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though an update, I already have people tweeting me having ONLY read the title and they believe fox plans to reboot the franchise entirely. so yes, misleading. 

I know, I read your editorial. 
we agree to disagree on what is misleading it seems. 

@MrHreviews, Not misleading at all. "Fox REPORTEDLY looking to reboot franchise with a NEW timeline", I even copied the quote verbatim. The timeline would be set well after the events of the original Alien series, is what was said - ignoring David "and all that stuff". So, yeah it would be a soft reboot, establishing NEW characters and NEW predicaments. Nothing here implies the existing timeline would be wiped, I explain so in the article.

Yes, that is definitely the main event! They don't answer my emails anymore. Just need to keep on it and build an email trail.

I still get upset thinking about 'Alien: Covenant'.  In particular, the very poor, 3 minute attempt to connect to 'Prometheus' and the (basically) lack of Engineers.

That being said, I do want the story to be finished so I hope we get a movie between 'A:C' and the original 'Alien'.

they aren't a scam, I've had some dealings with them, they sent me a box to "unbox" on my channel, the products inside the alien box are of a super high quality. however, I won't be having any further dealings with the company, due to some bits and pieces of information and actions etc. 
I hope you get your box though, it really is worth it just for the facehugger alone. 

quite the misleading title there, there are no plans to reboot the franchise with a new timeline, that implies fox had plans to wipe the original movies from continuity. 

the plans were, continue the timeline, as is, but with a different story, with different people, further down the line, or, concurrently with what had already been established in the movies to date. 

quite the misleading title there, there are no plans to reboot the franchise with a new timeline, that implies fox had plans to wipe the original movies from continuity. 

the plans were, continue the timeline, as is, but with a different story, with different people, further down the line, or, concurrently with what had already been established in the movies to date. 

Very Freudian.

Cool photo. I never noticed the head statues in the other pix.

Amazing images.

Fox also shared this image on Alien FB page.

I will add my full TWO Cents after as i will be a bit busy...

But i dont think Ripley Ruined the Franchise, i think her Character did make the Franchise, but after so long it would have eventually just sucked, there is only so much they could do with Ripley and i felt Alien 3 gave her the kind of Ending that just worked so well...

Miss Weaver did want to be killed off in Alien 3 too, it seemed she had enough of playing that Character and felt that her dying would be the right way to go....   its how Miss Weaver had changed since Alien Resurrection that i dont agree with, she seems to me to be someone who feels that without her Character the Franchise would not be what it is, and in some interviews comes across a bit arrogant... seems she wants to have her Finger in all the Alien Pies.

Indeed the Alien Franchise is Large, and these Movies and especially the First 3 are what a lot of people remember Miss Weaver from... these Movies Made Miss Weaver a Star and for her getting back to these movies will put her back in the Public Eye and Make some Money too.

I dont think she needs Alien though, as i am sure Camerons Plans for Avatar will see Miss Weaver grab some good Screen Time and put her back in the Movie News Sections again.

I think the way the Franchise moved was good, i am not 100% sure about Alien Resurrection though, for me the Character was Tarnished.

I also think while Ripley did not Ruin the Franchise, i cant see how introducing her into the Franchise again would do any Favors, maybe it may make a bit more Money $$$$

But overall i think it would damage the Franchise....

For me Lieutenant First Class Ellen Louise Ripley died on  Fiorina "Fury" 161 ..........R.I.P

Thanks for the Images Kethol....

I look forwards to debating this Topic Latter ;)

@Janekripley76

I can understand how this may not suit many people, a lot has evolved behind the scenes as far as the Xenomorph connection and indeed Nothing in any of the Movies shows us the Engineers Created the Xenomorph, Prometheus showed they had created or came into contact with a Organism that is related, but the Fresco Creature and Deacon Mural are not 100% Xenomorphs and the Face Huggers in the Mural do not match the Alien Xenomorphs.

I think while the intention was the Engineers may have been behind the Xenomorph, they are now going the route that i explained in my previous Post.

And that is to Explore and Explain that when a Life Form/Race decides to Create Life in their own likeness, this event has a eventual downfall and rebellious outcome by their creators, that leads to a event that ultimately leads to the Creators Downfall.

We do not know how far the Hierarchy is above the Engineers, so if we just take it from the Engineers POV

If The Engineers had not Created Mankind, they would never had needed to create the Black Goo to Destroy Mankind, thus the event and effects this had on their Society would not have happened (likely).

Had they not created Mankind, then Mankind would not have Created David who was then able to use the Engineers Technology and Ultimately bring Hell to their World in Alien Covenant.

Ultimately creating Mankind has proven to be a massive mistake, the most costly of all is due to the Process that leads the Engineers Creation to Sub-create of its own and Bring about David... who has dire consequences for the Engineers.

But this Hubris also follows Mankind, because their creation of David has drastic potential consequences for Mankind.

But if we follow the Timeline and Accept Aliens and Alien 3 as Canon etc... Ultimately Mankind manage to overcome the Treat posed by the Xenomorph and David.

But Alien Resurrection shows that Mankinds Greed and need to try and Resurrect Davids Creation could potentially lead to massive consequences for Mankind again.

So the Whole Tale i think RS is trying to put over is that, we have this Xenomorph Monster that we see in its Final Form in Alien, and that if those Engineers had not tried to play GOD and Create Mankind... then this Monster and the Black Goo that Spawned it would maybe never had been Created and the Engineers would have not suffered the consequences of their Actions.

And so the Tale Ends with how RS has mentioned before... That Creating AI could actually be a very Bad Idea for Mankind.

You on about the Tail are you not DK ;)

I think it looks like the Creature is playing with some kind of Harp!

Indeed as Kethol says though, they do a lot of alternative Covers for the Movies....

I think they had to link the Alien a bit so people know this Book is connected to Alien Covenant, when really the Title should have been enough..... i think they could have got some Artist to do a different kind of Cover, with a interesting Tag-Line.

Here is the Reply i put to the News Section about the same Topic.

Again i have to Question the Marketing and those behind all this at FOX, as the Books Cover again looks misleading.  Again i guess they have to show the Xenomorph so people looking at this book will make a connection that the book is linked to the Movie.

When actually the book while links to the Movie will have not a single connection to the Xenomorph... unless the book covers any kind of twist or information behind what W-Y know about LV-223 and Davids where abouts.

Surely ADF has worked close with FOX/RS on this and so this book will maybe give us a Time of when the Covenant finally gets underway towards Oregae-6, which will help us to see how this fits with Covenants Time Line as i assume the ship is not on a 7 year mission as some time would already had past during the mission due to it having to Recharge with the Sails.

I think the book can give some insider information to Corporate conspiracy and espionage and turmoil behind the scenes.

What is interesting is this is stating the Covenant is the most ambitious mission the Company has taken part in and is off to Charter Distance Areas of Space we have not explored as far as Mankind (which goes against the Weyland Prometheus Viral site which has shown Mankind has explored much further prior to Prometheus).

But we cant take the Viral Prometheus site as Canon as far as the Discover New Worlds part of the site.

It seems the book is painting a picture that things are getting bad on Earth, so bad that there is some good reason Mankind needs to start to establish Large Off World Colonies.  So it would be interesting if we get some back ground to this.

Alien Resurrection also painted a Dire Turmoil on Earth at some previous date, and gives clues that there was a few uprisings from Synthetics in the Past.

Looking at how RS has seemed to be exploring the Themes of Rebellion and David 8, it is possible a Hubris to Mankind in the Pursuit and Creation of AI has its drawbacks.   And so in part RS could be hinting at some kind of Terminator/Matrix kind of Plot as far as Rebellious, Sentient AI and the adverse affect it would have on Mankind.

Indeed and one thing to remember is RS will want to take his Prequels as Cannon and ALIEN... so we cant be sure what his plans are as far as Backgrounds that Aliens and Alien 3 etc give us...  if he does go for a kind of Rogue Uprising by AI/Synthetics route or some other Problem... that would not add up to the Background we get from Aliens too much... RS could potentially want to make his own Alien Sequels that in effect do to Aliens what Blomkamps Alien 5 would have with Alien 3 and Alien R

"I hate to be a killjoy here, but clearly this "lab" that David has is NOT a workable biological lab facility at all."

Not sure what you mean by "workable biological lab facility", but David studied the biology of the pathogen and experimented with it in this lab, so technically it is a biological lab. If you are thinking of something on the level of genetic engineering by directly gene splicing, that is not what this is at all. His lab is no more complex than something from the 1800s on Earth. David had no complex equipment, so all he could do was cross breeding/hybridizing, which is exactly what he said he was doing in the book and movie. Cross breeding/hyridizing and artificial selection are broadly defined as "genetic engineering", although it is actually the pathogen that re-writes the DNA at the genetic level.

"Entering the host and rewriting the DNA, the pathogen produced mature offspring who's appearance and characteristics are wholly dependent upon the nature of the host itself."

All David did was allow a specific host to be infected by a specific parasite of the pathogen, take the resulting egg and infect another specific host with the parasite - and so on, until he got the traits he was looking for in the final cross bred parasite. Each parasite would take certain traits from the DNA of the host. That was all he could do with his limited resources.

The proto xenomorph was the result of him cross breeding the ultramorph or neomorph with other animals to come up with his "improved" version.

"with nothing but time to watch and to learn, eventually my innate curiosity got the better of me and with nothing to occupy myself other than the compiling of a simple collection, I began to do a bit of genetic experimentation of my own. Some cross-breeding, hybridizing, what have you. I like to think that the ill fate inhabitants of this world, the original Engineers, would gaze on my work with approval."

Who knows if RS will be going for a Redesign though... showing something more Synthetic for the Space Jockey when he reaches the Climax of his Prequels could well Damage the Reputation and Image that ALIEN has set in Fans minds for nearly 40 years.

It will interesting to see where they go with the Space Jockey and a lot had feared it would be David or a Human or another Synthetic in a Suit....  But when a Interview from RS was released in late June i think?  Where he spoke about the Next Movie we will see the return of the Engineers as they arrive to find Planet 4 Decimated.

This gives us hope that beings related to the Engineers will return and hopefully they will Ultimately be where the Space Jockey comes from.

The Size Difference is Key....  RS had invisioned the Space Jockey to be 26ft or so, but the Illusion created was only about 22ft when he used the entering the Chamber Shot (where he used Child Actors) and this was totally offset by using the close ups of the actual Actors and so the Space Jockey was only 16ft Prop which means the Pilot would be 13-15ft Tall.

This is what the Status Quo was for the Prequels, with Spaights Alien Engineers and the 15ft Engineer Race... which got toned down to 12ft in latter Drafts.

When Prometheus was being shot the idea was now 9-10ft tall, but alas all we have is 7ft+ Actors in Space Suits that created the illusion of a 8ft Space Suited Engineer Tops... The Cryo-Pods only holding a 7.5ft Maximum Humanoid.

Alien Covenant we got varied Engineer sizes, but it looked like they was between 6-7ft tall.   So i think we can accept these Engineers are all different Sizes, and the LV-223 Engineers who also look more like the Sacrificial One are between 7 to 7.5ft Tall.

But this does not add up to the Space Jockey, but then the Derelict does not quite look like the Juggernaughts and clues now seem to indicate maybe those Engineers on LV-223 and Paradise/Planet 4 are indeed Creations and Serve at least a Hierarchy of similar Humanoid Beings... who could be the Portrayal that RS/FOX are going for as far as the Elders.

A few who have worked on Prometheus and Alien Covenant, included Wayne Haagg had speculated that the Engineers in Prometheus may have Stolen or Borrowed the Technology they posses.

So i think this leaves it very open to introduce the Space Jockey as a Ancient Race/Being who are above the Engineers and who either commissioned re-designed Technology for the Engineers to use for the Agenda and Purpose of these beings... or that these Engineers had rebelled and Stolen/Re-engineered this Ancient Races Technology.

So its going to be interesting how Ridley Scott introduces the Space Jockey Event, i think it would be wise to introduce a Race/Being that is 12-15ft Tall for this Purpose and use Technology that Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit has used to make Human Actors look Taller or Smaller.

It will be interesting to see if the Space Jockey we will be shown in RS Planned Prequels looks more like the One on that DVD BOX Set... or if they will show us a more Organic Version than the Prometheus One.

But i think those expecting it to NOT be a SPACE SUIT will never get what they wanted.

Indeed i was gonna add just as Dark Nebula has that its from that Concept work.

What is interesting is this Concept work is more Mechanical than any other design they went with for the Franchise, the Space Jockey looked more Organic than the Prometheus Space Jockey Suits, and yet the Concept that Dark Nebula posted that is what is also on that Box Set cover is more Mechanical/Synthetic than even the Prometheus Design.

Its almost indeed like a Space suit, more than any of the other concepts/used designs.

I mean, the cover is badass, but I agree with BigDave that it is misleading again. Marketing seems to be faltering pretty hardcore with this film and it's related releases... Except for the blu-ray covers! 

I also agree with BigDave about the timeline and what shape the Earth is in. As far as I remember, Weyland had Earth on track to survive for a long time... I mean, didn't an atmospheric processor literally stop the acceleration of global warming? I can't be surprised by all of these u-turns, but I can still complain! I am excited to get to spend some more time with Daniels, Lope, Jake though. Plus, Foster usually turns out some great content, so the book should be entertaining to me no matter what, really.

One thing I half expect to read is a few passages dedicated to David or David and Shaw, or you know, something like that, you know? Maybe even the Engineers get a page or two. Ohhhh and maybe there are some interactions with a Walter model or even David in there? I mean, David is off the line at that point, but there is a chance!

Thats a nice theory ;)

We can clearly see that there are sections, like a Giant Space Pizza.... but the Four Quarters are more clearly marked out as far as the Thickness of those Lines/Path.  And these Paths seem to lead directly to the 4 Large Statues surrounding the Hanger

So thanks to your noticing those Statues we have 192 such Statues and 4 Larger Ones in the Center.

Who knows what the Purpose is, and the some kind of Time theory is a interesting one to ponder.

However if we look at it in another way to WHY build these Statues on top of those Columns, we maybe have to look at why Many Ancient Cultures on Earth did the same.

This usually is to represent Important Figures within History, for their Deeds/Accomplishments, their Rank/Importance etc.  And so why would Statues be built to reflect a Culture.

Indeed it could be to showcase their entire Species/Culture, but maybe it could be also to represent individuals or events.

We on Earth make such Monuments to the Following,  Rulers/Kings, Political Figures,  Religious Leaders or people of Religious importance.  Monuments to those who had a great effect on Culture and Mankind by their Arts (Musicians, Artists, Poets) or for their Deeds, such as Sacrificial deeds for the greater Good of their Culture, which include Military Personnel or people who had made a great impact on their people for various reasons, from people like Mother Teresa (And other Saints). Or people like Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela

As the Engineers do like to make Statues to signify importance of their kind, but are these Statues dedicated the their Culture as a Whole... or individuals?

I wonder if the Arena thus is to celebrate certain individuals at certain times in their Culture.

What if as i have speculated for a while, since the movie came out the whole Hanger has a Sacrificial Purpose and this place is where Sacrificial Engineers are taken from.... and in Return for their Sacrifice they receive Monuments Built in their Image with their Names Engraved so their Sacrifice is never forgotten and they are Immortalized in Stone.

I hate to be a killjoy here, but clearly this "lab" that David has is NOT a workable biological lab facility at all.

At best it is just a beautiful animal/insect museum with lots of paper illustrations, displays and preserved specimens (plus some live eggs in the basement which we later discover). There is not even the most basic of microscopes, in this "lab". lol. No test tubes, no petri dish, no syringes, no disinfectants nor X-ray machines nor endoscopes etc. on this primitive planet.

Is David going to do gene splicing or DNA sequencing with his hands? Or is he just simply randomly mixing and matching body parts and just mesh 'em together somehow, in an earthen pot, cook it for 2 hours and viola! And even if he by some chance makes something successfully, how is he going to contain the new creature for further study and/or experimentation? Is he using stone bricks salvaged from the Engineer's buildings or building a wooden cage to prevent these powerful and fast-growing creatures from ripping his head off or melting his android hands off with their acid? RS and his producers are way off kilter here.

If the Alien-verse is to be consistent, then David definitely did NOT create the Xenomorph. In my rationalization thread, I've already stated only the Engineers, with advance bio-tech resources and capabilities could have created the Xenomorph and the evidence of the Geiger-resque exoskeltal form shows the fingerprint of the Engineer's creation. David is just fiddling with something that was already "perfected" by the Engineers much earlier.

Again i have to Question the Marketing and those behind all this at FOX, as the Books Cover again looks misleading.  Again i guess they have to show the Xenomorph so people looking at this book will make a connection that the book is linked to the Movie.

When actually the book while links to the Movie will have not a single connection to the Xenomorph... unless the book covers any kind of twist or information behind what W-Y know about LV-223 and Davids where abouts.

Surely ADF has worked close with FOX/RS on this and so this book will maybe give us a Time of when the Covenant finally gets underway towards Oregae-6, which will help us to see how this fits with Covenants Time Line as i assume the ship is not on a 7 year mission as some time would already had past during the mission due to it having to Recharge with the Sails.

I think the book can give some insider information to Corporate conspiracy and espionage and turmoil behind the scenes.

What is interesting is this is stating the Covenant is the most ambitious mission the Company has taken part in and is off to Charter Distance Areas of Space we have not explored as far as Mankind (which goes against the Weyland Prometheus Viral site which has shown Mankind has explored much further prior to Prometheus).

But we cant take the Viral Prometheus site as Canon as far as the Discover New Worlds part of the site.

It seems the book is painting a picture that things are getting bad on Earth, so bad that there is some good reason Mankind needs to start to establish Large Off World Colonies.  So it would be interesting if we get some back ground to this.

Alien Resurrection also painted a Dire Turmoil on Earth at some previous date, and gives clues that there was a few uprisings from Synthetics in the Past.

Looking at how RS has seemed to be exploring the Themes of Rebellion and David 8, it is possible a Hubris to Mankind in the Pursuit and Creation of AI has its drawbacks.   And so in part RS could be hinting at some kind of Terminator/Matrix kind of Plot as far as Rebellious, Sentient AI and the adverse affect it would have on Mankind.

No It wasn't David, Who ruined Alien was Scott.

Say what you want about the movie, these viral marketing videos are perfection.

Yes, can't wait!

@MU/TH/UR 9000 - Kethol The pressure suits are like the Prometheus crew's pressure suits, skin tight. It was part of the costume design, Janty Yates goes into detail on the The Furious Gods: Making Prometheus.

They are nothing like the Prometheus crew pressure suits, but they are skin tight, because they are fused with the Engineer's skin, a biological part of them. One of the scripts even said "There are bulky protrusions fused with his flesh: hard to say whether they are equipment or parts of his body". The "suit" and the skin are one. It is not separate. This is the heart of Giger's biomechanical aesthetic.

Look at the neck and wrist areas. No seams. The biomechanical skin blends right into the smooth skin.

Also, Janty Yates had nothing to do with the design of the Engineers. Janty did costume design, not creature design. Both versions of the Engineers, including the skin suit, were designed by Neville Page. Neville described it as squid-like skin and “truly Giger”. He also said it allowed connecting the cryo chamber directly to the body tissue, which is what we see it do in the movie when the Engineer is awakened.

David himself did not "ruin" A:C. I don't consider the film ruined. I consider it a "missed opportunity." What they DID with and to David was part of the missed opportunity. He shouldn't have had such a major role.

I love the suit!

I agree. I hope there is a lot of behind the scenes material about David's lab and the artifacts on the Blu Ray extras.

There are several different Covenant Blu Ray covers, none of which are the same as any of the various movie posters.

Prometheus had several different movie posters as well. It also had several different Blu Ray covers, none of which were the same as the movie posters.

If there was more gore in the DVD/Blu version it would be marketed that way.

There will be deleted scenes, but the home video version of the movie will be the exact directors cut we got in theaters.

Posters are just for marketing and don't necessarily have to tie exactly into anything in the movie. There were several different Covenant posters, many of which did not represent any specific scene in the movie.

That said, I thought that black and white poster perfectly represented the hell the Engineers David used as hosts went through as David experimented in cross breeding to make the proto xenomorph.

The art itself should never be "described". Art, by definition, is to be interpreted differently by each beholder. That is the nature of true Art, so "descriptions" would NEVER truly convey a piece of Art, and never should try.

@VivisectedEngineer

Thanks! I'd love to write this as a fan fiction or a script...I've already watched the movie a dozen times in my mind!

I'll write some scenes and see if they work.

Gender: One of the reasons I'm up in the air about the human/synth being male or female! Very difficult to make up my mind! I need to take a pole or something. lol!

I feel like it's almost cliche' to have a female lead(in the Alien series)...And after watching Walter...I'm really thinking of making the synth/human a male. Walter like.  

Help!

Thank you DN

Its actually this concept image

Looks like the early concept design of the SJ suit for prometheus

I wonder why they used that in the cover