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MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 5:59 PMPossible spoilers. Don't read until after you see the film.
I just read a new synopsis of the film and during it I caught one thing that is central to the action of the film. Would anyone agree with me that Prometheus is about faith even when all seems lost and sacrifice may be necessary? Many of the characters either place little to no faith in Shaw's theories as it relates to a kind or creationism or intelligent design argument versus traditional Darwinian scientific views. The majority or the characters are selfish rather than selfless. Could it be that Shaw is ultimately saved by her persistent faith and could Janek be akin to the sacrificial engineer in that he destroys himself to protect life or give life another chance? Thoughts anyone? Now I wonder if I have been a bit too harsh. Though some might say, not harsh enough. The 10.11.12 date following the on screen message that the film was the property of Weyland Corp and had received it over the network appears at the end of the credits too. 10.11.12 also appears as the founding date of Weyland Corp. It is the latest thing being teases on the companion websites promoting the film. Guessing it is the home video release date. Just guessing though. I don't know of any announcement. That could be the date the announcement comes too. My guess, Prometheus might not be out till November. Just a guess.
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 6:05 PMThe home release has been confirmed to be on 10/8/12 (according to another member who looked it up).
But I just realized something:
Is 10/11/12 - October 11th, 2012 -or is it- November 10th, 2012?
I know that a timeline entry has been confirmed, but what if we're being Lindelofed here?

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 6:33 PMSo we get the home release in 2 months time? Cool! I was expecting to wait at LEAST 6 months(I havent bought a home release on release date since Jurassic Park 1 lol)

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 7:43 PM
[i]I just read a new synopsis of the film and during it I caught one thing that is central to the action of the film. Would anyone agree with me that Prometheus is about faith even when all seems lost and sacrifice may be necessary?
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Well yes. The surface plot is about 17 people going 34.5 light years away for various reasons and getting into trouble. The underlying story, is about themes of faith (in people and in myths / religion) and sacrifice.
I would zone in on four characters as driving this main theme.
Weyland, Shaw, David, Janek . On the superficial level Weyland and Shaw are believers, and David and Janek are not. Shaw is contrasted with the android, her polar opposite, who thinks 'Why' is irrelevant. Weyland is the opposite of Janek. Weyland would risk us all to demand immortality. Janek will give his own life, to let us die of old age rather than alien attack.
[b]Weyland[/b] has a massive god complex. His company is 'building worlds' terraforming and colonising, he has created (artificial) life, and he wants to live forever. A King refusing to die. He believes that his maker is out there. and thinks he can stroll it and start making demands for immortality. Instead, he finds himself beaten to death with the head of his creation, David, used as the weapon. In the end, he says "there is nothing". Some will think that he realises life doesn't have an over arching purpose or afterlife, others that he simply didn't qualify because he was so selfish, and aspired to BE like the gods, rather than to be good.
[b]Shaw[/b]. Also a believer, but I believe she's going to backfire on the christian apologist who think this film is actually showing 'christian victory', because the hero is so devoted to the cross. She shows no sign of piety, no praying, no abstaining from pre-martial sex, and her devotion to her cross, and the basis of her religion is heavily flagged as being 'because I choose to' which is kind of ironic as most believers 'choose' to follow the religion of their parents, and because her mother died when Shaw was very small, and her father was a missionary, who also died, and the cross is a keepsake.
Shaw is very strong spirited, but I don't really accept the premise that she is religious, although she may be spiritual. They do try to confuse us with some of her actions, like when she's flat out, ready to die, and says "oh, god, I'm sorry" and then "I'm sorry Charlie" this isn't delivered like a prayer, and "Oh god" is often said as a mere exclamation of stress or suprise. Likewise, 'talking to the dead' is not a christian thing, (unless they were dead for three days and then resurrected). It is however a natural human thing, when accepting loss.
[b]David[/b]
David as an android is a created being who knows and obeys his creator, without free will, and with no purpose beyond that. He does over time start to get curious and at times annoyed with this feeling that, despite being smart, fast, and having the ability to last for a very long lifetime, he has limitations that 'puny mortals' do not have. His own master, although thinking of him as almost a son... is very sure about the 'almost' bit, and reminds EVERYONE in the room, that one of them has no soul, and doesn't even appreciate what that means. Holloway also mocks him for this, but Shaw's faith intrigues him, and while he initially mocks her, he starts to admire her, and his curiosity drives him to steal her cross, and bring it with him to the meeting with the space jockey (who he sees as a superior race), but I think when rejected by them (by decapitation - which is a rather concise message) he looks to Shaw to be his next master.
We can expect more of the debate on the big 'question' of 'why' to happen between Shaw and David, and I think we'll see Shaw become less overtly religious, while David starts to understand purpose.
[b]Janek
[/b]Janek is not a believer, despite our first sight of him, erecting a Christmas tree. He says he likes to mark the holidays, as a way of marking time (did you notice they came out of 'warp speed' on the Solstice by the way?)
Janek seems kind of shallow at first, he likes to drink, play music, and he really likes the chance to get into Vickers underpants although its clear he isn't interested in her personality (her being a robot probably wouldn't matter to him, he just asked because she seemed so cold) .
But it is Janek who, when "the chalice" is put to him, realises that there is nobody else that he can pass it to.
With no sign that he believes in any kind of afterlife, reward in heaven, Janek does the Kamikaze run, because he'd rather not live and let all his friends and family back home die. There's nothing ritual about his sacrifice. It's all practical, and I could even include the "hands up" bit at the end. (no last minute swerves of self preservation) . although some might see that as something like a pose of someone nailed up.
[i] Many of the characters either place little to no faith in Shaw's theories as it relates to a kind or creationism or intelligent design argument versus traditional Darwinian scientific views. The majority or the characters are selfish rather than selfless. Could it be that Shaw is ultimately saved by her persistent faith and could Janek be akin to the sacrificial engineer in that he destroys himself to protect life or give life another chance?
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Janek is not like the sacrificial Space Jockey, in my opinion. Firstly , I think that the Space Jockey in scene 1 is not an engineer, but a drone, who is dying because that is his function. He is not in the least bit upset. He's like an android following a mission. He has nobody to mourn him and he will seed a planet with his dna.
Janek on the other hand does care about dying, but he also cares about other people. He's not seeding life, but saving it by tackling a threat.
Also did you notice this Janek... starts with "J" has five letters, and dies with two scoundrels either side of him. Remind you of anyone?
Although one important difference between the J-man of Prometheus and the J-man of 2,000 years ago is that Janek was not chosen by prophecy, the only person who foresaw that he might have to die, was himself, and he didn't die to open the gates of heaven for our souls, he died to 'close the gates of hell' so monsters would not rip apart our bodies, leaving us to find out for ourselves if the pearly gates will cope with a few billion sudden arrivals.
[i]The 10.11.12 date following the on screen message that the film was the property of Weyland Corp and had received it over the network appears at the end of the credits too. 10.11.12 also appears as the founding date of Weyland Corp.[/i]
I'm hoping that they really surprise us, and that's the date the sequel comes out that they filmed in tandem....

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-29-2013 1:23 PMThough dated I like the thoughts and explanation that Hadley's Hope posted.
The coupling and contrasting of some key charactors was a curious few lines.
Too bad I have not read many Hadley's Hope threads or posts of late.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
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