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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 6:38 AMI enjoy all the plot ideas here but think we are being too literal with some of the things we see in the trailers. For example, a king has his reign and then he dies doesn’t mean we’ll encounter a king. It could be a referral to a species being dominant one day and history the next. The phrase is like saying every dog has his day, or 15 minutes of fame.
Because the movie is called Prometheus doesn’t mean that it’s based on ancient Greek mythology any more than Red Dwarf features small red people.
Also, RS has gone to great lengths to distance himself from Aliens 3 and 4 because of their silly plot lines, even so far as to have them ruled non cannon. I would be surprised if after declaring a movie about alien cloning (ie resurrection) as fan fiction if he goes down the route of time travel, ancient atlanteans, Weyland being an SJ, androids evolving in to xenos etc.
I’m not dissing the theories that are posted as they make great reading but I think they are wide of the mark. I think the movie will be set within believable realistic parameters that all audiences, particular the older generation like me who grew up with the film will believe and not on a way out there sci-fi premise.
Having said that, with my luck the I will be completely wrong and the film will be about an ancient time travelling xenomorph from Atlantis called Prometheus who becomes lost in time following a time travel experiment, temporarily taking the places of other people to put right what once went wrong and hoping that each leap will be the leap home.
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want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:30 AMThere's still something in 'Aliens' that could give us an angle on this life cycle deal and keep Cameron's movie sound. You remember that when they flamed that women who had a baby xeno burst from her chest, the noise woke the adults up.
Perhaps by going into some sort of hybernation sleep, they can extend their own lives.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:31 AMLike in Blazing Saddles, we would say at that point someone could have been giving a Pep Talk To The Xenomorph's Before they would go out on a Xenomorph Terra-Forming Run and maybe even Harvey Korman himself...ending with that age old inspirational and now world famous movie quote phrase...
[b]"Now Go Do That Voodoo That You Do So Weeeeeellllllllll"[/b]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1voodoo2.jpg[/img]
LMFAO
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteApr-06-2012 11:34 AMThe "temple" is based upon Harkonnen Castle (spotted by your truly back in November/December) and Gigers description of the workings of Harkonnen Castle (originally intended for Dune) is not too dis-similar to how the Xenomorph's construct their hives, which co-incidently, probably look like what Giger designed for the Pyramid in Alien (essentially a large egg).
Ghost Solitare
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:36 AMIn fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction, which are not considered canonical. Wikipedia
Without a proper name for the creature, fans adopted the name the crew had used for it during production, ‘Space Jockey’. It was only later, in canon books and video games, that we learn the race is called ‘Pilot’ - or ‘Mala’kak’ in their own language. None of them appeared in any other films from the series http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/60322-ridley-scott-talks-alien-prometheus
Mala'kaks, also known as "Space Jockeys" or "Pilots" (Latin: Mundus gubernavi, meaning "Universal Pilot"), are an elusive race of large, sapient, extraterrestrial lifeforms
want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:37 AMSparta,
And a xeno named Mel says "Nice pep talk Haddy!"
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:39 AM@CanadaPhil
fanbloddytastic post man, I agree with everything you said
@Snorky, I wish there was some small way we could pay homage t that man? I Imagine he would have been so happy, no...ABSOLUTELY THRILLED with what is happening now.
@EVERYBODYELSE
SOME KIND OF TIE IN TO THE "MURDEROUS THEIF" however small, has t be part of this film IMO...because for no other reason than Ridley Scott would Not give up the One chance he may have before he is gone to bring that thing back into the fold. His and O'Bannon's and Gigers most magnificent creation. Maybe the greatest Movie Monster of all time, which never would have occurred if not for that Damn Beach Ball of O'Bannon's and Ridley Scott's Love of Giger's Book Of paintings... "Necronomicon!!!
WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:40 AM@ CanadaPhil and Want to see - Interesting ideas!
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:41 AM[quote]Posted Apr-06-2012 11:34 AM | Moderate
The "temple" is based upon Harkonnen Castle (spotted by your truly back in November/December) and Gigers description of the workings of Harkonnen Castle (originally intended for Dune) is not too dis-similar to how the Xenomorph's construct their hives, which co-incidently, probably look like what Giger designed for the Pyramid in Alien (essentially a large egg).[/quote]
right Snorky, But you do see the similarities in it;s shape and design right? Heck for all we know they got Giger himself to model that thing outta some clay...lmfao
draekus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:41 AM@ Snorky
ohhhhhhhhh k.... as much as I'm obsessed with ALIEN and like Dan O'Bannon, Dan (rest in peace) is not the equivalent of Stan Lee. Stan Lee is credited with the creation of much of Marvel's current super heroes including Spidey, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four just to name a few. Stan has also written countless stories over the years and has helped produced shows and movies.
Dan wrote the original screenplay for ALIEN which was then altered by the producers and by Ridley making it significantly better. The only other significant credits he has according to IMDB are partial credits for the screen plays of Total Recall and Screamers. (Both movies based on Phillip K Dick stories). Dan helped to start a world-renown movie franchise which is an incredible accomplishment. But as a comparison...I think Stan has done a bit more.
draekus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:52 AMThanks Sparty.
By the way, wasn't trying to be argumentative, just giving some credit to Lee. I got the chance to meet him in person last year. Such a nice guy! Wish i could have met Dan too :( ...
And I gotta give credit to Snorky on the Harkonnen Castle. When he first mentioned it last year I saw what he was referring to in the trailer...but I thought he was reaching at best. Glad he proved me wrong on that one! Its good to see more Giger-inspired work on film.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 11:58 AMman I Love Giger but That Film Dune was quite a disappointment to me, it was just so...well...weird.
want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:00 PM"it was just so...well...weird."
LOL!........yup
want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:08 PMThey tried. Sting's character was wicked.
want-to-see-prometheusNOW!
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:14 PMThis thread rocked!!! But all great things must come to an end. It's past 2AM over here.
Nice chattin with you, Sparta.
RickK
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:15 PMOnly Lynch... man what's up with the damned cat and mouse taped together in the fish tank. I bet even those guys who like to go see movies while tripping on acid were like "WTF kind of drugs is THIS guy on?"
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:17 PMnighty nite "want-to-see" it's 1:15 PM...over here in Montreal...In the afternoon. lol.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:21 PMI agree, DUNE is AWFUL.. I mean, even for a die-hard sci-fi fan, it is very difficult to follow along. It is very poorly edited.
The problem with Dune is that the theatrical release (which is probably the only version most have seen) is butchered.
Many may not remember, but there was a special TV version (YES! TV version!!) Dune in 88/89ish?? that was 189 minutes!! and that one made so much more sense. I saw that once back in the day.. I remember it be advertised as a major TV event. I also saw it 1 other time since then as a Sci-Fi channel (I think?) repeat several years ago. That version I think is quite good and fills in many things which cause headscratcher moments in the THEATRICAL verison which is only a PG rated 137 minute movie.
The trouble is, I believe the 137 minute release is the ONLY one regarded as "official" and thats what you get when you want to buy Dune on DVD.
RickK
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:24 PMI have that version Phil, here in the US a couple years ago they released a dual sided disc, one side was the theatrical cut and the other was the TV version which I prefer.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:24 PM@Rickk...so true...lol...soooo true....they also braught in some really messed up guy I forget his name...obscure director.,..and he messed the whole thing up with his outlandish ideas!!! think he was an "indie" type director but his name escapes me, it was biblical sounding though.
RickK
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:26 PMLynch is really capable of making good movies though, at least I though The Elephant Man was outstanding.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:31 PM@Rickk...
Oh YES! You jogged my memory now. I forgot they did release a newer 2 disc DVD version a few years ago! I should make a note to pick that up one day!
I do own Dune on DVD & HD DVD but its only the 137 minute version. Even when it came out on Bluray, I think they only did it as the 137 minute version?
I really do think the long TV version is a GOOD flim. Has that 2 disc version been brought to Bluray now as well? I dont think it has been?
draekus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:36 PM@Wirrn
I see your point. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. And I do like ALIEN over any of the movies you mentioned. But I attribute my like of ALIEN to Ridley first, Giger/Moebius second, and Dan third.
I was trying to make the point that Stan has worked and created many more franchises than Dan. In no way does that mean that anyone should automatically "like" Stan's body of work more than Dan's. I just feel the two cannot be compared in their impact on pop-culture or in the amount of people they've inspired. Again, that doesn't mean anyone should like Stan's work more than Dan's.
draekus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:38 PMI really liked the original Dune...sure it's "Lynch-weird", but I kinda liked that about it. Now if they had used Giger's visuals that would have been even better.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:40 PMI understand what you are saying because that film was in fact morbidly fascinating to watch...if only for the special effects and to see what was going to happen next...in the end though there were like 3 scenes to it...3 long...un-ending...whacked out to oblivion...funny ass scenes.
RickK
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:41 PMWierd, it is out on blu ray, same cover art and all but they don't include the tv cut, theatrical version only. All this talk of Dune piqued my interest & I went to see if I could put a name to the person Spartacus mentioned who might have had an influence - I cound't find a name but I'll bet his initials his were "L", "S" and "D".... LOL - anyway I found out that Dan O'Bannon was attached to be the vixual fx guy on an earlier version of the film to be directed by Alexandro Jadorowsky and when that fell thru he was supposedly checked into a psychiatric hospital. Also David Lynch was offered to direct Return of the Jedi!!
Biehn_Bandit
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:42 PMI believe if getting movies made was as cost effective as getting a comic book made, Dan O'Bannon would have had many more of his ideas see light. He may very well been a Stan Lee in the film industry. From what I've read, though, seems like he got a few raw deals, a lot of cock-blocking.
Mafetu
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:42 PM@Wirrn
Good point. Now, perhaps the facehugger seeks out an orifice ... any orifice. Maybe they are also butthuggers.
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