, tangible and believable. A real spirit about her. Sometimes it takes a woman to see the passion or seriousness of a situation, like a mother figure.. I think the producers nailed it by casting her. This is going to be so epic, can't you tell?

I have to say I'm nodding my head reading what you guys are posting. An R rating doesn't necessarily have to be all about the blood and guts and boobs, but if the story is contextualized properly for that sort of rating it would be more fitting altogether. Now, if Sir Ridley HAS to allow Fox to have their PG-13 rating because it will make more money for the studio, that's what has to happen. But if he can get versions for both R and PG-13, I think it will only allow the studio to make MORE money at the end of the day. So allow Sir Ridley his R version for those of us that can handle it and give the tween popcorn munching crowd a less awesome version. They'll make money off this movie either way. I'm planning on seeing it a couple times in the cinema. @Late, I think Noomi's character will be the last one standing only to face a death by either hunger or running out of oxygen. It won't be pleasant in any case.........

Even if it gets an R-rating, we all know the kids will get to see it anyway lol......i was 12 when i first watched the Excorsist lol.

@Late - Ridley waited ages for the ideal script, to finish what was started. why ask questions you know the answers to

Am i happy there is no real rating here :s

off topic, but LOL to your brussels griffon dog in your picture, Late.

I'm tired of seeing gratuitous blood and gore in films. It looks proper only when it's contextualized right. I prefer the idea of a movie that is more DISTURBING, on a deep psychological level that would challenge everything I have been raised to believe, over any monsters that would pop out of anywhere. An R- rated IDEA about WHY we humans are here. Not just the where and when questions. A reason WHY that is disturbing enough to give me bad dreams, kinda thing. Yeah that'd do it.

@belladonna, thanks. Glad someone dug it. @cypher, some the flicks that passed for PG awhile back had some rough lingo for kids. I put "Goonies" on the other day for my friend's kid and fell over with laughter considering a lot of what was gotten away with. The look of a 5 year old on hearing "shit" in a roomful of adults is rad. As far as marketability, I think the flick is still gonna be lights years ahead. Notice how television movies edit nudity and leave in the gore? Yet when it comes to content in terms as you excellently stated, you see the adult rating play into view. There will be two takes, just like you said. Damn, not one for web boards, but this one is top notch. Good feedback, peeps.

The thing about women is...they're survivors. I even had this theory that a women pushed to the edge would have even less compunction about doing whatever it takes to survive than the sternest of men. And often they'll feel completely justified in taking the extreme actions they took. One thing I've noticed is a lot of women have the ability to completely liberate themselves from caring about men to achieve their goals, I mean shut off completely, whereas men often seem to retain that one last weakness. Pride, or lack of male pride is a factor. Pride, ego, will keep a man from doing certain things, even if it would ensure his survival, or it will keep him from moving forward after certain things happen to him. There are things that if a man experienced them, his ego would be shattered, and the rest of his psyche would follow. But they happen to women everyday, and the women keep on striving. I have a number of theories about female behavior based on the idea that they are, or can be, far more practical and than males in many ways. Even without all that, women go through a lot in life as it is. I do not envy them for it, but it makes them stronger in ways we probably don't figure and don't often see. And combined with 21st century technology they can be a force to be reckoned with in violent struggle too. So watch out all you would be abusers, cheats, and louts.

Dammit, I had a long post about how women are survivors and it didnt' go through. Anyway, in short: never underestimate what a woman will do to survive. I've seen and read about so many women who have the ability to shut off emotion like a switch when push comes to shove. They've survived humiliations and degradations that would break a lot of men for good, and they went on to live their lives. They will adapt to situations that a man would not because of his ego (and I'm not saying women don't have pride, but that they'll discard it temporarily for a greater cause, or just plain survival, while men will be thinking of their "station" or reputation, or their masculinity.). And they'll feel completely justified in taking whatever extreme actions they did to survive. (Note: not saying all women are like this, but I've seen, read, or heard about it plenty enough). So a woman being put through the wringer like this and coming out on top is no surprise to me.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, women are tough, they give birth to kids sometimes several times in some cases ;-) I'm just saying that if Shaw is left on a planet and has no way to get off it and only has a limited amount of air in her suit not to mention the food thing, unless the Company sends a rescue team (which may take awhile to get to her anyways) she's pretty well borked......... But there is a scene in the full trailer that shows her smacking a guy in what looks like an orange bio-hazard suit, so maybe she IS rescued or makes it back to Earth somehow............ Urgh, the wait is killing me!!! ;-P

I believe the ideas in the film are the most possibly controversial element in this film, not violence or sex or language...Ridley has the ratings board wired when he plans a film, way in advance, planned meticulously all the way through. He's that good, that prepared. He already knows what he has made. oh yeah @ Late....I agree, Noomi buys it, all the humans do...only David is left to meet the creators of his creators, who fall victims to themselves and their human weaknesses, not an external threat and certainly not their benign creators....David moves on, to another time and another place....

Yep, an R Rating to me isnt about over the top blood and gore just for the sake of it. Sometimes an R Rating is needed for the story to make the impact it intends to. This is why I hope FOX allow Ridley the freedom that an R Rating allows. I been saying from the start that two options for cinema and DVD/BLU RAY should be available - PG 13 and R.

We all agree - the complexity of the story is going to merit some sort of filter. I think we're gonna see an overhaul of what makes an "R" flick vs. a "PG-13" one - this film will challenge the current system in terms of content intellect-wise, not gore. Anyone scope "This Film Is Not Yet Rated"? 2006 documentary on what goes into the system of giving films a viewing score with MPAA standards. Solid watch to see what gets a free pass or not.