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GEEZ! I didnt there was so much hate for the avp series! I LOVED avp! i bought the video game (xbox 360) last week and loved it! Avp 2, meh... predalien, cool i guess. i havnt seen predators yet. well c ya guys later. i got the alien legacy 20th anniversary in the mail 2day. off to watch aliens!

So the comics for the most part of AVP, Aliens and Predator....AWESOME! The AVP films until the humans story line came into play pretty much sucked. But we have Hollywood to blame for that. Contrary to popular belief I loved Predators! I am looking forward to the next one! But the AVP movies could've been real good had they followed the comics like anything else. Actually if both movies took place on another planet would've been a great start. Someone on this forum said it best that these movies were marketed as slasher flicks. I have to agree with that statement. I do have to say that the overall costumes for the Xeno's and Preds were cool and the Wolf Pred ruled! The AVP movies were so embarrasing to watch when the humans came into play espicially the briefing part for example when the guy said "laugh it up" or in requiem when the guy yells " get to the chopper!" I mean these idiots that made these movies must HATE science fiction to do something like that! I bet if Simon Pegg put these together they would have the right amount of violence to where it is tasteless, the right amount of humor to where you are not feeling like Michael Bay co wrote the thing, the right type of dialogue to where the tension is thick in the air that you could spread it on toast. Those movies just broke my heart!

Lots more to find yet Sparky, lots more

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@ Spartacus, 2 thoughts for you: 1. On the meeting of beings theory. Other than the derelict in Alien and the predators, there is no mention that I know of in any of the movies that mankind is aware of or in contact with other sentient lifeforms. 2. I always got the impression in the movies that corporations rather than countries really ran the show. So it's not so much USA and UK, but Weyland and Yutani.

Love those points Rakkasan and you are "prolly" right, I mentioned what I did because I hypothesize that in Prometheus Mankind becomes aware of the existence of other sentient beings. However, in thinking about what you said about "WEYLAND" {we always assumed there were 2 seperate companies but there in fact were not and never were as the inventor of this little name explained outright for us all} I agree that by using The Company as Earths rep they 100% get a work around that works in the scenerio I posted... all of that aside however, I still think something BIGGER THAN ANY OF US HAVE VEN THOUGHT OF is going on here!!! I also think Scott is having the time of his life setting us all up for something that's going to turn out far better than we could even imagine as well!!! I think Ridley Scott is deliberately UNDERSELLING and UNDER PROMOTING this thing and just look how "kickin" that's all working for him. I mean I really really think we aren't even close and he's going to ROCK EVERYONE's MIND !!! He's going to show us ways that ALIEN BEINGS have influenced Earth culture that we can't and have not even imagined!!!

i hope your right predatordreads

im not paying cinema prices for a fucking pg film i was sold on the i'm going to scare the shit out of you bollocks they can fuck right off its a sandwich box fucking spooky kids film for fucks sake

So what their really saying is im going to scare the shit out of you if your 13 / 18 years old ive yet to see a pg 13 that's remotely come close to scaring me

i feel utterly deflated on this news and my interest is wanning very fast jesus even black hawk was a 15

I think many are too obsessed with The r rating. Alien was r rated on the usa back then. Now i have All 4 movies in the directos cuts And they are all rated fsk16 in germany only. r rated is fsk18 here. Event horizon was also fsk16 only Despite of several gross and disturbing Images. so just chill!

i am quoting myself here from earlier in this thread cause i really really like defending my position on this one!!! to me it is NOT a no brainer because of this... If i am one of FOX's favorite demographic, that is a 13-19 year old teen angst filled sci-fi nerdy type male... Am I more drawn and attracted to a film that is 14 and over or one that is PG13 ??? Think about it... Cause a PG13 rating does in no way ensure more people are going to the theater to see your movie...but a 14+ rating almost always does!!!

ive been looking around the net on various blogs other than this one and i can tell you theres a lot of pissed people all over the age of 18 infact most in their late twenty's and thirty's and above who are not happy about the pg 13 news and i gotta say i'm in total agreement. I trust ridley and i feel of course it will be a good film but as i said i was sold on a thouroughly convincing statement that mentioned he wanted to make a really nasty film and there will be very perverse things happening in prometheus... now unlike ushbuck im not expecting an interglactic orgy but what i am expecting is profound adult serious events that cross the taste threshold of a pg 13 film, i mean Hannibal had shock value but im not talking about gore im talking about psychological terror and some extreme behaviour that just cant be shown in that pg13 rating i pray i'm proved wrong but i hope its braver than what i fear it now looks to be and if not well i just hope that there is a better cut on dvd cos ill wait for that and not bother at all with the theatrical release its no skin of my nose i haven't been to the cinema for years . i mean most of the original fans from 79 are ageing hippy sc fi nuts like myself who want a bit more than a run of the mill space film we want that spirit of filmmaking that was around back in those days the kind of films that broke the mold and broke new ground i dont want jurassic park in space.

She is changing! LOL kinda like after getting married LOL.

@bigbirdjimmy Haha! Yeah...the ladies do tend to "morph" after the wedding day don't they? ~N

great art work.. just one detail, in originall ALIEN you can CLEARLY see that strange trunk is grown together with the ribcage and the ribcage/back is one piece with the seat.

[b]@Juxtapose[/b] unfortunately not, these are just fan-made drawings.

If you like the theory that the SJ's found the xenos and used them for their purposes, why not use the xenos as "material" or building blocks if you will to construct their halls, ships or what have you. They are both biological and mechanical (metalic)! Living ore!

well you are a walking narcotic bughunter that's the point but yes i'm not intending to turn the forum into a drugs debate. but as a point of interest there's been many sc fi films inspired from the psychedelic experience 2001 and contact springs to mind,,, and lets face it philip k dick wasn't exactly T total. maybe these films were not blatant in where the ideas were inspired from but its obvious to me and i don't live in china we have a system of democracy in my country i dont know where you're from but the underlying principal is freedom of speech Ask HR Giger what he thinks about OPIUM the answer may surprise you.

If anal rapes permitted here then i'm afraid anything goes

I believe SJ IS fossilized and millennia old in Alien for the following reasons: -Details in Prometheus show a more slick, smoother and metallic "bio-mechanical" interior of the derelict, implying that it has "grown" ancient from millions of years in the movie Alien. -The textures on the walls have grown more pronounced in Alien, from metallic and smooth, into rigid boney biological forms. Nails continue to grow post mortem in human corpses- similar here. -LV-426 shows atmosphere and plant life where it crashes in Prometheus trailer, which could be an SJ terraforming project gone awry, because in Alien it is a baron, lifeless, desolate planet. -There will be time travel in this movie to make the fossilization theory work. These creatures are ancient and technologically superior, so I say time travel is possible. Could be wrong but it makes sense from what I've seen! Any takers?

I believe SJ IS fossilized and millennia old in Alien for the following reasons: -Details in Prometheus show a more slick, smoother and metallic "bio-mechanical" interior of the derelict, implying that it has "grown" ancient from millions of years in the movie Alien. -The textures on the walls have grown more pronounced in Alien, from metallic and smooth, into rigid boney biological forms. Nails continue to grow post mortem in human corpses- similar here, the ship was "alive". The overall shape looks organic and mechanical. -LV-426 shows atmosphere and plant life where it crashes in Prometheus trailer, which could be an SJ terraforming project gone awry, because in Alien it is a baron, lifeless, desolate planet. -There will be time travel in this movie to make the fossilization theory work. These creatures are ancient and technologically superior, so I say time travel is possible. Could be wrong but it makes sense from what I've seen! Any takers?

If the eggs were indeed cargo, can someone please explain to me 1. Why did the SJ pilot have a chestburster inside him?? Also 2. Why did the signal the Derelict was sending out was apparently more of a steer clear then an SOS?? I mean surely the SJ had bad motives for carrying these eggs around onboard. . .

Snorkel, Concerning canons: the truth is that _as you can read in "Giger´s Alien", for example _ in the original script by O´Bannon the egg chamber was in a pyramid. Cost considerations derailed this idea, and the money managers forced the solution of the egg chamber being an integral part of the derelict _ somewhat the director maybe was unconfortable with, thus the incoherence in the measures. Alas, if you read the script, it has the following revealing words, at the time Kane was descending into the egg chamber: DALLAS (voice over) See anything? KANE No...Tunnel's gone. Cave or something below me. Feels like the goddamn tropics in here... So, Kane thinks he´s in a cave. There are further signals of this: KANE ...high nitrogen content, no oxygen... Still puffing, he releases his purchase on the stone walls. Begins to lower himself on power. See? "Stone walls". Probably a cave beneath the derelict, not a part of it. Finally: I don´t want to quarrel. Just confirming how difficult is to establish what could confortably be considered "canon" here or not.

I think canon should be whatever RS says is canon. Had he been able to make Alien the way he wanted to, then the scene centrosphere posted would be canon as we speak.

I'm a bit behind the times guys so can someone explain what canon means exactly i'm serious i have not heard that expression before. except in historical armoury lol. and cameras lol

Regarding films, literature, comic books, etc., I'd define canon as being the intent of the author/filmmaker who originated a particular concept. Canon in relation to Alien is what is deemed to be true by Ridley Scott. Subsequent films, comics, etc., created by others that expand on the work that Ridley Scott created are arguably not canon, as they are not based on ideas Scott directly conceived. So you can have a comic book series or a novel that takes place in the Alien universe that expands on elements from the film Alien, but if it doesn't have the Ridley Scott seal of approval, it's not canon.

what if the subsequent films have the fox seal of approval or one of the writers Ron Schusett for example or David Giler does that not contradict that theory ? But i understand the principal thanks Jones.

There's a certain degree of artistic vision that factors into the equation. I would say that Aliens is a fine film, but it's a film that James Cameron made. Sure, he used Alien as a springboard, but Cameron developed his own ideas about the alien queen, aliens in a group, and so on. Those were extrapolations made based on the Alien source material, focused through Cameron's mental lens. Had Ridley Scott made Aliens, his film would have, without a doubt, turned out quite different than Cameron's.

@Brego no i'm not stating anything its a stab at dry humour regarding the larder i really don't know its intentions for cocooning the crew. I admit the egg scenario was something i never contemplated its a new concept to me im a fan but it wasn't obvious in the film at the time that it was using the crew to transform into eggs its a new one for me. even if it is in gigers law its just a stretch to far for me but if that's the case so be it. i never really studied the life cycle sequence in detail and neither have the subsequent film as far as that particular area is concerned so its a revelation to me but one i cant say im that sure about. I always thought the xenomorph was driven like all creatures by instinct and like a spider catching its prey it instinctively cocoons it prey for... (in the spiders case) eating later so whatever the reason it cocooned Bret and Dallas its instinctive behaviour. But now it appears that it may well have been transforming bret into a cream egg and Dallas was going to be the proud happy father to yet a second alien had ripley not intervened. i'm ok with that i guess.

Jones, I think you have nailed it. Or almost. One very interesting thing I just realized is that "Alien"´s scrip lacks a Space Jockey! There is a fifteen feet skeleton, but it´s laid outside the ship. So the trouble is: movies are a collective work. If a mere script can diverge of the movie, what´s sacred? :) Maybe the canon is what we see at the silverscreen, point. The problem is that sometimes we are not sure of what we are seeing... bye, C.

Strictly speaking, canon is whatever was written and [i]published[/i] by the original creator. So for instance, whatever Shakespeare wrote is canon - if [i]I[/i] wrote Hamlet Part II, or Romeo and Juliet: Attack of the Clones, or MacBeth Begins, it would not be canon. Similarly, The Terminator and T2 are canon while T3 and Terminator Salvation are not. Having said that, when it comes to film, canon is whatever you want: most people accept the entire Star Trek universe, as is, as canon - even among us, some only hold as canon the work of Ridley Scott while others include Jim cameron, and I'm sure at least 1 among us swears by all 4 alien and 2 avp films. So with respect to film, you have the freedom to make it what you prefer.

I would say Prometheus is inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's novels ....... 2001: Space Odyssey, Prelude to Space etc............

Good one Rick- sounds interesting and plausible.

On a tangent here, but would the Alien Xeno roll on Shabbos? Would it go over the line? Is it only a game? Would the Bar eat him?

here here Mekja-Tek well said couldn't agree more.

[quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Starbeast, that is the best way of putting it, why others are hesitant to accept it is beyond me

I agree , i think it was faded not fossilized. Or possibly maybe the colour difference between the suits we see is the fact that maybe there are two types of Jockeys caught up in a civil war or something... that could also explain why other things look different such as the spaceship crashing. Who knows maybe the one suit we saw in the original alien was one side ,,, who were hell bent on creating some type or bio weapon and destroying worlds and then maybe the other darker suits are against that and want to preserve life Just a thought. This is killing me all this speculation but I love it at the same time.

the fossilazation look is indeed a problem, that would mean it has to be be biological and at least there for millions of years, otherwise it just would fade away. Furthermore, the hole from the chest burster looks fossilized, too. For me, thats what Giger wanted with his design, as he did it with his own hands on the set.

Fossilisation, complete in-to fossilisation I doubt it, not without some sort of sedimentation process followed by an exchange of mineral composition and, considering the chemical composition of the atmosphere of LV426 I mean its a movie people... can only be better then Alien 3 and 4 . the suit is more a fesable theory anyway. Let me guess as to the ending one lone female... Somebody wake up Hicks!