Ridley is pissed at MPAA over Prometheus Rating

they should get their house in order! I agree!

Seriously, wtf is this PG-13 crap??? I mean some movies are not for kids, it's ridiculous..

Yep, if Sir Ridley wants it to be "R" to make it the best possible story to tell, then they should let him. I would be ok if he wanted a PG-13 movie, but from what it sounds like to me, he wants it an R movie. Please let Sir Ridley get what he wants.

@birdbirdjimmy, yes and yes! We all stand with you

thanks Freeze Him! Just let him do his thing.

sorry, double post for some reason.

What's all the fuss with the rating? Wasn't "The Hangover" the highest grossing comedy EVER? Why didn't they just make it PG-13 then it would have made more money? The point is some films are meant to be R rated. I just want to tell 20th Century Fox, "Are you shitting me?" You've BURIED the franchise, you were actually able to get the guy who started it all (never figured in a million years Ridley would have ANYTHING to do with Alien again) You have an original story that has the potential to be great and you suits are quarreling over a rating, take a lunch break and let the big boys do their thing!! They can let Chris Columbus do the next one and make it G rated for all I care, just let Scott do his thing. There is a problem with the MPAA, but I blame the studio in this case.

Or George Lucas....God forbid. That man should never allowed behind a camera ever again.

@Cinefan, I think, and I could be wrong, but I think they made the Hangover on the cheep. It blew up and stayed with the R rating on the second movie because they new it would make money. I do agree with you about the studio, they better not screw this up all over again. On their half, I think that they are thinking that it might not make all that much money because it has been a few years since a GOOD Alien movie (or a profitable one in their eyes).

time to get a petition going.

just blame the rating system

[quote]There is a problem with the MPAA, but I blame the studio in this case.[/quote] It's always the case (when it happens). The money that makes the art, censors the art. Bloody shame.

And Fox said they wouldn't let the project go ahead without Ridders behind the camera ... well that was a waste of fu*cking time then wasn't it? ... what WAS the point in that if he can't do what he's best at? ... I wouldn't blame him if he didn't make another movie ... Oh well, have to wait for the BluRay Directors Cut to get the full impact of this puppy then ... FOX ... you're a waste of space and a bunch of prats (and I don't mean just with this movie) ... End of chat ...

not surprised at all..I could smell this chicken shit coming from a mile away these days everything is numbers and marketing, capitalism at it's peak...I hope you are enjoying the world you created for yourselves...censored art, Michael Bay, iPhones....makes me want to puke..the most material and repulsive stage yet in human history...

My fear is that hes angry with the MPAA because the ask alot of cuts to make it PG13 ... and since i know Sir Ridley Scott will never show kinky , nude , rape things i fear that the cuts are about the "horror" parts ...and that will be bad .

I fear I'm missing something key here... as far as I know Ridley has only dropped a few vague references to the possible MPAA rating of the film. But what he hasn't outright said is what rating he's actually going for and what rating the MPAA tried to give him. Does anyone have an exact quote (links are always helpful) where either of those things is revealed? It could be that he thinks Prometheus deserves a PG-13 but the MPAA rated it R (in which case he'll have to make cuts to get it down to a PG-13 or just accept the R) or he thinks it deserves an R and they rated it PG-13 (which wouldn't matter since he wouldn't make any changes just to get a more restrictive rating, right?). Also, it's worth noting that the MPAA doesn't ask anyone to make specific cuts. They just rate the film you give them and you either accept their rating or you make the cuts you feel are necessary to change the rating and re-submit it. As far as the studio is concerned I've not heard of any attempts on their part to alter the cut to get a certain rating (whatever that would be since they haven't said what their preferred rating is either, as far as I know). Where is everyone getting the studio interference rumors from? Perhaps we're all making a few too many assumption about what's happening/who's to blame...

@ The Coming - Too right, my friend. It really makes me sick how everything is censored and designed for the mainstream(money) nowadays. Its not just happening in movies either. Gaming is going the same way at a quick pace. They need to let a genius like Ridley Scott have complete freedom to do what needs to be done. Why put limits on him??? It makes now sense to me. Im guessing that Ridley made a cut of the film that he thought would make a PG-13, but the MPAA [i]still[/i] want him to make cuts. At the end of the day though, I just want to own a copy of the movie how Ridley intended it to be on blu ray. Such a shame if the cinema version is a heavily cut version. I hate this sh*t.

The part I do Not get is this....if they make it PG-13 LESS people will go see it NOT more...Period. The reason is, the target market for this film is adolescent males between 12 and 19 yrs old. An adolescent male between 12 and 19 yrs old is far more likely to try to see a movie that is R rated than one that is PG-13 and this is just fact. The perception with any Pg-13 film is in fact, that it is SOFT and watered down. IMO the PG-13 rating on Batman is going to hurt it and is no different than saying this movie is FOR ALL...it's soft on language and violence or a lot of it has been cut out. As far as the money goes, everyone surrounding the making of Prometheus already has plenty/enough, so much so that making this film 14 and over could only force people to take it more seriously which I believe is what Ridley wants...and not for more people to see it just for the money.

It's difficult for me to comment on this if the majority of you are talking from the US but I would expect the Prometheus rating here in Britain to be a 15 certificate, which is what Aliens would probably now be if released tomorrow. The problem is that in the US you don't have an inbetween rating, it jumps from, effectively 'Okay for under 13's if mum & dad say so' to - 'uh you're not over 17'. So from this point of view you are talking millions of pounds, sorry dollars in lost revenue. I agree it sucks and an 18 would be preffered for us and R for the US. But how many films are now coming out with PG-13 that really aren't suitable for children under 13?

I can't tell if hes pissed at the editing of films to make the pg-13 or slapping a pg-13 rating on an R rated cut. I just want to know if the movie we get to see in theatres regardless of rating is presented how Ridley Scott wants to present it. He could just be angry that films are being misrepresented before people even get to see them. He may feel that the wrong rating will attract the wrong audience or the wrong frame of mind when entering the theatre. Basically if the rating makes it look like it's been cut then we will allways be wondering how much "better" if could have been instead of enjoying the movie. If the cut that is making it to theatres isn't Ridley's cut we most likely wont know until after the film wich sucks because our minds are allready polluted with the idea that it will be edited. I just hope if they do cut it for PG-13 that they at least release Ridley's version on bluray.

Sorry to nitpick Spartacus, but you said a lot of stuff that didn't make much sense... "if they make it PG-13 LESS people will go see it NOT more...Period. " Your opinion seems to fly in the face of actual facts like box office receipts. "The reason is, the target market for this film is adolescent males between 12 and 19 yrs old. An adolescent male between 12 and 19 yrs old is far more likely to try to see a movie that is R rated than one that is PG-13 and this is just fact." That's also your opinion, not necessarily fact. I get that there is an allure to seeing an R rated film when you're young but the studio won't be making any money off of the kids who sneak into the theater or who just want to see it really bad but end up not seeing it. "IMO the PG-13 rating on Batman is going to hurt it and is no different than saying this movie is FOR ALL." The PG-13 rating didn't do anything to harm the last two Batman movies (in fact, they can be used as a strong case for why a good PG-13 film will put more butts in seats than an R film). Why do you think it's going to negatively impact the third one. That just seems odd. "As far as the money goes, everyone surrounding the making of Prometheus already has plenty/enough..." That may be so but that doesn't mean they want to take a loss on any film.

He has already said their will be a special edition released exclusively for DVD. I expect that cut to be more in line with what Ridley would have wanted already...right now...months before it is even created.

@Juston sorry man with regard to a sci film like this many many more adolescent males will want to see this film if it is 14 and over and not if it is for all, it's human nature and the way it actually works...Jaws was 14 and over and set the all time box office record on the day it was released. ditto for many many other films of this nature...You would think that making it for all opens it up to more people seeing but what happens is word of mouth spreads on films quickly and if it is watered down at all, and this is why it is PG-13 people find out FAST and stop going to see it...BUT...you make it 14 and over and leave just enough gore in there to make it be taken seriously and like I said, you should have seen the buzz over JAWS, and many many other films of this nature...Halloween was 14 yrs and at the time 1978 set the single Weekend Box Office Record for ticket reciepts...people do NOT LIKE THEIR SCOTCH without the ROCKS and we certainly do not want any more watered down science fiction.

If he puts 'Based on actual events' at the beginning the film censors will be more lenient lol

Take independence day for an example, made a fortune, was For All I believe...in this case Juston would be Right, but i do not think the producers of that film cared one bit how it would precieved after it's run in the theaters...in this case it is a film of substance and Ridley Cares...especially that it is taken seriously and has some lasting impressionistic endurance. he wants, as many have said before me, for everyone to see the film he intended for us to see, and this is always the case with him. In the case Of the film Robocop, Paul Verhooven was asked to make 58 seperate cuts after having to re submit that film to the studio over 4 times because they kept making requests for cuts to change it from an "X" rating to a 14 and over rating and release it as such....More than 58 Cuts folks. Ya think Verhooven was happy about this, by the time we all saw that film in the theater it was HALF the film he intended us to see. IMO it is far more about the publics perception than the Rating itself. and how many subtle or severe changes the studio makes to the intended submitted cut.

I have misunderstood the US rating system and this film should really be R rated in the US and 15 in the UK. I am now satisfied with my eventual opinion on this matter.

well ,as he said [i]he wanted Prometheus to get a rating “that allows it to make as much money as possible. I know the importance of that. When a big film fails, it’s disastrous for all of us.” But he also blasted some of the “films this year that have got PG-13 ratings – it’s absolutely fucking ludicrous. So MPAA, get your house in order.”[/i] in the end it really is about money.

The KEY to this movie being a success is GOOD PRESS & VIRAL FAN WORD OF MOUTH type promotion. Forget about the damn rating altogether folks... Its nothing but a distraction for all concerned at this point. Here is a REAL WORLD issue to contend with.... When this movie premieres across North America on June 8th, the ONLY other nationwide competing movie that weekend will be MADAGASCAR 3... a KIDS MOVIE! Thats it!! No other major nationwide releases other than that one. Whatever the F. the final rating is, if Prometheus FAILS TO TROUNCE Maddagascar 3 in the weekend box office revenue or fails to hit anything near 100 millionish which seems to be the defacto benchmark standards for a movie with blockbuster status these days, the MEDIA will literally MURDER Ridley Scott. It will be like a feeding frenzy of negativity. So how about we all agree to put any criticism aside, GO OUT AND SEE THE MOVIE, and try to support our friend Ridley Scott... so that his hopeful success with this will LEAD TO MORE before he finally decides to "retire".. (( He is already 75 folks!! ))

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