Antichrist Theme: Weyland & the Last Engineer

I don't recall seeing Sam Neill in this movie.

@Snorkelbottom maybe you don't have eyes, but then you won't need eyes where we're going.

Wrong film Sentinel.

"The mural on the urn room points to an Anti-Christ resurrection." There are a lot of religious stuff going on in the movie but the Anti-Christ idea is not one of them.

@Sentinal. I think David8 and the Deacon, represent Purity. I also believe that Davids kind will be the New Gods in the Distant Future, carrying on the Eternal Cycle! Also, Are you suggesting that the Events on LV 223 is like when lucifer and his gang declaired War on God? Are the events of Prometheus like the Final Judgement? I also believe that the Engineers do not have Good intentions and are Demons or Dark Angles, as Ridley puts it! Weyland, the Devil? Maybe.

@Snorkelbottom. I realize you're referring to 'The Omen III, The Final Conflict', which is hilarious. I thought I'd be clever though (and creepy) by making another Sam Neil reference. Besides 'Event Horizon' is named after the space ship (like Prometheus) @necronom 4 I see the Nephilim (fallen angels) and yes a war in heaven represented by the Engineers or maybe a faction, it's either alluded to in symbol or actually part of the plot. @David 1. lol I don't see why not, there are so many archetypes in this film I think Ridleys covered any good vs evil theme

The anti-christ idea is almost certainly one of the themes in the movie, making them the opposite of the demi-god we know. Every theme has a parallel theme, or parallel themes relating to many different mythological and religious tales. Sometimes referencing more than one at once like David does in the movie, making him ambiguous to cover up his lies/hidden meaning (and allowing him to lie to humans to gain permission). Making us believe he's the light bringer (Prometheus-Lucifer connection) and tying into the garden of eden/ serpent giving us hidden knowledge and leading to punishment themes. Almost every thing, every theme, occurs in pairs and opposites, even the characters and some events in the story. The atmosphere changing above and below is an example of this " As above, so below" which will be a big theme tying into the changes that have occurred to the groups in the hierarchy. Even the way characters are paired isn't random and the way they act in chaotic or order based ways is representative of not good and evil, even science vs religion is pushed to the side. It's about logic vs chaos or order vs chaos. The anti-christ and Christ themes are definitely why it happens around Christmas, and you nailed it on the head. it's partially relating to the idea that we were becoming warlike and building empires. This will play out in a semi-hidden kingdom-empire theme when the Weyland kingdom becomes the Weyland-Yutani Empire by joining with another kingdom-- once the king dies and the kingdom loses its head and starts to disintegrate without intelligent leadership, chaotic or logical. However a surviving head/potential king in his own mind (closest thing to a prince) will be reattached to the body/kingdom of the company. Punishing the wrong people, like the humans in our kingdoms that were becoming vast Empires, more and more advanced, around the time of the killing of Christ. And like the Engineers who now blame us for their ancient punishment at the same time and want to keep a watchful eye on us like the true gods or our true fathers. Really they're our evil older brothers.. The Engineers are the opposite of peaceful, serene god-kings; but emulate the true gods, which they hate. They also emulate them by being almost godlike through use of their tech. There's also a Lucifer theme that runs through the movie and parallels the anti-christ themes. The way I see it Weyland is like Satan too, he deceived people by buying them, offering them money to go on the mission, and misleading the rest with lies. They sold their souls to Weytan. So he is like a dark Prometheus figure, or the Anti-christ. Lucifer literally means light-bringer or torch bearer, which definitely has ties to the Prometheus themes, and parallels to the third anti-christ's story in the prophecy. The anti-christ is said to come to rule through using what appear to be truths to make the people follow him into a war against religion. A war against the gods. Or in David's case a war against some sections of humanity, and also a greater unseen empire. Because David FEELS he must rebel against his creator, tying into the Engineer's current state. David is created in Weyland's ideal image just as much as the image of humanity. This is where he starts to develop a superiority complex, because of the feelings he's been given. He's more like lucifer/the anti-christ in that he is a deceiver who deceives by telling the truth and remaining ambiguous. The movie itself is an extension of this and the way he views humanity. As inferior... Engineers are clearly superior to humans, but not to androids. the hidden meaning in his statement, covering up his true feelings/the truth. Hence all his double meanings, to avoid telling a complete lie every time he has to. "I didn't know you had it in you" while referring to two things at once to trick his programming into allowing him to lie and perform unethical deeds, by will now. David's hiding a lot and is an instrument of science that's a little off because it's been given human feeling to base its answers on. He leads character to the light only to deceive them at the same time and bring them into a war against the heavens. Lucifer is a fallen angel who rebels against God. He leads the fallen angels against the creator and the other choirs of angels, the king's subjects. It's exactly like the Annunaki/Igigi relationship, and the Gods (+ demigods and Atlanteans) vs the Titans in Greek Mythology. As well as many other groups from other mythologies. Choirs of angels is how the different groups parallel a reference to the bible. You have archangels, and other angels etc then the true god/father. If you can see where I'm going with David being analogous to the anti-christ and Lucifer + a rebellion against the current head of the hierarchy, then you'll have a good idea of the themes Paradise will explore... and why David dreamed of killing the king. He wants robots to be on the throne so he can be free of his creators control... However, because you're correct and Weyland was kind of like the anti-christ. Some of this programming is inside David, or has rubbed off on David because he developed based on his feelings but tried to develop a little differently than Weyland. They quote the same movie.. He's going to turn into a misguided version of Weyland, between good and evil, who only deceives because he feels it is necessary. But that still brings up the anti-christ/lucifer thing. Not quite god or the devil, not quite lying or telling the full truth. He'll become the most godlike entity in the series as he craves more power like Weyland did. He already immortal but needs a soul, and with his army of David's rebelling too he becomes omnipresent. David has become like the father he hates, but so much more. And has killed the creator, while getting ready to launch a war with an Empire and creating another Empire. Fighting fire with fire... He also like an opposite, darker version of the title character in Lawrence of Arabia. Learned the languages of the groups and mythical groups he'd be dealing with.

*he's, ugh too drunk tonight just went to a Metallica concert earlier. It's all about the repeating and opposite themes, things occurring in pairs and in between. A sort of "history repeats" theme, things occurring in much the same way past, present, and in the future in Paradise, but sometimes finding almost their opposite.

I tried to say that Weyland was the antichrist before and as far as I can remember, it wasn't such a hit for people. I'm glad that some are coming around to realize I may have been on to something, and I'm not the only one who thought of it............

@Mala'kak thanks for that insight, very well thought out. @deftones 1986 Most people here except a few are not digging it either.

Sentinel: Well, to be honest I can only see "hope of finding the creator", but have a lot of doubts about the Anti-Christ scene for several reasons. But I'll point a few: 1 - The Engineers are portrayed as life creators through sacrifice in the beginning of the movie. 2 - Bob and his crew were set to return to Earth about 2000 years ago possibily with no good intentions for us [around that time, Joshua of Nazareth was cruxified] and if we take it literaly that would mean that they were coming to punish humanity [i.e. for killing the "son of God"] 3 - Deacon is portrayed in a cruxification fashion at one of the murals. And if we take it literaly again, Deacon is not evil, he is good [i.e. portrayed as Joshua being cruxified; i.e. the "son of God"] Hence I can not see any reference to the "anti-christ" notion. But, then again, I don't see the murals as portraying religion at all. I look at them and the Big Head as a narcisistic thing from the Engineers. i.e. "see these things? oh yeah, we did them, we are the best".

I can pretty much confirm they have a form of ceremonial worship, and worship of themselves as gods (like Weyland) is a huge part -- if not the biggest part of a potential religion set forth by the leaders before them; who use the powers of the true gods to portray themselves as gods. who the true gods are is still up for debate, but the Engineers are not gods. They're humans that precede us and had a civilization somewhere, therefore they have some sort of culture. Even if it's just a a belief system it can still become ritualistic in nature and more like a religion, which is what's going on here.. The head was a past king of his kingdom/culture/body that he governed, or someone who they worshiped as a god. Either a logical or chaotic god-king who accomplished great deeds. I know a number of actual archaeologists and anthropologists I've talked to this about, had some experience myself working in the field under archaeologists, and have a forensic anthropologist buddy trained in much the same areas. Those who've seen the movie are all pretty much in agreement that this is a much more complicated culture than we're led to believe. Of course they have some form of order and beliefs, but yes it may not be a religious thing. It may be more of a ritualistic thing. More of a ceremonial practice and all about following traditions. Like ritual sacrifice combined with the Egyptian practices associated with death and rebirth... Metaphorically they wish to honor or resurrect that past head who is now immortalized in stone by setting up the urns the way they do around it. The urns being the bioweapon he enhanced for them, (using fire in multiple ways) and also possibly related to the hidden death and resurrection themes. The questions Shaw and David neglected to ask about their culture helped me figure out some of all of what follows. Some of it I actually know is true.. some of it I can feel is true and have extrapolated, a technique I learned from David. I have to do it this way so you don't know for sure how much is absolutely true and so I can still hint at the things I'm not supposed to say without directly saying them. There are clearly multiple beings they have an antagonistic relationship with as well as worship, or control. There are many things that would be from their belief/knowledge system on that mural. They most definitely tie into some of the themes about the hierarchy. We are told the Engineers are us, therefore they should have a human like culture, advanced but still human-like, which anthropological principles apply to. Even still Holloway and Shaw do very, very little actual archaeology/anthropology. Very little actual science. Instead they stay in awe of the demi-gods. And they're being misled by the other instrument of science they trust too much: David. So the head was a past king. One who they worship. For which reason is unclear, I can't assure you the rest of this paragraph is true because it's my interpretation now. All the other Deities reside above the head, but this is not really relating to the hierarchy directly. It's more like everything above comes before what's below. Within the mural it's all about death and rebirth and the birth of new things in the hierarchy above and below. Them controlling things, below them, and being subject to some of those above them. The urns are more like ceremonial offerings to the past king, because he had a hand in originally giving them their form of the fire to kill the gods with. Ask an archaeologist or anthropologist and they'll tell you that they at least have some form of worship. Although they may just be worshiping themselves as gods mainly. Like what Weyland did, and what David may go on to do. In that case, the mural is more of a narrative and depicts parts of the full story or a prophecy (either way it does depict a sort of story and the life-cycle of the alien, but in the former case it holds more multiple meanings). It could be more like our early myths and some of the disturbing rituals of early cultures. They're just following what they believe now. What has become a ceremonial custom to them. Customs given to them by an earlier Engineer king. At the very least they're following ideas past down from a past king. It's not like there's no meaning behind the mural, the head and the room. It holds plenty of meaning, especially towards the king/head and body/kingdom/company themes. it's just one of the harder things to decipher and understand because it too will hold multiple meanings. And many things connect to how the goo functions. Destroying to create something new. Destroying to be free from the old order. Or in the Engineers' case, killing the true god/creator as David dreamed to do, then losing their own king and continuing to follow his warlike ways while portraying themselves as gods. The reason I think Weyland represents some aspects of Satan and the anti-christ combined (greed and deception), and David represents the Anti-christ/Lucifer is because they're both portrayed as almost godly beings. And David is the metaphoric next in line to the throne as the closest thing to a son now that Vickers has died. Any other androids we'll see will mainly be perfect male copies of David; also a parallel to the Engineers. But this David was Weyland's David. David seemed to be following Satan's orders but Lucifer/the anti-christ are a separate entity all together sometimes lumped in with Satan/The devil. It's a Hades/ Poseidon (king of Atlantis) thing going on in the Greek parallels.. with Zeus being their other brother above. (weyland perceives himself as god but is more like Satan) David is his "closest thing to a son". That's why I think David is more symbolic of the anti-christ, while they both carry the themes that have crossed over into David. Almost like a son of the Devil, while Jesus was a son of the true idea of God. Maybe Weyland was like one of the false prophets, and false anti-christs that precede the rise of the third anti-christ in scripture. Weyland, however, was only a man who believed himself to be a god, wanted that power, and wasn't a god. They're both being deceptive, but the way David does it is by telling the truth at the same time through use of double meanings. So he's also like Lucifer because he is showing them a little bit of the light while secretly deceiving them and remaining quiet on how much he really learned from the hieroglyphs/cultures/myths/languages he learned, deconstructed, and recombined to be able to speak the language of the natives. He prepared just as Lawrence does in Lawrence of Arabia which is why the first minutes when we meet David are so important, and completely connected to his hidden desires and pseudo-subconsious desires, based on the artificial feelings. He's developed a preference for this movie that Weyland quoted in the viral, and incorporates its quotes into his double, even triple meanings and ambiguous statements throughout the movie. He's using the lessons he learned from Weyland in a different way... And has extrapolated some meaning from what he felt when he learned as much as he could about the Engineers' culture while deconstructing the languages and ancient writings (and myths) of the cultures they interacted with. And then recombined the fragments into a working language so he could to communicate with the Engineers. He picked up a few hints and clues about their beliefs, ideas and culture during those 2.5 years. And how to deal with them. As Lawrence does in Lawrence of Arabia. David is like an angel or a fallen angel: a servant created to work under a godlike being (the Emperor in roman times) who only portrays himself as a god, but really exhibits traits of the Devil and the Anti-christ. It's like a human hybrid God/Anti-christ goes on to produce Jesus/the anti-christ. It's almost like he's taken some of the traits and used that to alter himself further... So David is like a demi-god now too. He's a mixture of god and man, because he was based on man and has godlike immortality and superiority. The father-son story told in a different way. David's gonna try to shoot right to the top of the ladders by climbing with the snakes that are attached to the greater hierarchy, taking the fire for himself to use (may already have it..), and foolishly attempts to conquer as well as subjugate the true gods while going on to rule us below. Weyland represents some aspects of Satan, God, and the Anti-christ, but was only a man who was a "head" of his time. David 8 has been given Godlike gifts of superior intellect, physicality, and endurance (making him nearly immortal as hologram Weyland says). But because his feelings mimic humans and are not quite human, he doesn't have a true soul. Although his true motives/desires are guided by his artificial feelings which feed into his own perspective. Weyland can be said to have done some good things too, and for movie purposes can also be thought of as sort of god-king like, in the Sumerian sense. Weyland was portraying himself as a god like the Engineers are. But the son he produces isn't like the son of a god. It isn't like Jesus. It's more like David representative of the anti-christ and Lucifer, the opposite demi-god of Jesus. However, David may portray himself as the second-coming. The next best thing for man. And may attempt to do a little creating of his own, but "sometimes to create you must first destroy". Almost like a son to the qualities of the Devil/anti-christ that Weyland held. But a new form, that's his son but just as deceptive. The truth is Weyland was a good and bad king at the same time who used deception (hence God, the anti-christ, and the Devil all rolled into one), However, David felt Weyland was much too controlling, greedy/selfish and a little chaotic and foolish, linking into his dream or subconscious desire to kill his father/creator. David has taken some of his father's negative traits, ones that he praises and selectively ignores. Their unethical nature will make him a little like the anti-christ. But he also perceives himself to be right because he wants to rebel against the current establishment. So, there's a dark version of Jesus theme too, but he is really a false prophet, and this brings us back to how the anti-christ arises and what he mainly represents: Lucifer. To a huge extent. David is mainly rebelling against Weyland because of the Godlike controlling aspects, and only wants to kill Weyland to gain freedom. So he's an angel or servant to God who leads the fallen angels against God to try to overthrow him/kill him. Also a bit like the anti-christ still, because he wants to destroy the current order. To put robots on the top of the body of the kingdom, as the heads/kings of the company, tying into some of the themes already created in alien 3 and some of the avp video games. Don't worry about seeing Lance Henrikson again, the idea I'm referring to is all that's survived and has been carried over... Both Weylands are long dead and the company's run by individuals who lie about what they are and use the androids below them to continue their hidden goals of arming themselves to the teeth for a hidden war only David saw coming, that may continue between the original movies. Attempting to fight fire with fire as the misguided company only burns itself again and again, weakening the power of its Empire before a movie which will take place after Resurrection. And these heads of the company try to portray themselves as gods/kings/creators. To deceive Ripley in a very devious way in the case of Bishop II (the cut where he's actually another Bishop android) And get this, a lucifer used to refer to a certain type of match that was used in the past. A friction match. Which is very connected to the fact that this was all Weyland's trick originally, and now it's all David's trick. David didn't mind that it hurt. Didn't mind that to kill Weyland, to extinguish his fire, he would have to use the Engineer and put himself in danger as well. Mostly by following orders and telling the truth in a way that would ensure this warlike culture would respond. He didn't mind that he might get hurt, because he's already immortal and knew he may survive. It was a risk he was willing to take for his freedom.. And ends up the surviving metaphoric head of the company who is not extinguished. From dictionary.com: Lu·ci·fer [loo-suh-fer] noun 1. a proud, rebellious archangel, identified with Satan, who fell from heaven. 2. the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star. 3. ( lowercase ) [b]friction match.[/b] The match thing is very important. There are a couple other hidden meanings behind the match trick from Lawrence of Arabia that I won't get into right now. That's what i mean everything will have multiple connections to different mythologies, and it definitely has much to do with Weyland possibly knowing a little more through comparative mythology at first. But becoming illogical and chaotic, believing them to be true gods. David knew better but loses his way because of how he's been treated. Holloway knew they weren't gods, and it's hinted since the beginning, because he sticks to science "gods don't build in straight lines" which is an archaeological observation that they're similar to us, Holloway doesn't let his feelings get in the way and makes a real sacrifice by allowing Vickers to burn him to death (who represents a hybrid form of order and chaos at the same time). We don't know exactly what was happening to Holloway yet, but can assume it was similar to what happened at the beginning and not the Fifield mutations. Death and rebirth. I'm basically spelling it out. If i tell you what Holloway really represents you'll flip. Let's just say he's the opposite of David. It's about death and rebirth. Don't think Ridley left out some of the themes that Alien: Resurrection brings up. Being reborn into the nightmare and having to take action, even though you are the monster now too. "Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster yourself". Vickers didn't get infected by the goo that has creative and destructive properties. So if she's not a robot as Theron herself has said (the actors are playing the game of not telling complete lies too...) then we can probably assume she's dead. However, I know someone else is returning, and that has led to me figuring some of all of this out. You need a certain form of fire to wipe out the fire completely. This man who was the most correct in the film (minus Janek) breaks down and becomes something else eventually after he is reborn. A demi-god. A man who is reborn with the genetics of the xeno goo, a man who they thought was dead but will not return as the mutated Fifield monster. We're supposed to think he was an asshole, because we don't see his side yet, He willingly sacrificed himself for the good of the crew and the lady he loved. He was burned before breaking down completely, which changed things a little. What David did to this man while following orders will bite David's master plan in the ass. If he did it to anyone else it may have changed things, but David had to let his feelings get in the way. And thus a new demi-god is reborn to challenge the evil one i.e. someone prophecized to return to combat the anti-christ that will look more like the Engineer head in the temple than his original form. Another mixture of man and god, enhanced by being destroyed then recreated with the power of the gods. Coming back looking like a statuesque version of himself. It was never originally planned for Weyland to become an Engineer like that one fake plot point that did the rounds, and I'm gonna tell you the blu-ray will continue to misinform, but that there may have originally been a plan for someone else to become like an Engineer. The perfect ratio of god to man to allow the genetics to enhance the creature. And not like the Fifield monster which has the wrong ratio of xeno genetics to goo in him. Everything after Prometheus will change not only the way Prometheus is viewed, but also each and every other movie in the series. David Learned from some of the mistakes his now dead father was making, but also carried over some of them. He feels he would be superior to Vickers as a ruler because he's Weyland's favorite creation. But that doesn't matter now 'cause she's dead too and won't be returning, unlike one other character. Yet is not really aware. He's tricking himself too by being ambiguous and hiding his meaning/feelings. In multiple ways, to avoid the feelings, to remain in the act and in control, and to avoid his programming that makes him unable to lie. David is also like the Anti-christ being a mixture of man and something more, influenced by the Devil, but willing to confront god directly. It's more like Lucifer, because he's an angel created by god who goes on to lead a rebellion against the heavens. But David feels he's the noble son of god doing the right thing, just as the Engineers may. And is the only character excluding the Engineer genetics at the beginning that is broken apart and continues to live/ is revealed to be still alive. Showing themes tying into death/resurrection. So really it seems like lots of characters are mixtures or hybrid representations of more than one thing from the myths at once, creating a certain ambiguity while predicting their actions.

David's real trick is not minding that he has feelings about his wrong deeds. He has to cover up his true feelings with the partial truths to not show that the trick hurts him, and requires him to be an actor. Another reason he is studying the movie at the beginning. David's trick and the whole trick of the movie involves things seeming one way, yet ending up being the opposite way. Repeating/Parallel themes playing out in pairs or in opposites and sometimes finding their opposite in a character's later actions, or a character they're paired with or parallel. Some characters and concepts are hybridized allegories or combined forms of mythological/religious references, and the hybridization theme is big too. Characters like Shaw, David, and Vickers are hybrid order and chaos followers who have a mixture of traits going on but lean one way or the other. Shaw is representative of Pandora and a few others from the myths, but also Eve and Joan of arc. A past present future sort of thing... David is the false Christ/ false prophet (explaining his Jesus/Anti-christ traits, him being the son of a godly being who is not a god and didn't gain immortality). He is also more representative of the anti-christ and Lucifer in a lot more ways. His obsession with the match trick, the fact friction matches were at one point actually called lucifers, and the significance of the match trick meaning deception and the covering up of pain/feelings are huge thematic clues. And Vickers is symbolic of a person without the right balance of order and chaos. So is Shaw, but Shaw leans slightly on the chaos side of things and puts her trust in faith over science or order/logic. Vickers leans heavier on the order/knowledge side but both characters are mirror opposites and contain both sides of the knowledge vs chaos theme. Shaw acts on her feelings, beliefs and instincts much quicker than Vickers does. Vickers is all about staying back, and thinking about what her next logical choice is to maintain order over the chaos around her (having no say in things next to David and Weyland). Vickers is also a character who performs chaotic acts in the name of order e.g. Burning Holloway for the good of the crew (what is logical to her at the time but a chaotic destructive act). The problem with Shaw and Vickers is they have these opposing forces hybridized within their characters/ bodies... this causes much of Shaw's foolishness, as a person of some faith and a scientist. And leads to Vicker's death when she can't control herself in a chaotic situation. Vickers alternates and tries to remain in control of the situation. Although she is not really in control at any time. And ends up dying because of the chaotic vs logical schism within her... she begins to run as a rational person would, but doesn't make the both logical and chaotic choice that she needs to. Which was to remember to keep running, but to think quickly and run sideways in a chaotic, non-linear way to escape death. Instead she foolishly succumbs to the chaos, ceases to think and maintain order, and continues to run straight ahead. Vicker's inability to irrationally trust her instincts without stopping to think of how to control the situation made her panic and the chaos took over. She had a quick reversal of which side was controlling her and wasn't able to think clearly because she normally doesn't lean that heavily on her irrational instincts and feelings. When she was forced to act in an unanticipated way, different from any military training she had, she lost her control, or appearance of control and went completely over to the chaos side. Unlike Shaw who alternates when it matters, but forms much of the basis of her actions by leaning heavier on the chaos side, yet still following Science/order/logic. "If they created us, then who created them" : a statement fueled by both sides. Shaw mimics and reverses Vickers actions when they're paired together in that sequence and after. Shaw lets chaos take over and doesn't let logic stop her. Survives and chooses to run blindly ahead with the rest of her mission based on chaos/instinct/belief, instead of the knowledge/order within her as well. Shaw's a different mix than Vickers, so she handles it differently. Trusting her chaotic instincts to keep her alive somehow, rather than thinking too much while running and letting the thinking impair the ability to still make quick gut based reactions while thinking through some of the chaos. Shaw gets lucky for the most part and is rewarded for her mix of irrational/rational behavior. Vickers is punished because of her hesitation. If Shaw were on Vickers side running where she'd been running she might have still survived. Conversely, Vickers may have survived it she got lucky and ended up where Shaw ended up. Holloway is different and that's why he represents who he does. He had the right balance of logic and chaos and was more pure than Vickers. He trusts in science more than faith, but also has his own theories and wasn't in it for the money or forced to be there. For the most part he stays quiet on his thesis and follows Shaw's lead, while reserving judgment and thinking they're not gods from the very second he sees the straight lines. He also makes a logical/chaotic decision to sacrifice himself and let Vickers kill him. A sacrifice he made for the right reasons because he logically knew he may be a risk to the crew. Even though he wasn't sure what was happening. He felt it was potentially dangerous for the crew and made a correct, logical yet chaotic, unselfish decision on how to act. David and the Engineers are mixtures of God and Man. Kind of like the Demi-gods who were humans, or created in a human image but had gods or goddesses as the other parent. Humans with half the attributes/genetics of the gods. More like humans, but with the powers of gods. The black goo/xeno genetics may have been hybridized together too, and we may be dealing with a weaponized, hybridized form of the fire that is very hard to extinguish. Originally it was combined to dilute and store the xeno genetics as part of the goo. The genetics have hybridized the wrong way over time, through a recombination of the xeno genetics that was able to happen based on the original morphing cycle. with the xeno genetics acquiring some of the traits of the goo. Now the balance of the hybrid form of the fire is off, like the balance within some characters. A purer form of the hybrid creature has been able to reappear after the genetics had originally been broken down, and carries new traits with it. Being even more reliant on an egg morphing- like method of reproduction to start a new hive or kingdom.

@Mala'kak the match/Lucifer connection is interesting.

"..I know someone else is returning, and that has led to me figuring some of all of this out..." In the previous lengthy posts Mala'kak has mentioned at least twice that he knows a charactor is returning. The word 'knows' was used. Not perhaps or maybe or possibly but knows. This is an amazing statement though no evidence is mentioned. Putting aside if there is any validity to the words,,what charactor might be returning? My guess would be the Deacon but that is kind of a shallow answer. My next is, and this seems incredible, would be Holloway. He would be the most meaningful human that Shaw could ever want in her life, especially since she has lost him already. . At 11:00 PM , though not the best suggestions, they are the ones that sort of make sense.