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Detection of COAL on LV-426

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IO

MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 11:24 PM
In ALIEN, when Dallas asks Ash for an atmospheric analysis, he states some familiar trace elements etc etc, then ends with it has a layer of coal well below the base line, intriguing himself and Dallas. This means that LV-426 had organic life at one time since coal comes from organic matter. Any thoughts? If this has been discussed my apologies...
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clr

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 12:45 AM
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Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 12:45 AM
From the script. ASH 10 percent agron, 85 precent nitrogen, 5 percent neon...I'm working on the trace elements ASH Rock, lava base. And cold... well below the centrigrade line However I like your interpretation better it leaves a lot more possibilities.

IO

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 12:53 AM
Thanks for the clarification. Was just watching Alien and picked that up and was wondering why that was never discussed. My bad hearing I suppose lol. Thank you.. But that would have made things interesting

Ghost Solitare

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 1:11 AM
No, no, no. I told you that if they had actually used your dialogue it would have been much more interesting. Suggesting that the Derelict may have harvested those Eggs from LV426. Anywho, it all turned out badly in the long run. Poor little explorers. : (

Golic

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 2:15 AM
Ash says "Deep Coal" am I right?

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MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:26 PM
Deep cold, well below the line. That's what is said.

IO

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 4:14 PM
It does sound like Ash says "deep coal" well below the line, and Dallas goes "humph.." sounding intrigued. And he's already talking about a lava base with Dallas after they discussed the primordial atmosphere. So to me it wouldn't make sense to say "deep cold" when talking about what's below the surface unless he was talking about permafrost and that doesn't seem to be the case, it just wouldn't make sense. I closed captioned it and it interprets as "deep cold ", but it still may not be right.. Unless I see it in a true movie script I won't be sure and this could change the complex of this new movie prequel.

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 4:47 PM
Actually, I don't think that a towing vehicle has underground probes to do a stratigraphic analysis and verify that there is coal in the deep. But that's just my view. Then again, in my opinion it makes more sense to say the surface temperature of a planet when you first get to know it rather than its composition, especially if you are going to take a walk on it. Apart from that, the script says so, and if you don't believe the script, the subtitles in the DVD say "cold". Also, the foreign language translations say "cold".
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MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:17 PM
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Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM
Please delete this thread, do not know what happened...

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM
Please delete this thread, do know know what happened...

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM
Incredible, that same remark sparked the same reaction on many people; in the script what was actually said was a reference to temperature not coal. The latter would have made sense though also, since Dallas nods with an interested.."hmmm"; being they work on a refining facility...

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:25 PM

IO

MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 7:24 PM
@NoXword...thanks for the clarification. I still want to see the script though, because CC and subtitles are sometimes wrong. Ash has a British accent and it can be misinterpreted through subtitles etc. I'll look online for the original script. Once again, I feel "deep coal"makes sense in the context of the conversation. Why would it be deep cold under a lava base which he was describing. Why didn't Ash say deep cold when talking about the atmosphere? And I personally believe the vehicle would have detection devices. We can detect coal layers today on sound waves alone. Anyway no need to argue, you are probably right. But I thought it would change things some, it does in my head lol

Dave_b

MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 8:33 AM
Ash clearly states, "Deep coal, well below the line." The translations are incorrect and even words are changed and deleted all over the place on the DVD. The staement uses terms applicable to mining jargon . The "line" refers to the surface of the crust. Centigrade is not mentioned and the terms do not apply to any meterological vernacular I've ever heard used. Dallas would not be intrigued by cold weather, but coal would be useful.

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 10:25 AM
So the foreign translations (I don't mean the subtitles, but actual professional dubbing) are wrong? Fox gave wrong scripts to the translators? Might be, but I honestly doubt it, everything else is translated correctly. But then again, to each his own. Peace
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

IO

MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 6:12 PM
Well IMO I feel "deep cold" is obvious and extraneous convo, and doesn't apply to the subject they were speaking of. However, "deep coal" adds to the lore of the planetoid so I'm sticking with that. We'll have to see if there is any connections to there being ancient life on LV-426 and plots in Prometheus. We shall see

Macs

MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 9:30 PM
One thing to note about coal this far in time (prometheus world), is that hydrocarbons are obviously still central as energy source. So it means they must have found a way to deal with CO2 emissions and the sort...or most of it used extra-planetary...

nemec

MemberOvomorphApr-15-2012 11:20 AM
from the revised final script june 1978 EXT. SHIP A ring of floodlights comes to life. Dimly illuminating the rocky landscape. The wind and dust now at a higher pitch. CUT TO: INT. BRIDGE - NIGHT Dallas stares at the dark screens. KANE We can't go anywhere in this. ASH Mother says the sun's coming up in about twenty minutes. DALLAS How far from the source of the transmission. ASH Northeast... about 3000 meters. KANE Close enough to walk. DALLAS Let's run an atmospheric. Ash punches buttons, starts to consult his panel. ASH 10 percent agron, 85 precent nitrogen, 5 percent neon...I'm working on the trace elements. DALLAS Pressure. ASH Ten to the fourth dynes per square centimeter. KANE Moisture content. ASH None. Zero. DALLAS Anything else. ASH Rock, lava base. And cold... well below the centrigrade line. KANE I volunteer for the first group going out.

nemec

MemberOvomorphApr-15-2012 11:30 AM
The script says"cold"but i agree with the majority,coal is more plausible.

Gloryroader

MemberOvomorphApr-17-2012 10:21 PM
When all else fails, look to the second movie, when Ripley says, "Did IQs just suddenly drop while I was away? Ma'am, I already said it wasn't from there. It was a derelict ship. We homed in on it's signal." This is in response to one of the panel members in her hearing stating that LV-426 is "a rock, no indigenous life." Which doesn't necessarily preclude the existence of life sometime in LV-426's past, but it's an indication that there hasn't been. Added to what the script says from the first film, the subtitles, the foreign translations...I'd have to say that Ash is referring to the temperature. Also, "Humph" is not necessarily an indication of intrigue. It could just be a noncommittal acknowledgement that Dallas heard what Ash said, or it could be a sound of being perturbed at the idea of someone going out in those conditions.

PRO II

MemberOvomorphApr-18-2012 7:15 AM
I always thought the line was: "deep 'core' well below the line" meaning (in my mind) the crust/mantel was thinker then normal..... I must watch again with subbies
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