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Thanks for the Shares, i think the first one has some flaws, but the idea is nice.  I like the design on the second one... but  the last one has to be the pick of the bunch.

Thanks for the Share ;)

I do like the Top Design,  but i do think the one in the movie was a great design, as far as the concepts for it... sadly it was not the best on screen CGI though...  shame as a better budget could have really made it stand out more.

I like the first one as it has that Deacon like DNA to it, which i believe the Black Goo was obtained from.... however we never know if the other Outposts on LV-223 where David obtained his Juggernaught from had a slightly different version of DNA

As in Alien Engineers the Engineers were working on like 7 versions of Xenomorph like Creations... so maybe each Temple would have a slightly different strain.

And i would like to see a Deacon like Hybrid down the road, and while the Deacon in Prometheus was a Human/Deacon Hybrid i do wonder if the more older versions like the Mural actually look more like the first image shared on the OT

This would have worked better instead of the black proto/whatever morph since the other creatures were pale.

I love both of them.  They wouldn't be out of place in the hive setting of the second movie

as much as I am disappointed in the Engineers, I like this poster

She definitely looks like a mummy and like a queen and the facehugger decoration brings her into a certain context, (below supposedly the mother of Akhenaten, queen Tiye). If there will be an alien queen I surely prefer to have these looks, instead of the other infamous queen.

Thanks for this one, Ati.

That's sarcasm from David. I mean he is spending now time with Daniels and knows it's not going to change him. He shows no emotion. He smiled at the thought of a society composed entirely of synthetics. He is has some plans on that and 2 facehuggers. Maybe he learned the final lesson from Shaw that humans cannot be trusted. 

Don't underestimate David, nutcase as he became.

Lawrence of Arabia

The danger with discussing the David/Shaw arc and interpreting it is we have three versions of it.

1) The film version.

2) The film version with the Crossing and Advent.

3) The book version.

To respond to this intriguing narrative which is part of much longer passage where Daniels questions "Walter" over what he made of David and his reaction and assert things from say the Crossing which does not necessarily exist in ADF  treatment is to pile a supposition on top of another one.

Some would argue thats great, we can make up our own narrative out of all of this and project what we want on to it. We can make it both highly logical or entirely illogical. We can rationalise all of this conflicting information and make sense of it only to be left with one big question.    

The real question is does David mean anything. The answer is no other than Weyland's reasons for creating him have been retconned to make him have an overwhelming desire to sub create.  

Let me put to you a much more exciting and engaging vision.

When David and Shaw arrive at the Juggernaut they are in a plausible co dependent relationship.

The big leap forward is her repairing David and his response. We know in the imagined world he was given a programme which allowed him emotional cognition his reaction to Weyland, The Crew, Engineers and then Shaw all show an emotional back draft.

Its at that point it all goes wrong but could have gone very right.

He learns something about the Engineers in flight. Something really appalling. They view us as a biological construct from a mechanical foundation that can be redacted and improved entirely the opposite of a notion of a mind over matter creationism.

He wakes Elizabeth and of course she wants convincing and this is the answer, though an unpalatable one, that she sought, why did they create and then wish to destroy us.

Would they then bomb the s..t out of them or try and learn there secrets (and who made them) and out of that comes the most terrific story where David acts as the anchor for the action, facilitating everything and Shaw, as Noomi hoped for, becomes a much darker character. To extend their co dependency by David the ultimate butler always meeting Shaw's needs because he is infatuated with her and eventually that leads to her fall (Paradise Lost) could have been really compelling. To watch this wide eyed idealist come up against this horrific culture of consensual sacrifice with David finding in Shaw the only being that embraces him gives us logical character development, an expose of the Engineers and a deepening of the mythos. Not hey I was given a creative chip so I gotta make the beast and slaughter you guys and come up with something "better", which is self evidently not better at all because Ripley makes it toast.

In the real world the script was written without the Crossing, the Engineers were toast and Shaw was the first to be hugged. Bits have been added (The Crossing and the novelisation) but lets not kid ourselves, there was no plan for David, other than he is as mad as a box of frogs and that explains anything he says or does.

This beautifully written debrief in the book reminds me of how much richer the David/Shaw narrative would have been rather than essentially Walter taking Davids place and Daniels taking Shaw's, except that its really David and Daniels is toast. 

Oh crap. Sorry. Wrong franchise/universe......or is it?!

Back in the Mess Hall - after the smoke has cleared there are 2 guards still standing. They point their weapons ineffectively. Johner has a gun to Wren's head and a gun on the guards, who are also covered by Hillard. 

ELGYN - Nice and easy boys 

Those are beautiful...thanks Ati another great find!

WOW....I love that! Thanks Ati ;)

There are indeed many hidden features...I'm off to study it in more detail!

I've been on a quest to find out who designed the beautiful renaissance style poster? I wondered if it was Gutalin, but probably not.

Is this a signature?

It's beautiful but too perfect, almost like an albino xenomorph. The one in the film was the better choice, more of a Lovecraft feeling, devilish, some raw material for David to craft his perfect organism.

Thanks again for the treat, Ati.

I think I like that better than the 'final' version.

any star wars film after 4 5 6, alien covenant, the last matrix

Really?? That;s crazy! I also thought that Ellen was found in 2178! Honestly, I doubt that timeline, but with the way the canon changes and evolves, it doesn't seem TOO out there... I found this timeline with a quick search: Alien Anthology on Wikia. In the description, the person who wrote it confirmed that Sir Ridley... confirmed that Bladerunner and Alien are in the same universe. I am not sure that this is actually a fact!

I like the last one- can't see the eyes.

cuponator3000 - Both Prometheus: 2023 and Isolation: 2138 sound good I think.

I don't like the title Alien - Awakening, so I wouldn't dislike the title Alien 2120 for the closing prequel. (Alien takes place in 2122.)

Something strange:

I thought that the whole Aliens movie took place in 2179, but I've just found an Alien timeline where it is stated that Ripley is found in 2179, taken to Gateway station in 2181, and the Hadley Hope part is in 2183, plus Alien3 is in 2184. LOL 

(Gediman observes three from the Betty crew after all hell breaks loose) Oh, man... You three! Go! Sector two.

joylitt  Spirituality is a detachment, which becomes a trouble if symbolism is also a detachment. Separating the two though means either having to expose spirituality as destructive or as self-deceptive. Therefore, it feels right that Alien Covenant is a means for spirituality to be real yet not insincere as the result of proving that symbolism doesn't exist and that it's okay to support its false reality

Alf is the Space Jockey. As the last Engineer left, he'll duke it out with David's perfected beast for all of mankind, then he'll sound the warning beacon.

I Moon Girl Nice. I think it would also be fitting for the Engineers to lead David on and then betray him- much like David did to everyone else.

The nice thing about this series is the symbolism can be seen if one seeks it but is also enjoyable if one just wants a good sci fi movie.

(I LOVE the line with the guard saying, "Drop that piece of $H!T!")

(It's on!)

Elgyn replies to that with his typical laid back attitude, "I do.  Christie?"

I got another idea that could have the ending still end with some of the space jockey in the original Alien being there for a long time.

So, the Engineers catch David and want to teach him something.  They want to teach him the truth about why the black goo exists and the origins of the Xeno.  They also want to show him the process of using the goo and the Xeno.  The Engineers, well a select few, want to do this because David has got the whole motives behind the black goo and the Xeno all wrong.  David would be very scared in this scene because he knows the Engineers will kill him when they are done with their little lesson.  I could see the Engineers doing something like this.  I can see them being capable of having compassion towards David, even though they know that he must be killed.  David learns his lesson in this discussion as well before he gets killed.

In this discussion, the audience could really learn a lot about the Engineers and maybe even the discussion could leave out a few details so that the mystery of the space jockey in the original Alien can still have a similar affect and feel on the audience while also bringing us more knowledge on who the space jockey is, or was actually.  I think we are going to learn about who the space jockey was because that was the whole motive of Ridley’s prequels.  Well, that was his original intention after the 1979 Alien came out, but, as we can see, Fox didn’t take Ridley’s ideas until just over the past few years.

Where does that assertion come from anyway? "symbolism isn't spiitual". I guess you mean that the symbolism in "Alien Covenant" is not spiritual. Well, I guess in that case you are correct, the film's symbolism does not intend to convey a spiritual truth as such, even though Scott has tip toed around the theme of "faith". It just uses religious symbolism to evoke an alternate version of the human genesis, its search of answers and ultimate fate. In any case, the biblical references channeled through "Paradise Lost" have a premonitory value, which is suggested by the story's recasting of several characters from the Bible as synthetics, futuristic tycoons, hapless science officers, etc. There is a deliberate intention to be "blasphemous", and rightfully so. Some of the best sci-fi is like that. I would recommend an anthology called "Dangerous Visions" where you get plenty of this type of edgy sci-fi.

The second and third are OUTSTANDING! Very talented artist. Agree with dk, as the first one is a bit of a "no-neck-Daniels", but still cool. 

First off, I LOVED the short! I enjoyed the first two by Luke Scott (I think Nexus Dawn was my favorite becuase of Leto's performance), but this short by Mr. Watanabe was AWESOME! 

A year in the title of an Alien film hmmm...

Well, if there was ever an Engineer film, maybe have it like "A L I E N: 2000," just some number such as that. Cover the story of how the Lv_223 outbreak actually went. Or I could imagine a politcal/corporate thriller with Guy pearce returning as Weyland! Maybe, A L I E N: 2023? Or Prometheus: 2023 (I like that better!)

I am very very slooooowly working on a story sequel to, "Alien: Isolation," and I think a title for that story could be "Isolation: 2138" or something! 2038 because it is the year following the game's events (I think). Not sure I would do it, but I have to thank you as I really like the idea of having the title be, "Isolation: (insert subname here)"

It just comes down to choosing a story/setting that needs the year in it. Whatever makes sense for the story, you know?

It does indeed look like an emergency ship.

This just came to my mind, in 1979 alien in the space jockey scene when Lambert said: "I wonder what happened to the rest of the crew" I thought maybe the rest of the engineers onboard entered these lifeboats and escaped but the Pilot stayed.

Who knows.

 Wren- (Oblivious to the quiet and calm Christie) I don't give a shit if you're in on this or not. You brought a subversive onto a military vessel and as far as I am concerned, you can fry with her. You hear me?

dk

Dig the Lethal Weapon quote XD

Shaw indeed helped David which made him fall for her harder. He wiped out the Engineers for her so they could begin a new Eden but she refused. David doesn't like things he loves leaving him so he incubated her. If Shaw had reciprocated his feelings I think he would have been a tab bit friendlier android but it's theoretical at this point.

I guess I have to quote Mr Joshua from Lethal Weapon regarding David-  "I wish I could believe you. But unfortunately, I don't... "

Gavin What do you mean?

Shaw helped out David and that didn't get her very far. It got David really far though. I still am fascinated by his character though- keeps one always guessing.

If Shaw had reciprocated David's feelings, I believe things would have turned out differently.

"[David] is looking for love but in all the wrong places." - Fassbender

dk - Ok, but in this particular situation/conversation he has nothing to lose, everyone thinks that he is Walter, that's why I think that he is honest in these lines.

Ati I haven't read the novel but David has never been trustworthy for anything except to ruin/end lives. He is a proven liar. It might be interesting if he honestly tries to help out at some point but no one believes him because of his history. That would be a strange twist.