Am I The Only One Who Hopes The Xenomorph Doesn't End Up Becoming Such A Simple

Well, RS has a mind - but the 'guv has a Royal College of Art stroke visually-oriented mind. He's not a brilliant plotter. He's probably thinking 'bomber' because he actually got to live through bombers (born '37). So, yes, if left up to RS, there could be a bomber in the movie. ; ) The superb, crazy ideas in his films came from Dick, or the Peoples, Hjortsberg, or O'Bannon. RS just executes them brilliantly. If the writer is less brilliant, well, let's just say we get a nice looking movie, but, it could be not so mythically great. Here we have Lindelof behind the operation - so think Lost.

::buzzkill:: ie, that's what I'm afraid of

That having been said we are talking about RS who I can only imagine is a perfectionist and control freak so I would doubt that he would allow Lindelof to make anything as fluffy and full of holes as Lost... it's still RS's name on the line here.

If this movie is a prequel to the prequel of Alien, it's very possible that the crew of the Prometheus wont even make the xeno that we all know. I'm going to guess that there are many different Space Jockey's out there. Maybe we're just going to get an understanding on how the Alien could have been created, in the sense that this green goo can be used to create or mutate species in the universe. Maybe the Space Jockey from the original Alien injected some asexual species from some planet that laid eggs, and what would come out of the egg would be the same thing. Then a face hugger came out and latched on to his face, killing him. This could be why Ripley in the original Alien started to decipher the message from the derelict as a "warning" rather than a distress signal. The Jockey may have been warning his friends to stay away because he created something real bad that he didn't expect and couldn't control?

SILICA Yes. I logged off and logged back on because I just had to second Silica. I was thinking about the Scott films I worship (mainly the first four) and like (Black Rain, Matchstick Men, BHD) and for the most part, the writing is key. Duellists is based on a Balzac story, or Flaubert, one of them, Alien is O'Bannon and Company, Blade Runner from a Philly K Dick story . . . Scott is a great director when he has a great writer to bounce from. Otherwise, well, I ain't counting the days till i see Russell Crowe in a vineyard somewhere. Or Tom Berenger watching over me. Now, I can go to sleep.

: ) Yeah, I don't think his career will be destroyed if it's not great. I mean, for me, Blade Runner is possibly the greatest film ever made - at least as far as 'plot meets visuals' is concerned - what a film as a film could aspire to be. (And obviously I loved Alien, Legend and a host of his other stuff) So I respect what RS can do and his place in history is assured.

"I think the Space Jockey is actually the pilot, and he’s part of this military operation – if that’s the word you can apply to his world, and therefore this is probably some kind of carrier, a weapon carrier, a biological or biomechanoid carrier of lethal eggs, inside of which are these small creatures which will actually fundamentally integrate in a very aggressive way into any society or any place they’re dropped." –Commentary from Alien DVD of Quadrilogy Set (2003)

[b]I WANT TO START OFF BY SIMPLY SAYING THAT I LOVE THE WEAPON IDEA BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED BY TWO MEN... RIDLEY SCOTT AND H R GIGER[/b] @AlsoKnownAsNate Wrote--->[quote]....because I think the 'weapon origin' idea wreaks of fan boy creativity and even less of originality.... ....also, can we stop stating this idea as fact? ...the newbies and laments are starting to think this is true....and of course it's not only too easy of a direction to take, BUT also not very interesting, in my humble opinion, anyways.... I welcome original "outside the box" ideas....[/quote] -------------------------------------------------- My honest and humble opinion is I disagree 100% entirely and completely and as well, think this sentence, "origin' idea wreaks of fan boy creativity and even less of originality"....came off sounding like really really bad...to me at least, my original thought to tell ya the truth was really nasty. So I guess you provoked a reaction from me. I am a very creative and original idea loving guy myself and think the XENOMORPH in and off itself as it was intended and created to be is not "fanboy" or "unoriginal" or "lacking in any way in creativity or orginality" what so ever and further it is IMO incredIbly interesting and makes perfect sense and is the way it IS/was/will be and was in it's very origin intended to be. I also think people that throw around words like "Fanboy" and Newbie" while simultaneously initiating objectives that are IMO misplaced to begin to a public community at large, are deliberately attempting to provoke a reaction in me. Hey you asked for it so I gave it to you ! That's the truth, exactly how I feel about your post and your inviting my ideas about it. [b]Sorry !!![/b] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/sorry.gif[/img]

Nate, it possibly originated from Ripley's line in Alien as well as some hint from RS: Ripley herself says 'they must've wanted the Alien for the weapons division' when they confront the decapitated Ash. But me, I loathe the idea of them being a weapon and a 'clean-up' thingie. Reeks of war, guns and Cameron. As Nate says, I go with the more insidious and perverse genesis idea along with the companion theory of egg-morphing. A 'happy accident' is more appealing.

@ Spartacus I agree Nate could have been more politic, but i can too usually. I will say, though, that you are just wrong about the weapons thing being the way it was always intended. Read O'Bannon's original script and nowhere is the alien as weapon of some higher race even hinted. In fact, it is pretty clear that the way it was originally intended was that the signal was sent from the space jockey that landed on the planet (bad luck) and happened upon a pyramid belonging to an entirely different race that worshiped the alien. Whether or not the worshipers were still around or not is a bit unclear. And even in the Giler/Hill rewrite, Ash describes the SJs as a noble race that tried to warn others away. Scott is talking about his opinion that formed sometime during or even after filming. So it is going way too far to say that is how they were always meant, as weapons.

"I think perhaps the xeno's were an accidental creation... something that the crew of the prometheus did while messing around with the SJ's biological materials... hmmmmm." Yep, exactly what i'm thinking. Simply because revolving an entire FRANCHISE around some mindless Aliens just isn't deep...And/or significant. I believe Alien and all related movies (let's just say the first one, to be honest...Because the remaining three were pointless; except Aliens...I'll give it some credit for trying) were simply a preamble to Prometheus... The Xenos were the opening for the true story, here. I think they'll be featured in future movies; if Prometheus spawns more, which it most likely will. They will be there just for the sake of being there :D. Simple as that. It's exactly why i started that thread of mine with the ridiculously long OP. I believed the Predators/AVP was the only thing going for The Xenomorphs specifically. If you're going to make a movie about them SPECIFICALLY...Well, good luck. It's like centralizing a movie around...I don't know, something arbitrary in another movie universe... Can't think of anything. But you get the point. It's not complex/deep/thorough enough to make a movie exclusively about the Xenos. I can't wait to see the Space Jocks...OOOOOOOHHHHHH, MAN!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done. Etc. Must add that "Word" is a translation for the hebrew "wisdom" or the greek "logos", meaning reason. I don't intend to propose an exhaustive solution. But maybe the goo taken from the urns has the capacity to materialize the thoughts, emotions, desires and - most important - fears of an intelligent being, to turn thought into matter. The urns are placed around a stone head, meaning that they are inactive because the stone head symbolizes the absence of thoughts, desire, etc... But then intelligent (human) beings come near the urns. The wall with the shifting images is a detector/indicator of psychological operations. The mural reproduces representations of the human visitor's fears, emotions, imagination, subconscient. The telescope from the space jokey's chair is actualy a tool used by him to channel and project at long distances his reason and desire in order to terraform, create life, materialize through goo a rational order of things. But humans are not so disciplined and able to control their thoughts and emotions as the Engineers. As they are on an alien planet and because their lack of knowledge, humans' psychic is dominated by fears and thoughts of terrifiying creatures., a disturbed imagination amplified by a surrounding that is unfamiliar to them. Hence an alien is born, bearing characteristics which appear to correspond to man's most repressed fears and representations: the chestburster is a phallic creature, the facehugger "rapes" and impregnates women and men alike, its blood is all-consuming, the two mouths makes it all-devouring, its lack of eyes suggests the lack of sole, etc.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done." Must add that "Word" is a translation for the hebrew "wisdom" or the greek "logos", meaning reason. Maybe the goo from the urns has the capacity to materialize the thoughts, emotions, desires, fears of an intelligent being, turning these into matter. The telescope from the SJ chair is a tool used by him to channel and project at long distances his reason and desire in order to terraform, create life, materialize the goo in a rational order of things. The urns are placed around a stone head, meaning that they are inactive as the stone head symbolizes the absence of thoughts, desires, etc. But then intelligent (human) beings come near the urns. The wall with the shifting images is a detector/indicator of their psychological operations. The mural reproduces representations of the humans' fears, emotions, imagination. But humans are not so disciplined and able to control their thoughts and emotions as the SJs. On an alien planet, because their lack of knowledge, humans' psychic is dominated by fears and thoughts of terrifiying creatures, a disturbed imagination amplified by a surrounding unfamiliar to them. Hence an alien is born, bearing corresponding to man's most repressed fears and representations: the chestburster is a phallic creature, the facehugger "rapes" and impregnates, its blood is all-consuming, the two moths makes it all-devouring, the lack of eyes means it has no soul etc.

Note: There has also been a previous discussion on whether they would actually even make a good weapon: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2534 I too hope that story-line goes in a different direction...

I was waiting for the day Spartacus would come and write some of his ridiculousness on one of my discussion.... I've been watching this dude write such horribly ignorant opinions on so many other peoples discussion for so long now..... You're a troll by every definition of the slang term

@Prenihility I totally agree with your chain of reasoning

The way the urns are set up almost as if they are "praying to" or worshipping the big face. Obviously, there is a power dynamic meant to be implied as between the urns/jars/eggs whatever, and the face of who we assume is the SJ. This isn't necessarily the way one thinks of weapons. (Of course, we have another still where the urns/shells are packed sky high in columns... almost like ordnance ready to go...but lets lay that aside for a sec) Furthermore, that subject/master or creations/god motif is reflected on the roof/mural of this particular chapel (if you want to call it that) - it shows the god in light almost hovering above its creation (maybe even patting it on the head), which appears bent forward either in fear or homage. Much the same way the earth cave painting reflected our relationship to them (we are all kneeling in that painting except for the taller figure towering above us and pointing to the stars). The xenos do reproduce like a virus on a large scale...they need living cells and can't go very far without them. Agent Smith certainly called us a virus, too. ;op Are the urns weapons that pray to their god? Or maybe the problem comes from these advanced beings thinking they are gods in the first place....and maybe they don't like competition. heh

The Book of Alien discussed one notion of it being a bio-weapon, along with other speculation from Ridley and company. However it wasn't definitive. They alluded to them being intelligent (and that being basically raised up in the cargo-hold of a ship, it was savage, because in effect, it was uncivilized and was ignorant), some thoughts on the SJ being the same species (their own kind) as an alternative to the bio-weapon and so on. It wasn't detailed in depth, more of general thoughts on what the Xenomorph might be so it's hardly definitive. That being said I can't say as I mind that, but I expect we may see something a bit more complicated. That they might be intended as a bio-weapon (given the life-cycle they certainly are adept at killing, never mind adaptable) doesn't bother me. An artificial means of origin actually seemed more original to me back then, than some naturally occurring species. However, would I mind something else being at route like what's been discussed? Not at all. Just don't get all high and mighty about quotes on this until you get a copy of the Book of Alien. It's been in circulation for some time. The bio-weapon possibility has been floating around for quite a while but I guess we'll see come Prometheus what route they go.

I have posted the passage several times from Ridley Scott who says " "I have always thought of the Xenomorph" as a weapon, their ship {The Jockeys} as a Bomber and the Eggs are the Space Jockey's cargo" HOW MUCH PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED? and that quote is from memory, the original is in alien vault as well {I think} and is almost identicle to what i posted!!!

and i just had another really insightful thing to say about all this.... what the hell else is a creature that looks like that and does what it does, and that bleeds acid going to be used for/as ..Just What else exactly?...a modeling or talent scout...?...a Fireman?...a Clothing Mfg. I mean come on what the hell seriously people?