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Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:26 AMSo finally i saw it ...
lets go straight to the point ...its a very good movie that miss something to be a masterpiece , the problem is that i really dont know what .
lets be brief
1)pacing is excellent but another 20-30 minutes would not have been bad , many scenes from the trailers are cut or shoot in a different way
2) the TRAILERS did show really TOO MUCH ..
3) acting is great with Noomi stealing the scene and a great David BUT i will like to note that Marshall Logan Green was great ( and he was supposed to be the weak point ) ... Charlize have her time but is a bit odd character . Idris Elba steal the scene everytime hes in .
4) i dont know how a movie like that can be PG13 ...the Shaw scene is totally gore much more than i thought ...
5) All the Weyland part is a bit of a joke ..was totally unnecessary , that really fall in the Avp Category ( but the rest of the movie is 4 floors above any Avp movie )
6) the problem of the movie is that miss a bit of focus ...there is some alien heritage , some ethical or mystical questions , some actions , some scary ...a bit too much of everything ...im surprised that is stil a very good movie anyway
7) dont give the fault to Lindelof ...i think that his hand did help the movie , and its easy to see how ...i think the mess was created by a script that had too many heritages to the alien saga and i fear that the fault was of Spahits
8) Monsters ..lets say that the most scary things are the mutated humans
9) i think the whole concept of the movie it to not mistake Science for God ( whatever its ) and in that department the movie give the best ( work of Lindelof here )
10) 3D was totally unnecessary ...to me
11) all the aesthetic of the movie is top notch
12) all the little flaws dont allow the movie to fail ...is one of 4-5 best scifi movies of the last 30 years .
13) the engineers dont give really an idea of powerful people and even less of Gods , they are a bit silly sometimes BUT are very well done
14) its wrong to say that the plot have big holes , it surely have less than Alien or Aliens ...
15) ah ...well is not a Prequel ....you have to work alot with fantasy to link it to Alien .
i will add more points later :p
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Iamanalieninnit
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:38 AMDude. You say no spoilers then throw in a couple of fairly big spoilers for me straight away. I knew nothing about mutated humans. So thanks for that.
Sheesh, my own stupid fault for staying on these forums man I guess - but I'm out now, it looks great but I'm increasingly worried there isn't a single surprise for me left now. See you all next week.
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:40 AMI like your viewpoint it seems very reasonable. So essentially you think the films downfall was there was too much crammed in to too little a timeframe - that happens with quite a lot of good films that have a short run time i.e. Star Trek XI, I thought it was pretty good just flitted through the plot without giving time to breathe.
Membrane
MemberFacehuggerMay-30-2012 10:41 AMFrantz, I'm sure you mentioned it before, but what do you think are the other 4-5 best sci-fi movies in the last 30 years?
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:41 AM@Iamanalientinnit
You see of the trailers? Like any? I think mutated humans was one of the first revelations of the film in the teaser trailer. Like that they are gonna be scary.
Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:51 AMMembrane yes its difficult to find even 2 good SERIOUS sci fi movies in the last 30 years .... the best one is probably Moon but is not exactly science fiction ...
Mutated crew a spoiler ?? come on ..
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:00 AMI'd rate my top 5 serious sci-fi's as
1. Alien
2. Blade Runner
3. Aliens
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
Stuck on 5th
Membrane
MemberFacehuggerMay-30-2012 11:00 AMPrometheus is the name of the ship... oops, spoiled that one. :-)
Haujobb - Membrane / Acretongue Remix
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:02 AMI hope Prometheus enters my top 5 - most likely will tbf
Ebugogo
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:14 AMThe trailer which shows David pointing out that it is demeaning for us to say that humans made androids simply because they could, as if it meant nothing to us. Yet, we are super excited to find out why we were made, basically showing that we are lousy, hypocritical "Gods." I hope that theme is explored more in the movie, I don't recall it quite being covered that way by any movie since Blade Runner, it really makes you think twice about our predictable lack of empathy.
If we ever do get to the point where we can make self aware machines, I hope we are up to showing them some respect, but I think it will be exactly how it goes in Prometheus - and what about if we genetically engineer self-aware non-human bioforms, how will we treat them? Probably worse than an android.
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:19 AMI think were as humans have created a being in their own image, yet is far superior in certain aspects, displays vanity and envy for perfection. Probs why humans dislike robots in nearly every movie.
The Matrix trilogy hinted at humanity's hubris of creation, the animatrix did a much better job of going into it. It really displayed how naive and arrogant humans can be.
As for the Space Jockey's I reckon their bio-creations are probs for a purpose (yet to be revealed) but turn out like frankenstein's to be feared and spurned towards. It displays a transendence in leading by example. If the Space Jockey's made us then we have essentially inherited their hubris psychologically and applied it in our on way with our own technology.
Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:19 AMsorry if that was really off topic just really wanted to post it and it was in my head
iapetus
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:34 AMgood review Frantz, better and more insightful than mine on several crucial points. Have to say I think we basically share a very similar feeling about the film, which can be summed in
'not perfect but flaws are largely compensated by good element ; prob not a masterpiece but very good quality sci-fi" - would even dare say it's a bit early to have a definite view about its masterpiece status, as long as so little people have yet seen it and given how irrational such phenomenon can be.
-T.
Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:50 AMyes every person that did watch it with me said "good , but .." ... ( your review is more complete iapetus !! )
BTW there cant be things more far from GODS than the Engineers of the movie , they are irritable , emotional , scared plus they make alot of errors and they usually die in stopid ways .
Otto
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:51 AMTy frantz...I think the buzz building from this movie in the "general population" (non Fanboys) is growing REMARKABLY fast here in the US. I've not seen a film gain this much traction so quickly. In the last week, it's gone from a "WHAT movie?" to "ooo---that's the one we HAVE to see"...I think the ads have really gone nuclear over the last week, and the subsequent word of mouth has picked up...
This movie is going to be hailed as the best of the summer...certainly WAY better than Avengers and TDKR...
Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:11 PM...i love sci-fi as much as as i love fantasy and the odd arty movie only shown in select cinemas....pure action movies i find intensely boring...think Prometheus will cater to my needs!
Prometheus is gonna be a blockbuster of note IMO..... everyone is so curious and many who have seen it wants to go watch it a second time...always a good sign!
dopelganger
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:23 PMWell the good news is it is too short of a film. You ask how that is good - can you say directors cut on BluRay with an additional say 30 mins of footage? Never know but RS is always good for some surprises on his cuts.
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RSAND
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 1:18 PMNo spoilers? You gave away too many key points.
I think I will stay away until I see the film.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 5:31 PMHey Frantz, how did those BS scripts stand up to the movie?
orangecat
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 6:24 AMOne could argue that we already have shown our contempt for our own creations with cloned and GM animals and crops etc. We grow these things 'because we can' and with no thought of how they would fit into our ecosystem in terms other than their 'usefulness'. This already backfires in terms of disease and mutation that science is aware of but commerce suggests we ignore. I imagine it wouldn't be much different if we eventually could create android life or successful human clones...
Madsrosen
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 9:01 AMThere's just not enough "meat" on the plot. You barely scrape the surface of the different subjects, before it moves on.
This movie demands a good extended.
If it wasnt for the impressive sceneries and the good cgi, I would have been disappointed. But it was good.
I rate it 7,5 out of 10 albino mountaingoats
I'd like to advice people to go see the 2d version. The only thing you'd get out of the 3d version is the discomfort of the 3dglasses.
Madsrosen
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 9:11 AMBTW - You have to use NO fantasy to link it to Alien!! It links perfectly.
This plot just happens a long time before the original alien (......it's a prequal).
gameover man
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 9:19 AMNo spoilers? c'mon man, why would you do that? how is a general review of the movie like that not a spoiler? if you've seen it, and are going to reference it, put it under the spoiler page.
Madsrosen
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 9:40 AMI don't see how his review could be a spoiler?
That's like saying the trailer is a spoiler,
If somebody says it sucked, would that be a spoiler to you too? :P
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