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Did you notice that the Engineer or humanoid statues in that concept art had hair, I found that interesting, also in some of the close ups in both Covenant and Prometheus, you can see the Engineers' eyelashes, how come they have eyelashes but no hair
Well i know that ADF purposely put things in the A:C novel that are a nod to the original Alien novel.
So with this in mind it would make perfect sense that this theme goes deeper into the franchise and there could be subtle hints going forward into the last prequel and beyond.
Since RS seems very AI focused it may also make sense that the AI before his death manages to transfer himself to stay in his warped game.
Also it could tie into WY and their knowledge. Assuming David is Ash (or MU TH UR even) then that gives them their drive for more knowledge. He may even after Ash, in a sequel ended up as MU TH UR or on WY either as himself or under cover.
So there is loads they could explore if Ash turns out to be David. Very plausible i think
I am really beginning to think that they have left too much open going into the last film.
Questions considered answered in Prometheus have been put back to a question post A:C. It just leaves an awful lot of potential banana skins from this current situation.
SJ was answered enough after Prometheus. Not now.
If the Xeno is Davids and the 1979 Xeno in Alien is from his stock, why after speeding up the growth rate in A:C do the Xeno in Alien have a slower (normal) growth rate
There are many more but that is enough to make a point with
1. You predict what the writers will do based on what they have done already.
2. You predict through logic and reason, where the story should lead.
3. You predict using your personal desire of where you wish the story to go.
I think these 3 different modes of speculating about where Covenant will go, cover the modes of how people are approaching it.
Obviously #1 is all that matters. The story belongs to the writers and they are going to go at it their way.
Mode #2 is the way that I have tried to go about understanding the franchise because I really value objective thinking.
Mode #3 is mainly for your own imaginings so you can just play a movie in your own head however you want it to be.
Anyway, in my personal opinion, they have stretched the plausibility for science enough. To bend biology more by insinuating that these humanoid DNA beings can't procreate or that they are all one sex who procreate asexually. I'm just face palming not out of malice but because that would be a unnecessary and ridiculous path for the franchise to take. Maybe they already did it, who knows. Its their story so whatever.
Given that during the flashback scene we see what appears to be female Engineers, if they are Engineers at all and not another humanoid race the Engineers have seeded, female necessity is rampant throughout the series... Without something laying the eggs in the first place, there would be no eggs. Plenty of dead female aliens lying around, and should they fail, David likely used Shaw's reproductive system to further his egg making...
I do however like your layout of how people look at a piece of entertainment, and I think you're right in that such views shape how we perceive something.
Noomi was very anxious to reprise her role and had many interesting ideas as to how to progress her character. She was written out when John Logan took over the script writing. In the Green and Paglan scripts she was in. She was available.
I don't get the hate either. I honestly don't know what people were expecting. I liked it, and the characters, and I was glad that Tennessee survived along with Daniels and potentially Walter...
I don't get the hate either. I honestly don't know what people were expecting. I liked it, and the characters, and I was glad that Tennessee survived along with Daniels and potentially Walter...
In the UK in 2015 the audience age group of 15 -34 made up 48% of the cinema audience. However the population in the United States is 6 times greater. In Asean many countries populations are largely skewed to the young having put on a terrific spurt since the end of the wars and hostility in Indo China. In Vietnam 60% of the population has been born after 1979. So there are huge new territories for the studios to pursue.
If you are going to spend 160 million dollars the budget for Covenant (Ridley did it in a ton) you have to point the movie at the biggest segment of your audience. However if you look at these figures
Skyfall Sony 103.202
The Dark Knight Rises Warner Bros 56.303
Marvel's Avengers AssembleWalt Disney51.904
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Warner Bros 40.805
The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2 EOne Films 35.506
Ted Universal 30.307
Ice Age: Continental Drift 20th Century Fox 30.108
The Amazing Spider-Man Sony 25.909
Prometheus 20th Century Fox 24.7010
The Hunger Games Lionsgate 23.80
It would suggest that Ridley was wrong to react to the internet chatter because Prometheus amongst that film audience including nearly half at 15 to 34 made it the 9th biggest gross.
I agree with the view that a largely US centric audience is wedded to the marines narrative of A L I E N S and they are the most keen on a re run with Blomkamp. These are the people who constantly quote lines of dialogue from that movie ...endlessly, and effectively want it made again.
I know what I think, you guys know what you think so why didn't more people go to the movie ? I actually think giving it the Alien Prefix narrowed the audience potential. I am convinced the Alien franchise after 38 years is niche and Prometheus was an attempt to break out.
You say you do not understand why some did not like Covenant. Thats not the problem its that people did not go to see it in sufficient numbers.
As I keep on saying I found it an entertaining routine film which followed a hackneyed formula and the 2nd act was muddled (Shaw) and offered unsatisfactory/no answers set up by Prometheus. Could you confirm whether you understand that point.
The answers we were looking for were :-
1) What was LV223 and its relation to Paradise.
2) Where do the Engineers fit in to the hierarchy and what is the significance of the tear drop ship and the acolyte.
3) Most importantly why did they want to kill us if they created us. That was the huge set up of Prometheus.
4) What do the artefacts in the headroom mean .
5) How was the Alien Pathogen created and how does it link in with the life giving catalyser that the acolyte ingested.
6) Why did the Engineers suffer a fall and begin their own sub creation.
7) Who is the Engineer in the headroom.
Once we arrive at Paradise.
1) What is the relationship between the inhabitants of Paradise who appear different to the Engineers of LV223 why ?
2) What is the significance of the Plaza, the docking vehicle and why were they open to David 's juggernaut what were they expecting.
3) What did David "find out" on his journey to Paradise.
4) What happened and when did he wake Elizabeth.
5) What is the significance of the holo message and what were the circumstances of its recording.
6) How much of what David offered Walter as explanation was the unreliable narrator. ADF indicates that Walter deduced the ship did not crash it presumably crashed when Elizabeth tried to get away.
Put simply instead of answers we have none and many more questions except David is mad as a hatter and has created (Ridley) the particular variant of the alien pathogen outcome known as the Xenomorph or ADF he found an egg lying around.
Those are the reasons why Covenant is considered a disappointment and have been repeated endlessly on this forum others get gnarled up over gestation periods, hair growth, CGI, lack of safety protocols but the central problem is the STORY.
And I don't understand how it did not disregard Prometheus both the engineers and Shaw were killed off
Why would it disregard an entire movie that set up the reason for David and Shaw to be on Planet 4 in the first place? If Noomi had been able to return, they would obviously have had to include her in the film in some fashion.
@hox
I had to stop listening to this youtube rant after a few minutes, because the guy is just so full of it. The reasons I love Prometheus and Alien Covenant are exactly the reasons that he lists as a problem at the start of his diatribe:
1. RS is not conservative. He has thrown in bold ideas, with immense subtleties. Not the best thing for the popcorn brigade, but definitely right up my street.
2. These movies have their own strengths and do not need to repeat ad nauseam the old Alien tropes.
3. They can appeal to anyone who enjoys thinking, not just those who want to see something slinking around in the shadows.
If I had my way, I'd love to see an Engineer movie that didn't feature a single face-hugger or bit of goo. As well as, of course, more Aliens. The genre has been expanded to encompass far more than cheap scares.
I absolutely agree. Action and gore gets boring. There's no story to it. The first Alien wasn't about gore, and it certainly wasn't action-packed like Aliens was. That's what made it so successful.
Posted mine! I wrote far more than I had intended to!
Id prefer if they finish off the franchise with a sequel to Covenant and then just leave the IP alone.
I have a feeling that the Alien franchise will become stale much like Terminator or Jaws. If the IP is left alone all of the films that are bad or mediocre (Alien 3,Alien: Resurrection, A:C) will be forgotten and the interesting and good films will become timeless classics (Alien,Alien 2,Prometheus)
You can read in my review on this site what i did not like in it. And I don't understand how it did not disregard Prometheus both the engineers and Shaw were killed off (here faith was only the true moving thing in here, in rest I could not care about any of the new characters). Or Ridley Scott's 2012 idea for a Prometheus sequel was this all along? I also hated in Covenant that parts felt like watching a Reboot with reused music and lines. Being the most nihilistic movie in series did not help either, after the more hopeful ending of Prometheus.
Sorry to bring this slightly old thread up but the woman in the second concept photo of the temple door made me think of the Virgin Mary.
I had to stop listening to this youtube rant after a few minutes, because the guy is just so full of it. The reasons I love Prometheus and Alien Covenant are exactly the reasons that he lists as a problem at the start of his diatribe:
1. RS is not conservative. He has thrown in bold ideas, with immense subtleties. Not the best thing for the popcorn brigade, but definitely right up my street.
2. These movies have their own strengths and do not need to repeat ad nauseam the old Alien tropes.
3. They can appeal to anyone who enjoys thinking, not just those who want to see something slinking around in the shadows.
If I had my way, I'd love to see an Engineer movie that didn't feature a single face-hugger or bit of goo. As well as, of course, more Aliens. The genre has been expanded to encompass far more than cheap scares.
Here's the thing that gets me,
Fox is well aware of Scified and other similar platforms, and no doubt are aware of how long we and others (eg AvP Galaxy) have been doing exactly what they are looking for, for years and without pay.
Being aware as they are they will likely have a checklist of individuals that meet their criteria (any of the admin here for example), which begs the question as to why they are not reaching out to said individuals, rather than posting what Batchpool has linked.
Anyone who has been on a forum such as this for more than five minutes will be flooding them with applications. Which ultimately means they'll have to choose from thousand's of hopefuls that don't quite meet their criteria, rather than take their pick from around half a dozen that quite frankly are over qualified for that position.
My 2 cents.
The inherent problem with trying to pitch this franchise to one particular demographic, is it limits what you can do with it. If anything, Alien crosses generations.
Speaking purely from family experience, I wasn't quite old enough to see any Alien film in the cinema until Alien 4, but my mum and uncle both saw the original in the cinema. I then took her to see AC a few months ago, and she loved it. All of us love Prometheus too...
I don't think the like or dislike has anything to do with age, but more to do with expectations depending on which Alien film you liked the most. I have noticed that many who complained about Prometheus, were die-hard Aliens/Cameron/action movie-goers. Prometheus was never going to be like that.
RS caved to fanboy pressure and tried to take a middle ground with AC in order to try to please as many people as possible. It had some exposition like Prometheus, and for those of us that loved Prometheus, it didn't totally disregard it, like many of us had feared he would.
It also had some Xeno action, plenty in fact, for all those who complained about the lack of them in Prometheus.
I honestly don't get why some people didn't like AC. I'm clearly missing something.
Of course your needs do not match with 18-25 year olds. But here is the problem, they don't seem to like old school sci-fi. Have you read recent imdb reviews of 2001? Why would Ridley Scott or Fox make them the prime audience? they seem to like more furry Raccoons in space(I prefer him to AC). Why make viral publicity campaigns? Why kill off main characters from the previous movie without an inch of dignity? Why not hire people who like Sci-fi and have knowledge of prior events or the spirit of the series to write the story/script (Remaking Shane into Logan is not originality)? Why not take input from forums especially of those ask questions about stuff in your universe (they probably care the most and that is whom you'll most likely pay their $ for your movie)? And please no more Ripley, not her mother nor her daughter or other warrant officer 3rd grade. And If I would watch the next I (which the things are now I highly doubt) I would like some sense of wonder back from Prometheus. 10x.
Billion dollar question!
Xeno's and facehuggers: are for the most part, stationary...You have to continually bring your victims to their doorstep! Only so many ways to get the teenagers to enter the haunted house.
"See that pod?! Go stick your face in it".
"Why?!"
"Cause we don't have a movie unless you do."
David and AI: Extremely dangerous. Will visit your planet and kill you. No remorse. Horrific and immortal. Spreading disease everywhere. 937.
Engineers: Unknown. Good evil? ?
Humans: Unknown. Good Evil? ?
I have more questions about Engineers and humans...So that's probably the direction I'd take.
In the novel he used David 31822-B
In the movie he used David 73694 - B
too far fetched but I believe that David's programming will change in order to be attached to another movie character from the 'Zulu' movie of 1964 (Michael Cane resembles him too like Peter O'Toole), if you substitute 73 in ASCII with I , the other numbers are not in the correct order to make the year the movie was released but they are there,
73694 - B (probably stands for brother)
David I694 Brother
David I964 Brother -- > or David I Zulu Brother or
David 1(I)964 Brother
David Zulu Brother
--- end of transmission ---
So yes FOX have a very hard job ahead.
Thats really the key Dave.
As I said several days ago this idea that Covenant has put the prequel trilogy in jeopardy has now got internet traction, nearly half those polled on AVPGalaxy, which is a very influential site judging by the interviews they secure, would prefer an A5 movie.
In the end it comes down to the box office and A:C has ended up being smaller than Prometheus. One can argue from ones own needs why, until the cows come home, but the fact is Prometheus wasn't bullet proof but where it might go was really intriguing. Covenant on the other hand has placed so much responsibility on David they have left themselves in a narrow narrative corridor. That increases the sense of risk for Fox and why these rumours are floating around.
I do not have a view, I simply respond to whats on offer because my own personal needs are not indicative of either many here on other sites or in the NA 16 -25 age group.
What I can say is when Ridley returned to the story in 2012 he was in his mid seventies and bucket listing for my generation and its just a shame he left himself vulnerable to a straight sequel to Prom being undermined. However Sigourney could have helped by not trying to grab a second resurrection.
Ok i have watched past the 5 Min mark.... and i agree with the video after that, which is basically what my last post was about.
That indeed we need to wrap up the Prequel First... and then doing something new....
But i think they get a bit confused after that, well they confused me, because on one hand they mention they need to do something different which Prequels started... but then they said these did not work because they was tied to Alien?
Then they said a new movie would have to go back to the original formula?
so what do they mean by this.... XENOMORPH? this would contradict their point they was making.... oh what about something New Based in the Universe... this is what Prometheus was doing and especially with the Engineers and how they are connected to the Space Jockey, while tone down the Xeno links....
This attempted to open up the Universe to more than just the ALIEN and Ripley...
Sadly when people think of ALIEN they think about the Xenomorph, and the ALIEN Prefix would just allude them to think they are seeing a movie connected to the ALIEN Monster and so if AC had no Xenomorphs, but was still ALIEN: COVENANT i think a number of people would not see the ALIEN connection as far as the Xenomorph in the Neomorphs and would want something more Xenomorph.
So here lies the Problem...
You cant have a ALIEN Movie without not going to far away to the Original Alien, my 2-3 Alien movie ideas offer something fresh but you can still see the connection to the Franchise.
And so you will get some Fans who would complain about a ALIEN: Prefix movie that offers something that does not look to close to the Xenomorph.
But then if they do a movie in the Franchise that does not revolve around the Xenomorph, and use ALIEN in the Title again this would confuse and upset some, and if they do-not use ALIEN in the Title, like Prometheus did.. then it would again not make so much a connection to Alien.. and the ALIEN name and Xenomorph is the Marketing Tool they use to Sell the Franchise and they overdid this with Alien Covenant.
If Alien Covenant was simply a Stand Alone movie called. COVENANT where its marketed as COVENANT and it contained No David, No Prometheus.
But just a Crashed Engineer Ship that its contents had infected the landscape of a once Paradise and Ideal World to start a Colony on... and so the Spores are a result and then we have a Movie about a Weyland-Yutani Colony mission who discover a ideal World, but when they get there... indeed the Planet has Water, Plants etc.. but unknown to surveys this World had been hit by a crashed Engineer ship and its Cargo had killed off all the Life and left behind those Spores.
This kind of Stand alone idea may have offered a new perspective indeed, and some loose Alien movie connections (The Company, Engineer Ship and Black Goo infection).
But then how do FOX Market this... as a stand alone movie by RS and play down Alien Links, where the lack of Brand Marketing could affect potential $$$ Income... or brand it as within the Universe of the Franchise like they did with Prometheus but then you get some fans complain because it was not a ALIEN movie
So yes FOX have a very hard job ahead.
Oh will add.... The author added that each of the Original movies after Alien added something different to the Franchise, as if they are saying each was adding something new and not like RS monopoly attempt where his movies are just following the previous ones.....
Again totally disagree... the Original Franchise was more a continuation story that revolved around Ripley... hell even after She died in Alien 3, they had not original idea so they just Resurrected her in the 4th.
They started this Prequel Series... they now have to Finish it, i think its a INJUSTICE to just ignore the Prequels and go and bring back something else. So if they Scrap the Prequels and then go and make another Alien movie.... by not Rebooting as the Author of that Video had said... then we could get a interesting idea on doing a Alien movie that is not really connected to the others as far as carrying on a Characters Path (Ripley for the Originals) and David for the Prequels.
But the Problem is giving something NEW (i have 3 ideas i had shared a while ago) runs the risk of what happens if you go for something Fresh? Like the Neomorphs..? When some of the Fanbase may just want Xenomorphs, and Queens. FOX have their work cut out for them to Produce a Movie that will Please all the Fans who all have their own likes/dislikes and never mind try and introduce a new Audience. I dont think movies need to bring back Ripley... and i hope we dont have to resort to this.
But i think and to a degree agree with the Video, they would have to keep it to the Xenomorph and so Eggs, Face Huggers etc but then not detract too far, because while something Fresh is Nice.... their is the risk the Fanbase will not be attracted to many changes. Alien Covenant the Xenomorph looked a bit different, it was close but not close enough, the Chest Buster Changed in its Style too.. and i think if we try and make a NEW Alien movie that is not connected to the others and is set after the others... then if they give us the Aliens that are less connected to the Original TWO movies than even the AC Xeno was... it may not work... so then its case of having to make the Xenomorph more like the Original than the AC one.
But then we get to the part where we have seen it all before, and it would take a exceptional Plot and Script and then Budget and Work to pull this off, and make a good return... there is the risk it does nothing New and actually just COOKS the Beast More... or try something New and have it not go down to well.
The Panic Button would be the Cash Cow, and a Alien 5 where they give us Queens and Ripley and who cares if the Plot is not good, as long as the Ripley, Queen, Xenomorphs are in it then it may make some $$$$$ from the Fanboys but then ultimately Cook the Franchise like a Friday the 13th.
They OWE it to the Fans of Alien a Answer, they cant tease and dangle a carrot then change it a bit and then totally ignore the Prequels... and then wait 5-10 years and give us a New Alien movie thats not connected to the others... some Alien Fans would have been waiting 40 years for a answer, some may have wanted it a Mystery but while they have started to Answer those Questions it would be a INJUSTICE to just ignore them.
They need to Give us that Prequel that does enough to at least make the Answer to the Mystery of Alien something thats not very ambiguous at all.
And then FOX can move on to doing something New and Different.
Man í keep coming back. Why does not Walter sleep like ash or bishop? Wouldn't it expand the time between maintenance? David clearly learned Shaw, Peter O'Toole and ancient Babylonian. Was he maintaining anything?
Totally disagree.....
I will give my TWO Cents why later
But nope going a Ripley + Queens etc is not the way to Go, but i think its the way they may go....
But almost every point the Video made, they have not paid much attention.. they claim Small Budgets, but forget that we have to take into account Inflation etc... and by this standard AC was not really a Large Budget Movie.
They also say FOX dont take risks.... yet going the route of Prometheus to explore the Space Jockey Race, in the way they did so was a BIG RISK and also with AC, by hinting David Creates the Xenomorph again is a BIG RISK
The author seems to say we need to get back to the Core of the Original Movies which is when you look at it.. Eggs, Face Huggers, Xenomorph and Ripley.. oh and Queens and they tried this with Alien Covenant as far as Xenomorph and yet the movie did not do as well as Prometheus... so whats next?
Add Ripley and a Queen?
They also said they should explore more about the Mythology of the Xenomorph, adding that each new movie in the Original 4 added something NEW..... Well the Prequels are attempting to add to the Mythology of the Xenomorph and adding something very New.
I have a good idea what went WRONG with Alien Covenant, and how maybe they would now have to GO to get it back on Track and i will post this Latter.
@red0guy@gmail.com
Yeah i totally get you, a Meteor Strike does have the ability to be far more devastating than a large number of Nukes. But such things are Nature and in Nature there are events that wipe the slate clean with some species.. which include Volcanic Activity and then you have the Natural order of the Food chain as well as Natural Climate Change.. which will effect some species survival... i do think Mankind has contributed to such declines though. But if Mankind never existed then over Millions of years Species will come and go, its all part of Nature.
I just think with David and a lot of AI movies have touched upon this, is that once AI becomes Sentient it will eventually see the Good and Bad of Mankind, and its effects on the World, and potentially at some point would consider that culling of Mankind is required for the greater good, once AI has came to see itself as Superior to Mankind, and then not needing Mankind.
@Seph7
Indeed Walter is a new Model, and the Company would indeed want to make sure they have the Optimum Model running a Ship.
David is different... Weyland created the androids for a few reasons and with the Prototype, Weyland adopted him as his own Personnel Assistant and Son of sorts... and indeed had allowed a lot more Free-will to his own Personnel David model than other Androids were allowed... Weylands David is in effect Lucifer if the other Davids are in effect like the Angels of sorts... That allowing his (GOD/Weyland) own Personnel Favored Creation (Lucifer/David) have more free-will had proved to be a great Hubris.
@K-Theory
The Female Aspect is very important and i wonder if its one of the Big Driving Forces at play, you see from the inception of the Engineers from Jon Spaights he had it that this was a very very Ancient Race, who at one time could Procreate but over time they lost this ability (or had it taken away) and so the Sacrificial Route was the way they then had to go about to spread their Genetic Seed/Procreate.
Evolving from this, the Full (unseen) Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus was one of great importance to the Engineers/Elders, there was dialog between the One Elder and the Sacrificial Engineer, but we have never been shown this... there was on the Blu-ray a transcript and even brief scene of the Elder talking to the Sacrificial Engineer.
Here is the Transcript "Let your body become the dirt. Your blood become the waters. And may your soul be their way back to us"
So the Sacrifice was very important to this race, but WHY... i had often wondered if Females was the reason, because they had lost the ability to need Females? If we evolve ourselves so 99% of all illness and diseases we are immune to and our organs etc do not age as fast so our rate of aging is slowed down say by 1000% or even more then eventually we could maybe evolve past the need to Procreate and so this ability would be gone... or maybe even what if Females was taken from us? or wiped out?
This i felt explains the Engineers interest in Dr Shaw in the extended scenes that is, and also it fits with Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them" if these Engineers were Fallen Angels.
So i made a Topic a while back... with my theory HERE
Funny enough that after AC a about 6-8 weeks ago when Concept work was being released, i came across these
Two different Concept Artist who worked on AC, yet the same Building that is of great importance and both with Females on the Doors to the Building.
So for a Race who had Engineered themselves past needing Procreation but are not Immortal and while they Age slower they indeed Age and will eventually Die... or a Race who had lost Females for some other reason... Or for maybe another Reason wanted to gain Females.
Then maybe indeed the Seeding/Sacrificial Scene was their attempt to eventually lead to gaining Females again? Who knows but i am sure FEMALES played a big part in the Agenda of those Engineers... its just a case of HOW? and WHY?
It's a cool set visit. I posted a bunch of screen grabs from it earlier this week in the Shedding Some Light on David Lab thread -
"If their society is AT LEAST tens of thousands of years old, they should have smart buildings, climate changing technology, very advanced energy technology"
I know it sounds kind of odd, as they do appear to be at a level like we was about 2000 years ago, there does seem to be some more evolved buildings but it is like this entire Civilization apart from a few areas, have decided to not embrace Technology as far as say Humans have.
They seem to be like some Cultures on Earth like the Amish Community where they choose to be this way and a high emphasis is on Religon
There however does appear to be Technology, there appears to be littered around the City, like Gold/Relective Mirrors or such and also in the Cathedral there was lighting, so did David bring this Lighting from LV-223, did he re-invent electricity and the light bulb from scratch? Or its more likely the City did have and use some kinds of Electricity for certain things (Lighting) and those structures are a kind of Solar Panel.
The Cathederal also seemed to be a place of importance at at the Top of the Building are those like Gold Devices/Objects they certainly look like some kind of Technology. They could be some kind of Energy Device/Solar or some kind of Communications or even some kind of Weather Manipulation Technology. But it certainly looks like Technology to me.
Then we have the Hanger....
When i refer back to information a source i had from Feb 2015, then what they said does add up to what we see in Alien Covenant.
So we can maybe have to look at this City the same as if we look at Ancient Egypt and add the Ancient Astronaught/Space Gods theory to it... so yes a bit Star Gate for you... where we have some theories that Ancient Egypt had some kinds of Technology in some buildings that were indeed dedicated to the GODS, and the Pharaohs are like Demi-Gods or indeed the Chosen of the Gods, and in these Ancient Alien theories, the Pyramids play a Large Role and also was Technology and we was visited by Alien Creator Gods, who chose or even created Hybrid Humans to watch over and lead us (Kings and Pharaohs) only they were Permitted Technology, and their Dwellings.. while the rest of the Kingdom remained with Ancient Technology
This is maybe what we are seeing in AC, and so some other Race or Hiearchy above these beings come from some other Place, and this Planet we see in AC is a Outpost where these Higher Beings/Hierarchy would set up a Civilization where they watch over and monitor these beings and some places will have the use of Technology and only a selected portion are permitted to use this Technology.
We could then further suspect that the LV-223 Engineers had abused/stolen the use of some of this Technology against the intentions and wishes of their Hierarchy.
Came upon this last week, a very interesting insight to the production, it is a shame it will be taken down but then i dont think they would 100% re-use this set.
No doubt a lot of the stuff would be split around the Production Staff and at some point i suspect some of the items will be available to by from Prop Stores and Auctions. And i bet this collection would include some very sought after Props and Art.
I need to read all of the rest, but this bit @BigDave makes me wonder - As far as Davids 80 years old Age, i never came across that interview but i deducted he was about 79 (Mentally/AI)
In promo material, Walter is given the version number 79... So, commercially, Walter is shiny and new. The Covenant version I suspect, is only a year or two old. They don't exactly need to have a lifetime of experience in order to function adequately, not to mention WY would want him as functional as possible if he's going to be operating a ship alone for Seven years...
I think it's important to avoid letting the Xeno be too well-known on Earth. If WY truly were aware of their existence before Nostromo happened upon the Juggernaut on LV-426, I doubt it was information that was widely available, so it wouldn't make sense to have any of Ripley's ancestors be aware of them at all. In order to keep in flow with Canon, Ripley really needs to be the only KNOWN survivor.
You could bring back S. Weaver back as Ripley's mother to have her killed of, or even better face-hugged and something burst for a change. That surely would increase sales. Or have her be decapitated how Scott wanted initially to end Alien.
Thank you for your response. I am looking forward to the official release of the Blu Ray of Covenant. I found Prometheus absolutely fascinating and the conjecture that emerged really engaging.
I was thrilled to receive the Crossing setting up Shaw's wake up and what David found out during his journey.
As someone who loves movies "The Girl On the Train" and "Manchester By The Sea" are recent favourites as well as "Carol", "The Blue Jasmin" and I thought the Star Wars V11 was very entertaining for me Covenant to was entertaining and despite the first act and particularly the third act were extremely routine and troped I am quite certain any of the tent poles from this summer were much less interesting so its important to give perspective. I have never watched a marvel hero film, predator or transformer film in my life so if that is the point of reference then I can imagine Covenant is a good effort with much thought and thematic development but looked at from the view of Prometheus it is a filler to what ever comes next having not answered any of the central questions of Prometheus though the Black Goo finally has an official name the ALIEN PATHOGEN.
It is important to remember that Wayne Haag the artist responsible for much of the iconic Engineer texture did say they have set aside the "Bull Shit" of Prometheus and that David is the straight line into the narrative. I am not sure I can take hope from that statement that the questions of Prometheus will be answered or that the Engineers will be any more than texture and reaction to Davids narrative and its end.
I think possibly now its time to wait and see and in the meantime enjoy the Covenant Blu Ray and ADF's prequel novel.
In fairness to Marvel and DC, I actually love Marvel, both X-Men and Avengers films. I also thought Wonder Woman was by far the best DC film so far. The Batman VS Superman film was meh... I liked Man of Steel, but it lacked the feel of the older films. The Superman Returns film in 2006 was far better, and Kevin Spacey as Lex Luther was outstanding!
Back to the topic, there will always be those who cling too tightly to the originals that nothing can ever come close. What they fail to understand is that nothing will ever be as it was in Alien/Aliens, because those movies have had their time and impact on first viewing. Alien was a ground-breaker, and I think people are expecting the same ground-breaking films with Prometheus and Covenant. It won't happen. The concept already exists, therefore, it will never have the same shock impact as the original. For me, it's about enjoying them for exactly what they are, and seeing the story, rather than focusing on the idea that there's either too much or not enough of this or that...
maybe one of the Elders?
Prometheus and Covenant were brilliant films too by the way, half the trolls on here probably watched Wonder Woman and Avengers 10 times, appalling films!
There is nothing wrong with the franchise, we're still waiting for Awakening which is obviously going to explain more! I can't understand why half the members are just here to slate the franchise, why are ye following it so if it's so terrible! It's actually sad
