Invite us to their planet then kill us?

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MemberOvomorphApril 28, 20124611 Views148 RepliesJust like some of the other members of this forum, I was a bit puzzled why an alien thousands and thousands of years back would leave a map showing us how to reach them if we ever figure out space travel, just to try and destroy us when we get there. That's the one thing about the story that has really lost me. It simply doesn't make sense.
One possibility I have considered is that maybe it was never our visitor who attacks the crew. Maybe whatever visited us went extinct or was wiped out by the space jockeys. Maybe there's something we haven't seen in the trailer.
Any alternate takes on this? Would love to hear your thoughts.
April 28, 2012
No was not Giger ...was the one who was talking in an article called "the planet" ,,,he did talk about the "metallic" look instead of the "organic" one of alien and spilled some infos about the story ...included the fact that the SJs did help humans for many centuries
April 28, 2012
I don't know about earning their respect there Sparky.....in all honesty, it would appear to me that what this comes down to is the crew triggering an intended doomsday event by the SJs and that they manage to avert the disaster they set into motion.....Somehow I doubt that the Jockies can [b]reasoned[/b] with or impressed by us.
April 28, 2012
What if the alien/sj found/seen in alien is in fact a mutated crew member from the prometheus, thats ends up altered and fact that the solgan for this film states "that the crew must survive on a distant planet," means there is some who survive....maybe, just maybe, the crash sj ship we see is one of many, (like our space shuttles, we only have 6 but lost 2) and when its damaged, the remaining promethus crew finds another, maybe david, understands it, gets it powered and leaves, but his destiny leads into the found ship in alien...meaning he was able to land it..before he dies...... just a thought.
April 28, 2012
when I said respect what I meant was the Space Jockeys sitting around a table after this all over and B******G to eachother...
"Those F*****s" they sure made that whole thing take longer than necessary"
April 28, 2012
@ allinamberedclad,
My reason for thinking this is because Shaw says we never should have come.
This could either mean they shouldn't have period. or once they were there they screwed up somehow and pissed the SJ's off warranting the "we should have never come here".
Also, drawings from various tombs and pyramids on earth depicting the coordinates of the space jockeys were done thousands of years ago and perhaps the SJ's thought it would never be possible for the humans to break that down and figure it out let alone fly to the destination.
Why have advanced security features if the SJ's want visitors. Why have the deralict space ship go back to earth if you dont want them there.
IMO the only two scenarios are:
1. They dont want the humans there.
2. Humans show up, piss off SJ's, steal technology, trip security measures, fall into a trap.
April 28, 2012
@iwannaseeitnow
I am with you on this one. If you don't want people to come visit then you don't leave maps telling them where you live.
I also think people are too hung up on the name Prometheus and it's significance. The film may be about mankind stealing from the gods but there is no guarantee that the theft didn't happen in ancient times, ie when they visited. I doubt we (humans) will be painted as the bad guys in the movie.
Personally I think it will be something else. What that is I don't know.
April 28, 2012
Guess We have to say this all again guys...
[b]
THERE WAS NO MAP THEY DID NOT INVITE US ANYWHERE !!![/b]
April 28, 2012
@BioShock
But, Shaw having formed that opinion, if she does, has no bearing at all on the [i]intention[/i]?..
And if the Beings thought, "it would never be possible for the humans to break that down and figure it out let alone fly to the destination", then what possible reason and value would there be in them leaving the co-ordinates you speak of?
What evidence is there of, "advanced security features"?!...
Is this just your interpretation?
I don't completely follow your reasoning. But it's interesting.
April 28, 2012
The other thing that it's not wise to forget is that both Scott and Lindelof seem to be totally fine with their storytelling being (and remaining) rife with ambiguities even as the final credits roll by. Blade Runner (Is Deckard a replicant or not?), LOST (WHY exactly did the statue have 4 toes?).
Perhaps all the film does is pose more philosophical questions.
The thing I like about Ridley's SciFi is that it's a bit more like real life than say... Roland Emmerich’s. Things can be subtle and are more 'normal' when they are messy. There's no "Yeay! The Amuhricans won!" factor required at the end.
The film may end without our knowing a damn (significant) thing more about the big picture cosmology than, "Well, some of our assumptions were wrong.” The Engineer(s) may not speak. Or, conversely, David may end up knowing everything (and we may even KNOW that he knows everything), but be programmed to tell us (the audience) nothing (and be destroyed before a single bean is spilled).
That doesn't mean that the film won't have its own rock-solid internal logic and be thoroughly satisfying. In fact, regardless of what the ACTUAL true backstory is, we probably are more philosophically (and more importantly emotionally) satisfied by not knowing (everything).
April 28, 2012
The other thing that it's not wise to forget is that both Scott and Lindelof seem to be totally fine with their storytelling being (and remaining) rife with ambiguities even as the final credits roll by. Blade Runner (Is Deckard a replicant or not?), LOST (WHY exactly did the statue have 4 toes?).
Perhaps all the film does is pose more philosophical questions.
The thing I like about Ridley's SciFi is that it's a bit more like real life than say... Roland Emmerich’s. Things can be subtle and are more 'normal' when they are messy. There's no "Yeay! The Amuhricans won!" factor required at the end.
The film may end without our knowing a damn (significant) thing more about the big picture cosmology than, "Well, some of our assumptions were wrong.” The Engineer(s) may not speak. Or, conversely, David may end up knowing everything (and we may even KNOW that he knows everything), but be programmed to tell us (the audience) nothing (and be destroyed before a single bean is spilled).
That doesn't mean that the film won't have its own rock-solid internal logic and be thoroughly satisfying. In fact, regardless of what the ACTUAL true backstory is, we probably are more philosophically (and more importantly emotionally) satisfied by not knowing (everything).
April 28, 2012
[quote]› Posted Apr-28-2012 11:49 AM | Moderate
There were 5 star maps from ancient humans telling us where to find them[/quote]
SHOW THEM TO ME.
THE TRUTH IS ALL 5 STONE TABLETS DECPICT THE EXACT SAME THING A HUMAN POINTING TO SOME STARS.
'NUGH SAID!!!
April 28, 2012
OR 7... WHATEVER NUMBER IT WAS, THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL...HUMAN..POINTS TO STAR CLUSTER.
April 28, 2012
Yes, done by the hand of the artists themselves. I don't think the engineers broke out the pigments and sculpting tools to put those dots there themselves. It may be something that's imprinted in the collective human subconscious, or the engineers had some kind of telepathic influence over the artists of sevearl different cultures.
Whether they represent a map, an inventation, or a subconscious creative impulse remains to be seen.
April 28, 2012
Ya know what enough is enough of this,
I will tell you exactly what those stone tablets from Ancient times are...
A WARNING TO "STAY THE F**k AWAY !!! A WARNING...DO NOT MEDDLE" !!!
April 28, 2012
Did one of the early "leak" things say they were resource hungry? Maybe it is designed as a trap. When your civilization gets to a point where you can make it to lv223 your home world is ready for harvesting.
We are cattle to them.
April 28, 2012
1: "Prometheus" has nothing to do with "E.T." or "Close Encounters." This movie is much more likely to be similar in tone to "Alien," where [i]survival[/i] is the best we can hope for, in an implacably hostile universe.
2: There is no way all those early human civiilizations could have known where the Engineers came from, [i]unless they were deliberately told[/i].
3: The Engineers presumably had some purpose in mind, when they meddled with the course of evolution on Earth. Given point 1, it's natural to expect that purpose was, and is not, benign.
4: What we've become, ( a technological, spacefaring race ) is presumably, [i]a direct, entirely predictable result of their meddling.[/i]
5: It doesn't make any sense that the Engineers would uh, [i]engineer[/i] us, simply to wipe us out. Therefore, they could hardly be taken by surprise when we come calling. On the contrary, we must be[i] expected[/i].
6: The SJ ship isn't taking off, to wipe us out, but to carry out part of a very long-term plan......which for us, probably means something far worse than death.
April 28, 2012
My bad, there are 7 not 5.
Seven ancient cultures who had no contact with each other, according to the trailer.
mesopotamia, mayan,france cave paintings etc
All 7 maps point to the parent start of lv223 which is why the mission gets funded. They are going to that star because of the map. Also Shaw thinks the map are an invitation as quoted in the trailer
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