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There are many components you cite above from 2015 that seem to be depicted in the post Alien: Covenant release Hallett image BigDave.

There are many things that I've noticed from the Dark Horse Alien and Prometheus comics that have made their way into the movie and now in parts of the "secret" concept work.

I hope a lot the concepts we saw in the comics make their way into the game.

Hopefully it will be primarily a single player campaign. Online could be interesting if enough franchise fans have the necessary hardware/connections.

That Alien rulebook would be a interesting find lol, at least they have a set of RULES so sequels and other spin offs can follow so to not contradict any plans.

I wonder what Uncharted Territory is? and i hope its not Ripleys Mother or Father ;)

But seriously i think this is interesting, it depends if they mean Uncharted Territory as in the Games and Movies, as in General the Xenomorphs in the series came from the Derelict Eggs, a few explored well hinted the Xenomorphs came from those kinds of Eggs but not necessary the ones on the Derelict but that other Eggs are elsewhere.

The Prequels have expanded the Universe, so we now have the potential for various kinds of Xenomorph Hybrids, and what ever else the Black Goo does, we have the Engineers, and who could be above them.

We have not explored LV-223 or other Engineers Outposts they conduct Experiments and Creation on, or been to Worlds the Engineers have created other life on.. (unless they created the Predators).  and with Alien Covenant indeed we have Planet 4 and Origae-6 that can be explored within context of a ALIEN game.

So i am looking forwards to seeing where this will go.

"why they replaced a sacrifice cup on strange green crystal in ampules room. JUST WHY!?"

I just could never ever figure this change out, it was a change that made my theories on LV-223 not add up, i had a hunch from the Trailers for Prometheus, but seeing the Green Crystal was a puzzle, it was only many months after Prometheus when Jon Spaights Alien Engineers Draft was released and we look at how the Scarabs worked instead of the Black Goo, and then apply that to the Black Goo that my theory i had made Perfect Sense.

I could just never figure what the Crystal was for or WHY change?

Until February 2015 i had some source who apparently had information on the then Prometheus 2 by Paglen/Green based on the Autumn 2014 draft.

They Claimed Paradise had a Garden like Orchard and at the end of it was a Black Obelisk that was neither Rock or Metal, it looked Grown as it had roots, and it Glowed Green.  THIS was the Source of the Engineers Power, it was the Creation Tool, it was the Forbidden Fruit and Prometheus Fire.  Playing as Paradises loosely Tree of Knowledge and Life.

The source hints the Fallen Engineers had Stolen a Shard/Shards of this and taken them to LV-223 to use for their own Experiments/Creation which caused them a great Hubris. But also a Freedom from Bondage.

So they are kind of hinting that the Engineers Sacrificial/Creation Goo comes from this Obelisk and Fragment or Fragments had been Stolen by the Fallen Engineers.

Looking at this, it kind of makes sense... because if the Obelisk Crystal is the source of what makes the Goo, then having a Chunk of It on the Altar gives the impression this is where they can use this Creation Tool over and over.

The Sacrificial Bowl would leave us asking, where does the Goo inside come from, because surely a Bowl of Goo only has limited uses.

Interesting as Polypoids to relate to Cnidarians the Source i had from 2015 did say the Xeno Origins was from a Parasite that had Cnidarian characteristics but more so Cystoidea (Echinoderms) and basically said they started as a Parasitical Worm that had was like some Cnidarian  (Sea Hydra) but also looked like a cross between Tadpoles a bit like Mosquito Larve only with Tentacled heads.  These could infect a Host to pass on DNA...  But they would also grow and then turn into like a Cystoid where there bodies grow into like round cocoon, with a tail and Tentacles, they called this Stage like a Testicle with Tentacles.  These could also infect a Host.

When no Hosts were around or the Environment was not suitable they would enter a state of Hibernation and attach to Surfaces with their Tentacles and Harden into a Cyst...  from this when a Host is around or Suitable Environment, inside the Cyst Stage the Organism either Clones its Adult Parasite Stage (a smaller Tentacled Testicle) or inside the Cyst it just clones itself into many more worm like Parasite Stages.

They hint the Xenomorph DNA chain came from contact with this Parasite with the Engineers Experiments. Kind of like the FLY movie where a Fly enters the Teleportation Device.  So they claimed early 2015 that was.

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I really like that idea Critters5. Investigate Engineer mystery and get slaughtered by a xenomorph along the way...bring it on.

That's wonderful BigDave.

Have a reunion and welcome Walter back on the craft as the Engineers show up very disappointed with the property damage on Planet 4. And all their family turned to black stone. The Engineers would certainly show aggression.

A climax with an Engineer return like you describe above would be amazing. The Engineer architecture, juggernauts...all of it riddled with dark areas ready to produce a surprise horror. It is kind of tough to choose 1st person or 3rd person shooter...Super Metroid is my favorite 3rd person, Metroid Prime is my favorite 1st person shooter. Either way could be great if done right.

Decomposition on Planet 4

As far as the decomposition on Planet 4 after David washed the planet with pathogen aerosol....good question but I can only assume there will be xenomorph type bacteria similar to what we have seen from Hallett (below) that would infect and consume/mutate the flesh.

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@leto I think i recall @Bigdave having some answers to the green crystal a whilst back.  I as well wondered the same thing about the crystal.  I always thought it was like Jurassic Park with the amber holding DNA within the mosquito. The green crystal may have had some lifeform or DNA inside of it. 

I hope on "Special Edition" of Prometheus after RS complete making his an Alien trilogy prequels.

From Prometheus I have only one question - why they replaced a sacrifice cup on strange green crystal in ampules room. JUST WHY!?

In early trailers of Prometheus we all saw the cup, but then they make a green crystal. What is this? It doesn't matter in plot or context of Prometheus or Covenant. Whereas the cup would explain a lot things or give hints.

I think the easy answer to that is the Covenant Ship mission is NO-WHERE near LV-426/223 and that it will head to Origae-6 which is again even further out than LV-426, however at some point if Davids Creation becomes those Eggs on the Derelict, then they have to end up on a Engineer Ship.

I can only assume the route they are going now is this would be the case, and its the incoming Engineers in the Sequel that will set up the Derelict Ship, which then has to be heading towards LV-223

If the Derelict is Ancient, which is what was planned prior to Alien Covenant, then i think the Covenant would miss it as above,  but certainly after David informs the Company of what he has been up to (Advent Olive Branch) you would assume the Company would investigate LV-223 and in doing so would come across the Derelict Signal.  Regardless i think LV-223 is something that has to be covered and cleared up so it does not conflict with the Alien movies.

The fossilized Space Jockey, only appears this way, the rest of the Ship does not appear this way, but it looks much more Organic than the Juggernauts, would this be addressed?  Or is it a oversight we have to accept?

So the Space Jockey Suit could look that way because its a Organic Suit to a degree and it simply dies off like how a Snake Skin does, or how a Dead Cactus looks compared to a Living one.  But indeed the idea at the time of ALIEN was that the Derelict had been there for a very long time.

I think a lot has to do with WHEN the Company receives that information off David and then WHERE the Company decides to go, i think Logically they would at least send a mission to LV-223, for certain now.... we have to wonder why they never did in the 10 years prior.

If the Company Oddly only sends ONE ship or sends Ships only to Origae-6 to where David is off too, then indeed it would mean nothing maybe gets detected regarding LV-223/426 until many many years after.

The estimated Arrival Time for the Covenant to Origae-6 is the year 2112 and so 10 years prior to ALIEN it looks like the Company wont get no signals from David until nearly 18 months after David leaves with the Covenant from Planet 4, and it appears the Covenant ship had been at least 9-12 months but up to 18 months into its journey to Origae-6 before the events of Alien Covenant. (it could be longer as i dont think the Origins Novel gives any date to when the Covenant departed on its mission).

I think this could be interesting, i guess we shall have to wait and see

Indeed DK the way those earlier RE Games worked, but with more freedom/control and like in say Alien Isolation but with option to go between First Person and 3rd Person Perspective would be interesting.

I do worry the Game will be more of a basic AVP/Alien Colonial Marines type Action Shooter though, lets just hope there is more to KILL and be THREATENED by than Eggs, Face Huggers, Xenomorphs and Queens ;)

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Indeed i have only seen the movie 4 times so have not studied it in depth like Prometheus, i do recall the first Neomorph being shot a few times and then running off, maybe it died from its injuries? I will have to re-watch and pay more attention.

I guess if they both survived then we have to ask why did the other not go to the Cathedral too?

There are rumors the movie had planned to have a (and some rumors even had) Neomorph vs Xenomorph scene for the fate of the other Neomorph.. Which is exactly what happened in the Novel... 

so maybe this added to my potential confusion regarding the fate of the other Neomorph.

Looking Logically at the movie, it would make more sense that the Neomorph that first attacked was indeed killed,  we still have to ask what happens to the Body, as far as what state would the remains be in should a Company Ship arrive years latter.

Then again we have to wonder what state the Human Bodys would be in too ;)

Good point.

If the derelict ship from Alien is ancient and on a nearby moon, how come the signal was not intercepted by Covenant as it was few years later intercepted by Nostromo?  And if the derelict is not ancient why the claimed to be engineer flight suit aka Space Jockey looks fossilized? 

I think the EARLIER Drafts, while more Alieny, they also DO-NOT Spoon Feed the Space Jockey Event... well kind of, as i think if we ASSUME the Ultramorph Scene was the Space Jockey Death Scene, we have some inconsistencies...

*No Explanation of the Acid Burnt Hole that Kane Descends down into!

*No Evidence of the crashed Magellan within proximity to the Derelict!

*No Evidence of the Outpost within proximity to the Derelict!

*No Evidence of all those Pyramids sending off those Signals into the SKY!

How could all this be missed if the event takes place what 25-30 years prior to ALIEN?

I dont recall a Date given in Jon Spaights drafts, apart from ....

HOLLOWAY

Tell me that’s a natural formation.(he grins)Undeniable proof of alien civilization. You were here on this day, thirty-one December, year of our Lord 2172. History will remember your name.

So is Spaights Alien Engineers set in the Year 2172?  This surely means after ALIEN but also 7 years prior to ALIENS  which surely has to conflict with Hadleys Hope, and how did the company miss all that happened?

Was the 2172 a Typo.... and it was set in the year 2072? 50 years before ALIEN? If this is the case i would still say there are too many inconsiderateness to link to ALIEN and thus its likely the events had taken place on another location on LV-426

Lindeloffs draft does not conflict any date for the Space Jockey or ALIEN as its set on a near by Moon, and leaves clues that could support the Space Jockey being a Ancient Event, or even supporting the Direction that Alien Covenant has taken.

I think if we look at the drafts, Lindeloffs is very ambiguous to what Fifield looks like, but i get the impression of something more like the CGI version.  But if we look at Alien Engineers he is described in more detail and whats interesting is in Jon Spaights version we get a detailed look at Fifield being Mutated, i just cant help but thinking back to the AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON as far as Transformation Scene, and picturing a Fifield Mutation Scene where he changes from Human to something more Alien....  Then by the time we see him attack the Prometheus/Magellan Crew he could appear yet more mutated and different still.

Would that have been something.... mind you the reveal of a Transformation Scene while Graphically if done right would be awesome, it would give away the Surprise Scene of when Fifield appears in that Crab Position outside the Ship, and then rises up... as we already would have seen what becomes of him.

If i cant find my Prometheus Re-write i can just add in detail the scenes added and changed, but it shows with just a number of changes we would have got more clues to the Xenomorph, were only those with a Low IQ would not get enough clues to make a very educated guess to how the Xenomorph came to be....  But even the changes i made would not please EVERY Fan, because it still would not Spoon Feed/Show the Exact Space Jockey Event, and yep had no Xenomorphs or Queens.

But a more Alieny Fifield, revealing Tiny Eggs inside a killed Hammerpede, and a Chest Buster from Milburn, coupled with some Narrative extras to hint more at the Altar/Mural a bit of Screen Time dedicated to a quick look at the Cryo-Pod Dead Engineers.   And the peek inside the room behind the Mural should all have provided more clues.

BigDave Yep- The two character RE style is a fantastic idea. It is like getting two games in one- actually four since there were two scenarios for each character (I played RE 2 more than I care to admit). With today's technology, it seems you could play as more characters and the things you do or don't do affect the over all game outcome. Those survival horror games usually had different endings and paths too. Additionally, some things you did or items you took could affect the next scenario. The challenge would be getting enough interest so that the company with the purse strings would authorize the development.

*Missing Neomorph: We only saw the death of one, so where is the other? How long do them live and what happens when they Die?

Both of them were shot dead, one youngster in the grass field and the second one in the Cathedral. 

If we take a look at this map that Ingeniero provided on one of their threads, and we assume its accurate

It shows the Potential for Locations within such a Game, i have added a Circle where the Neomorph Attacks happened, and thus where the body of Hallett and Ankor will be located.  So a Video Game mission to Planet 4 would allow for the discovery/exploration of a number of things.

*Lander Crash Site: Not much evidence to be gained, maybe the bodies of Karine, and Ledwood would be in no good condition to figure whats happened, and Farris no doubt would be severely burnt.

*Neomorph Attack Zone: Where the remains of Hallett and Ankor are located.

*Juggernaught Ship: Where a number of clues remains and Neomorph Spores.

*Stream/River just before the passage to the Juggernaught: The location of the Spores that infected Ledwood, but more Spores could be located at various areas near River/Streams.

*The Inner Engineer City: Where we would have the location of many Dead Bombarded Engineers.

*The Hanger/Docking Bay: What is left to discover here? Any Engineer Ships?

*The Crashed Docking Ship: Another place to explore, what condition are the Dead Engineers in here?

*The Cathedral Building: Again maybe one of the Main Locations, where Davids Workshop (some Black Goo)  and Experiments are located, the Dead Bodies of Rosenthal, Cole and Oram including the Egg Chamber with plenty of Eggs remaining.  Plus likely Walters Body (depending on his condition).

*Other City Buildings: What clues/horrors remain here, was their temporary shelter from the Bombardment in any of these buildings?

*Vast Mountains, Forest and Open Plains: For locations, where the Gamer could be hunted by Xenomorphs/Neomorphs.

*Missing Neomorph: We only saw the death of one, so where is the other? How long do them live and what happens when they Die?

The other Questions Remaining is what became of the Xenomorph/Neomorph Bodies are their remains, do they decompose?  Ridley Scott Teased the Xenomorph would Regenerate, which sounds silly, but maybe not if from the remains, they break down and small Egg Spores grow.

So there is certainly a lot of areas to explore....

A game could have the crew split into groups, one group remains at the Landing Site, and a lot depends where this site is located.... do they land close to the Covenant Lander Wreckage? Closer to the City?

While another TWO Group go off to different areas.... The Player taking control of a character within one of these exploring groups who go to one location, are maybe then called for help by those at the Landing Site or other Party Exploring the different area... which when the Player arrives he discovers they have been infected etc...

The Game could offer TWO alternative Characters to select, one a Female and one a Male, like the Original Resident Evil Game, and each Character belongs to a different exploration party.  So if you choose Character A you head off to explore the Juggernaught First, get a SOS to help the other Party, or arrive where they are latter (The Cathedral)  while if you choose Character B you are off to the City/Cathedral first, maybe you arrive latter at the Juggernaught or witness survivors of this Party running to your location, with Neomorph in pursuit.

If you are Character A, then by the time you reach the Cathedral, you will discover a few of that Party have been infected with Face Huggers, maybe discover the Bodies and Witness Chest Burster.

If you are Character B maybe you discover Orams body and the Egg Cave, see some get Face Hugged and attempt to leave the Cathedral at which point you run into Character A running of from a Neomorph.

So yes a kind of Survival Horror Game could work very well.

If we take a look at this map that Ingeniero provided on one of their threads, and we assume its accurate

It shows the Potential for Locations within such a Game, i have added a Circle where the Neomorph Attacks happened, and thus where the body of Hallett and Ankor will be located.  So a Video Game mission to Planet 4 would allow for the discovery/exploration of a number of things.

*Lander Crash Site: Not much evidence to be gained, maybe the bodies of Karine, and Ledwood would be in no good condition to figure whats happened, and Farris no doubt would be severely burnt.

*Neomorph Attack Zone: Where the remains of Hallett and Ankor are located.

*Juggernaught Ship: Where a number of clues remains and Neomorph Spores.

*Stream/River just before the passage to the Juggernaught: The location of the Spores that infected Ledwood, but more Spores could be located at various areas near River/Streams.

*The Inner Engineer City: Where we would have the location of many Dead Bombarded Engineers.

*The Hanger/Docking Bay: What is left to discover here? Any Engineer Ships?

*The Crashed Docking Ship: Another place to explore, what condition are the Dead Engineers in here?

*The Cathedral Building: Again maybe one of the Main Locations, where Davids Workshop (some Black Goo)  and Experiments are located, the Dead Bodies of Rosenthal, Cole and Oram including the Egg Chamber with plenty of Eggs remaining.  Plus likely Walters Body (depending on his condition).

*Other City Buildings: What clues/horrors remain here, was their temporary shelter from the Bombardment in any of these buildings?

*Vast Mountains, Forest and Open Plains: For locations, where the Gamer could be hunted by Xenomorphs/Neomorphs.

*Missing Neomorph: We only saw the death of one, so where is the other? How long do them live and what happens when they Die?

The other Questions Remaining is what became of the Xenomorph/Neomorph Bodies are their remains, do they decompose?  Ridley Scott Teased the Xenomorph would Regenerate, which sounds silly, but maybe not if from the remains, they break down and small Egg Spores grow.

So there is certainly a lot of areas to explore....

A game could have the crew split into groups, one group remains at the Landing Site, and a lot depends where this site is located.... do they land close to the Covenant Lander Wreckage? Closer to the City?

While another TWO Group go off to different areas.... The Player taking control of a character within one of these exploring groups who go to one location, are maybe then called for help by those at the Landing Site or other Party Exploring the different area... which when the Player arrives he discovers they have been infected etc...

The Game could offer TWO alternative Characters to select, one a Female and one a Male, like the Original Resident Evil Game, and each Character belongs to a different exploration party.  So if you choose Character A you head off to explore the Juggernaught First, get a SOS to help the other Party, or arrive where they are latter (The Cathedral)  while if you choose Character B you are off to the City/Cathedral first, maybe you arrive latter at the Juggernaught or witness survivors of this Party running to your location, with Neomorph in pursuit.

If you are Character A, then by the time you reach the Cathedral, you will discover a few of that Party have been infected with Face Huggers, maybe discover the Bodies and Witness Chest Burster.

If you are Character B maybe you discover Orams body and the Egg Cave, see some get Face Hugged and attempt to leave the Cathedral at which point you run into Character A running of from a Neomorph.

So yes a kind of Survival Horror Game could work very well.

It's a good thing there are no marines in the story.

I see a lot of initiative emerging from the alien universe, comics, a new game, so the interest is still present. I hope Disney will notice and respect the fanbase by making as soon as possible the next Alien film. They have to greet the fans after taking over the franchise from Fox. A title that could interest some of their biggest fanbase yet could be: Alien: Wars.

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Some  hints and Easter eggs in there too.

Great news! Keep the Alien verse alive.

How did they get the license? Who owns the rights to develop Alien themed stuff? Disney?

Love to have it on LV223...in the catacombs...deep in the tombs. Would be much easier to create...Planet 4 has has many of objects(trees,cities, lakes)..Lv223 just has rocks.