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MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 5:58 AMThis just in on twitter. Gutted.
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genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:37 AMFull rotation, i believe. :)
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.

David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:43 AMEngineering:
lol I feel not offended at all mate. All is good.
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synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:45 AM[u]Engineering[/u]: You wrote: "Is there anything in the film that confirms that the Prometheus departed from earth."
No, there isn't. Additionally, on the "Discover New Worlds" page on the Weyland Industries site one can see that in deep space far from Earth there are planets that have been terraformed by W.I. that are labelled as being hubs/production sites for FTL vessels. Even though this is a fictional universe one's real world common sense suggests that it makes no sense for the Prometheus to have deployed from Earth when there are numerous W.I. bases located in deep space that are a lot closer to LV-223 than they are to Earth.

genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:49 AM@ Synthetic 69: Thumbs up, exactly what i was thinking.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:55 AMIn regards to my earlier question of why this is so important I really don't need an answer. I know it's all about everyone's faith or lack-there-of in Lindelof and Scott in regards to knowing where the hell this is all going.
One thing everyone should realize is that while Scott is one of the best directors ever he is by no means perfect. He also deeply involves himself in more aspects of his films than I've ever seen a director do. And I've studied quite a few directors. The fact that he has his hands in absolutely every aspect of the film and dives into what some would call minute details which most directors leave to their respective departments gives even more room for something to slip by.
The main reason I brought Blade Runner's mistakes into the conversation isn't really because the film has NUMEROUS mistakes in aspects from continuity, costume and a lot in between. The real reason I brought it up was a "writing" or "script" error. When Bryant is giving Deckard the low-down on the escaped replicants he tells him that SIX replicants escaped from an off-world colony and that one was fried trying to break into Tyrell Corp. This would leave FIVE replicants instead of the FOUR Deckard retires.
This mistake was made because in earlier drafts of the script there was a 5th replicant named Mary. The character, however, had been dropped.
I have a few points I'm trying to get across...
1)We have absolutely no proof that it was a mistake.
2)We have absolutely no proof that if it was a mistake that it was a Lindelof mistake.
3)If it in fact is a mistake there could be any number of reasons for it. LIndelof being an idiot could be one but there could be countless others.
4)There could actually be reasoning behind the 36 hour instead of 24 hour line.
5)Until we see an actual FINAL DRAFT set script that shows it, and Lindelof says that it was a straight up mistake instead of having reasons behind it we will have no idea either way.
6)This is why I bring up Blade Runner. Even if it was a mistake it really means nothing as far as the quality of the overall film. Blade Runner has tons of blunders and is still the #1(if not it's a close 2nd) sci-fi film of all time.
If you let something like this ruin a movie for you I really think you've missed the point of Ridley's filmaking process if not all non-documentary film making in general.
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 11:59 AM@David1...Great! I really didn't mean to offend or piss anyone off and I do realize how stupid some of what I said was but this subject just seems to get me going for some reason. I'm glad we smoothed everything over.
@Genjitsu17...Thanks for the confromation.
@Synthetic_69...Very good point!
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the_dude
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 12:20 PMPeople make mistakes. None of us are any better. These things happen all the time in movies, no matter how much we may love a particular film. Even Alien has a flub or two. Prometheus is a movie and nothing more. It is simply there to entertain. The "36 hours" issue is a quibble and nothing really to be obsessed over. Love it or hate it, Prometheus is just a movie.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 12:46 PM@the_dude...Great point. What's sad is that I don't obsess over the "mistake" at all. I obsess over some people's reaction to it lol! I'm pathetic indeed.
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Benji Taylor
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:03 PMHi all this is Benji from WhatCulture, the writer whom Jon tweeted.
When/ if Damon gets back to me I'll let you guys know.
Thx all,
Benji
@BenjiTaylorWins on Twitter

joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 1:25 PMI just want to echo "engineering"'s sentiments. Also, The entire discussion is complete conjecture at this point. If spaihts didnt write the line, then he really has no reason to suggest that it was an error. Could be an error...on the other hand, there are quite a few scenarios where david's wording could be part of character development etc. As others have mentioned..."the A2's always were a bit twitchy" (bishop). Imagine the flaws present in the first run of androids. Lets see what lindelof says.

synthetic_69
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 2:00 PM[u]joeyjoe[/u]: You wrote "on the other hand, there are quite a few scenarios where david's wording could be part of character development etc."
Whenever the above topic arises I can't but help think of David saying to Holloway "Perhaps" after Charlie asks David if he can read the glyphs on the walls outside the ampule chamber. David is both brilliant and devious. That in combination with Bishop's "twitchy" remark makes for some interesting interpretation of certain scenes in "Prometheus".

deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 5:19 PMJust to let you know I haven't read anybody else's post to this topic, but I'm gonna just throw this out there.
Let's say you're Ridley Scott, and you are prepping Fassbender to play the part of the 1st series of android that is to appear in the timeline of the Prometheus/Alien franchise.
So now you're Ridley and you're telling him, the David androids are the FIRST series of androids in this universe I created, (and if you guys recall) Ash comes next and Bishop after and so on...and they all become more advanced IN THAT ORDER...
SO: The David series, although portrayed greatly by Fassbender, are to be replaced in the future by Ash and company, so that tells me, the David androids are far from being the perfected android that Weyland had envisioned.
Now to get to my point!!! Where am I going with this?
You're Ridley and you know you have a terrific actor in Fassbender, so you lay down the ground rules (the Davids are the first series of android)
So now you say "Okay, Micheal (Fassbender), here is your line with Charlize (Vickers) she asks you this this and this, and you reply "this" BUT feel free to improvise at any point.
So here comes Fassbender, saying his line, and (remembering that the Davids are the first series, and therefore must be very flawed, he throws the line out there of 36 hours.
Guess what?
It's a hit with the director and therefore stays in the final cut of the movie.
There is your answer to it "not being in the script, but yes it was supposed to be in the movie."
Pure act of improvisation on the part of Michael Fassbender!
Tah da!!!
Dont believe me? Then check out these movie scenes that weren't in the movies script, but turned out to make them world famous for generations to come...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTFQBHBeleE&feature=player_embedded]25 Greatest Unscripted Scenes in Films[/url]
And I believe you guys are missing the fact that this being an error has STILL not been confirmed if you read the quote:
“In candor, I didn’t write that line. I presume it’s an error on the page or on the day. Ask Damon.”
And they are also hinting at the point that the Davids are flawed with this quote:
"Robots have been showing off with this trick as long as there have been robots…”
I STILL don't see anywhere where there is PROOF, that JUST BECAUSE the line wasn't scripted, that it was never meant to be in the movie....

Shane
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 6:21 PMI noticed. I didn't care.
It's a movie. Show me a movie without a ton of mistakes in it and I will scream "bullshit" and find some for you. Every movie has errors. Deal with it.

sukkal
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:08 PM
Mehh! This is NOTHING...
Did anyone notice that Fifield and Milburn were supposed to be (ehem)
S C I E N T I S T S ?
At least David was never directly credited as being a clock.

Jelbright
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 7:49 PMDavid was testing Vickers by saying it wrong. I believe he was looking for holes in her mentally to take advantage of later on. There is NO WAY everyone involved including Fassbender would not catch that error. It sounds wrong as soon as you say it.

Jelbright
MemberOvomorphJul-16-2012 8:12 PMI think he was building a case in his "mind" for his superiority as compared to his maker. "Big things come from small beginnings".

Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-16-2012 7:52 PM@Jelbright; Good point, maybe David was just testing with Vickers in that really strange way he plays with all humans.

deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 5:32 AMAnybody ever see the movie [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307901/]"25th Hour"[/url] with Edward Norton?
Perhaps that's an error on behalf of the people who made the movie?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
Wait a minute........is it?

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 1:30 PMTHere has been a book out for many years titled/"The 36 hour Day',,but it doesn't relate to the movie.
Maybe it is a 36 hour day on the moon that Prometheus is going to land on....and this is David's way of alerting the Engineers(who are monitering the Prometheus) to get ready...
The best answer is the easiest: Ridley allowed the 'flubbed' line to stay in the final cut,,to see if the audience was awake...and see if fans really care about the details, That way Scott knows he in on the right path to provide a high quality storyline ..for the casual and real fans of the Prometheus adventures..
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