Ambiguity Debate - Q4 - Drones & Warriors
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteAugust 15, 20128900 Views129 RepliesVery often we have seen members, and staff, claim that Prometheus and the Alien franchise (and other franchises that may or may not be part of the same universe) have very few certain facts, and that everything else is open to interpretation and speculation, therefore being ambiguous.
Is this true, or is it just a simple case of reading between the lines and unraveling the puzzles to reveal the facts.
So, in this debate we may or may not dispel the alleged ambiguity of aspects of this universe.
Therefore, I ask the following question(s)...
[u]Questions[/u]
Q1 - How long does it take for a Chestburster to mature into an adult Alien?
[b]FACT - Less than 1hour.[/b]
Q2 - How, and with what does a Facehugger impregnate its host?
[b]FACT - Upon locating a host the Facehugger coils its long tail, launching itself at the host’s head, gripping with its legs and tightening its tail around the neck; the Facehugger suffocates the host.
Upon rendering them unconscious, the Facehugger extends a proboscis into the host’s throat, supplying breathable air and nutrients while implanting its EMBRYO. Once the embryo is securely attached inside the host’s chest cavity, the Facehugger retracts its proboscis and dies.[/b]
Q3 - What caused the death of the Engineer seen inside the derelict Juggernaut in Alien?
[b]ASCERTAINABLE FACT - Juggernaut in flight over/near LV-426 - Egg hatches, sensing pilot above - Pilot is facehugged -Juggernaut forced to land on LV-426 - Pilot awakens and transmits signal/beacon - Chestburster born.[/b]
Q4 - What is the difference between the domed-head Aliens or Warriors (Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection & AVP ) and the ridge-head Aliens or Drones (Aliens and AVPR).
Q5 - How big is the dead Engineer inside the Derelict seen in Alien?
Q6 - Is the egg-morphing form of Xenomorph reproduction seen in Alien part of the creatures lifecycle?
Once we have, or do not have, an universally accepted answer for the last question(s) (which will be posted underneath the question), we will move onto a new question(s), and so on...
But beware, sometimes there may be trick questions, or will there be?
[center](This thread will help us, the staff, compile a series of FAQ's)[/center]
NOTE - We are all aware of some peoples opinions on the AVP movies, but they will only be cited when needed, the aim of this thread is to get the answers, or the best answers to the questions to compile FAQ's for all the movies, not just Prometheus, hence why this thread is in the Alien Discussions board and not the Prometheus Discussions board.
August 16, 2012
@ Red Wolf...
Regardless of the why it is clear that the Engineer removed his helmet or possibly even left the chair altogether, otherwise he would have not been facehugged, and because there was no damage to his helmet we can eliminate the possibility of the Facehugger burning through it. Thus no helmet/suit is the only possibility.
As mentioned in my previous post the most direct path between the eggs and Engineer pilot is through the platform, and because of the acid burnt hole in the platform, deduction and logic dictates that the hole was the point of ingress.
The acid burnt hole is clear for all to see, it is the same hole of which Kane descends down into the egg chamber, and upon Kane first discovering the hole we, the audience are shown that it has the same texture as the hole caused by the Facehuggers blood when Dallas and Ash attempt to cut off one of its fingers. If you cannot see that in the HD YouTube version, may I suggest purchasing the film on DVD/Blu-Ray. Furthermore, this hole IS in front and to the right of the dead Engineers position.
The Engineer in Alien is not the Skeletal remains of large, long dead creature - Ridley Scott clarified that before the theatrical release of Prometheus, clearly stating that it was an individual within a suit, just as in Prometheus. I know some will mention the size difference, but recall that the size difference depends upon which part of the scene you are referring to - the distant shots used Ridleys Scotts own children in smaller suits to give the impression of a 12-15 feet tall dead Engineer, but the close up shots of Dallas looking at the Chestburster wound shows the scale of the Engineer to be closer to 7-10 feet tall, which matches what we see in Prometheus.
August 16, 2012
@ eggs or something - rather than get into that whole debate, may I suggest doing a search for the word "fossil". Because a fossil, it wasn't.
August 16, 2012
Eggs or something... you misread my meaning, i meant search the other threads on this site. Because if you truly know what a fossil is then you'll know that the dead Engineers suit in Alien was NOT fossilized.
August 16, 2012
Obviously not... I suggest you read [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]This Thread Here[/url].
August 17, 2012
@ Craigamore...
I agree with idea of the Juggernaut leaving FTL being a catalyst of events, so hows this....
[b]Juggernaut in flight over/near LV-426 - Pilot drops out of FTL, leaves chair - Egg in Cargo bay hatches sensing pilot above - burns hole in platform (most direct route) - Pilot enters chair - Pilot Facehugged before helmet attached and becomes unconscious - Juggernaut forced to land on LV-426 - Pilot awakens and transmits signal/beacon - Chestburster born.[/b]
@ Red Wolf...
Its obvious the Engineer died from a Chestburster, but a universally agreed upon ascertainable chain of events leading up to his death and establishing cause - effect. Therefore it would make sense to get the best answer to the question as opposed to the easiest answer.
Also, if a facehugger crawled up the walls of the egg chamber and spat acid at the ceiling above it, the melting acid would melt downward due to gravity. Despite the fact that the acid may have been sprayed from below the acid erosion would still have occurred downward.
Here is an image of the acid burnt hole in the derelict...
[IMG]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/acidholederelictALIEN.jpg[/IMG]
...and for comparison here is the acid burnt hole shown later in the Nostromo...
[IMG]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/acidholenostromoALIEN.jpg[/IMG]
August 17, 2012
@ Red Wolf...
I have to ask, why does it seem that you are playing devils advocate constantly, I am just asking because in all of your recent posts all I see is the constant questioning of posts, usually mine, and never any actual proposed theories or speculation.
To your queries...
The image of the acid burn was caused by a single small squirt of acid, which was able to eat through two thick layers of hull. So if the Facehugger spat acid at the hole shown in a wide arc it is viable that the hole shown from the derelict was made.
You can clearly see in both images that they have the same texture, thus were both caused by the same cause. As to the square-ish (the hole matches the segregated ring pattern of the platform, therefore is not actually square) nature of the hole, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the surrounded metal must be of a different composition, and somewhat (there is scarring) immune to the Facehuggers acid.
Also, it was clearly shown, twice, in Alien 3 that Facehuggers would hunt down viable hosts and use their acidic spit to gain access to said hosts.
August 17, 2012
@ Red Wolf...
There are the following...
- Known facts - eg. Engineer in Alien died from a chestburster.
- Ascertainable Facts - eg. Engineer was facehugged.
- Speculation - eg. Engineer gave birth to a Queen.
- Idiocy - eg. Engineer was killed by a Predator.
Known facts appear in the movies and Ascertainable facts are deduced using logic and known facts. These two can be used in conjunction to logically deduce the facts. Speculation and Idiocy only confuse the matter.
If the Engineer died from a chestburster, we apply that he therefore got facehugged, once we ascertain the most viably possible point at which that event occurred, we can then look to other known and ascertainable facts - the only known source of the facehuggers is egg chamber, seperating the two is an acid burnt hole in the platform.
[center][i]"once all possibilities have been eliminated, the only remaining possibility, no matter how improbable leads to the truth."[/i][/center]
Sherlock Holmes.
