Am I The Only One Who Hopes The Xenomorph Doesn't End Up Becoming Such A Simple

"I think perhaps the xeno's were an accidental creation... something that the crew of the prometheus did while messing around with the SJ's biological materials... hmmmmm." Yep, exactly what i'm thinking. Simply because revolving an entire FRANCHISE around some mindless Aliens just isn't deep...And/or significant. I believe Alien and all related movies (let's just say the first one, to be honest...Because the remaining three were pointless; except Aliens...I'll give it some credit for trying) were simply a preamble to Prometheus... The Xenos were the opening for the true story, here. I think they'll be featured in future movies; if Prometheus spawns more, which it most likely will. They will be there just for the sake of being there :D. Simple as that. It's exactly why i started that thread of mine with the ridiculously long OP. I believed the Predators/AVP was the only thing going for The Xenomorphs specifically. If you're going to make a movie about them SPECIFICALLY...Well, good luck. It's like centralizing a movie around...I don't know, something arbitrary in another movie universe... Can't think of anything. But you get the point. It's not complex/deep/thorough enough to make a movie exclusively about the Xenos. I can't wait to see the Space Jocks...OOOOOOOHHHHHH, MAN!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done." Must add that "Word" is a translation for the hebrew "wisdom" or the greek "logos", meaning reason. Maybe the goo from the urns has the capacity to materialize the thoughts, emotions, desires, fears of an intelligent being, turning these into matter. The telescope from the SJ chair is a tool used by him to channel and project at long distances his reason and desire in order to terraform, create life, materialize the goo in a rational order of things. The urns are placed around a stone head, meaning that they are inactive as the stone head symbolizes the absence of thoughts, desires, etc. But then intelligent (human) beings come near the urns. The wall with the shifting images is a detector/indicator of their psychological operations. The mural reproduces representations of the humans' fears, emotions, imagination. But humans are not so disciplined and able to control their thoughts and emotions as the SJs. On an alien planet, because their lack of knowledge, humans' psychic is dominated by fears and thoughts of terrifiying creatures, a disturbed imagination amplified by a surrounding unfamiliar to them. Hence an alien is born, bearing corresponding to man's most repressed fears and representations: the chestburster is a phallic creature, the facehugger "rapes" and impregnates, its blood is all-consuming, the two moths makes it all-devouring, the lack of eyes means it has no soul etc.

Note: There has also been a previous discussion on whether they would actually even make a good weapon: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2534 I too hope that story-line goes in a different direction...

I was waiting for the day Spartacus would come and write some of his ridiculousness on one of my discussion.... I've been watching this dude write such horribly ignorant opinions on so many other peoples discussion for so long now..... You're a troll by every definition of the slang term

@Prenihility I totally agree with your chain of reasoning

The way the urns are set up almost as if they are "praying to" or worshipping the big face. Obviously, there is a power dynamic meant to be implied as between the urns/jars/eggs whatever, and the face of who we assume is the SJ. This isn't necessarily the way one thinks of weapons. (Of course, we have another still where the urns/shells are packed sky high in columns... almost like ordnance ready to go...but lets lay that aside for a sec) Furthermore, that subject/master or creations/god motif is reflected on the roof/mural of this particular chapel (if you want to call it that) - it shows the god in light almost hovering above its creation (maybe even patting it on the head), which appears bent forward either in fear or homage. Much the same way the earth cave painting reflected our relationship to them (we are all kneeling in that painting except for the taller figure towering above us and pointing to the stars). The xenos do reproduce like a virus on a large scale...they need living cells and can't go very far without them. Agent Smith certainly called us a virus, too. ;op Are the urns weapons that pray to their god? Or maybe the problem comes from these advanced beings thinking they are gods in the first place....and maybe they don't like competition. heh

The Book of Alien discussed one notion of it being a bio-weapon, along with other speculation from Ridley and company. However it wasn't definitive. They alluded to them being intelligent (and that being basically raised up in the cargo-hold of a ship, it was savage, because in effect, it was uncivilized and was ignorant), some thoughts on the SJ being the same species (their own kind) as an alternative to the bio-weapon and so on. It wasn't detailed in depth, more of general thoughts on what the Xenomorph might be so it's hardly definitive. That being said I can't say as I mind that, but I expect we may see something a bit more complicated. That they might be intended as a bio-weapon (given the life-cycle they certainly are adept at killing, never mind adaptable) doesn't bother me. An artificial means of origin actually seemed more original to me back then, than some naturally occurring species. However, would I mind something else being at route like what's been discussed? Not at all. Just don't get all high and mighty about quotes on this until you get a copy of the Book of Alien. It's been in circulation for some time. The bio-weapon possibility has been floating around for quite a while but I guess we'll see come Prometheus what route they go.

I have posted the passage several times from Ridley Scott who says " "I have always thought of the Xenomorph" as a weapon, their ship {The Jockeys} as a Bomber and the Eggs are the Space Jockey's cargo" HOW MUCH PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED? and that quote is from memory, the original is in alien vault as well {I think} and is almost identicle to what i posted!!!

and i just had another really insightful thing to say about all this.... what the hell else is a creature that looks like that and does what it does, and that bleeds acid going to be used for/as ..Just What else exactly?...a modeling or talent scout...?...a Fireman?...a Clothing Mfg. I mean come on what the hell seriously people?

@ Creed yes, I remember taking part in that discussion. I suppose they [i]could[/i] be a useful weapon but I doubt they very much would be. I agree with Prenihility all the way. The xenos were interesting for the original and I would go further that for mainstream audiences, Aliens was the next logical step in the series, one was bad but thousands against a small band of people? After that, the idea was ready for bed. Time to get back to that other alien. Xenos one earth would probably last about as long as AVP:Requiem did at the box office. There are just too many of us. And once their existence was known, it would be pretty easy to wipe them out. The whole acid for blood thing is only effective on a spaceship. @Moebius Pi Scott's quotes sound more like his preference, not just speculation. He may not go that route and I hope he doesn't but the bit I cited from the 1999 DVD and Craigamore cited sound stronger than just wondering. However, you are right I think in making sure we don't jump to assumptions.

Its primary purpose according to Scott was TERRA-FORMING and I for one do not buy into the argument that once they were discovered we could just wipe them out, not the way I see that, if enough of them were dropped on one concentrated area, say one where Nukes were stashed I would not give long for this EARTH

Personally I have always hated the idea of the Xeno being a bio-weapon... at least from the standpoint of it being deliberately being created by the ENGINEERS. Just seems so lame... We are talking about a race that has been travelling the entire width of the known Universe for Milenia and can manipulte LIFE itself right down the molecular level. It would just seem that there could be so many ways of getting rid of something on a more global scale then them acting as an incubator for 1 single life form. Could they in fact still end up being acknowledged as a Bio-Weapon from what we end up seeing in Prometeus?... Sure, very possible. But I would put my money on it being a "weapon" that came about from something WEYLAND puts in motion.. As his way of cleaning up one specific species.. HUMANS on Earth.. So that he could wipe that slate clean and start again with his NEW version of us, based on his ideas of biological perfection.. With of course he being the Master Ruler at the very top.

i agree and think this all being Company driven as you say Phil.

Seriously Spartacus, Seriously? What, humans are so stupid that after the first few are facehugged, we would still be dumb enough to go and poke around some eggs? And what do nukes have to do with anything? Would the xenos somehow get control of the bomb? Would we have to profile xenos and make sure they don't board airplanes? The primary worry about damaging xenos is the acid. Something having very little if no point on earth. Dropping the eggs on a site where nukes were stashed would not change anything. Now maybe if we want to wipe out a small town in East Nowhere Alaska, maybe. But wiping out the entire human population? And I suggest you read my citation. Scott's idea for them as a weapon is as strong as any idea of terraforming. Not that terraforming isn't as big and idea, but certainly not more primary.

Weyland wanting them as a weapon is one thing. The Sjs is another.

@dallas!dallas! with regard to my comment about "nukes" someone said earlier in the thread that they DOUBT HIGHLY that The Xenomorph species could wipe out the earth. If you had read that you would know that it was what I was responding to...in any case IMO even just 2 or 3 Xenomorphs could wipe out the earth by gaining access to any of our wonderful Nuclear facilities here on this incredibly safe and secure planet of ours. It was CLEARLY a hypothesis in answer to the comment that was made that they would make a Bad Weapon, I disagree and think they would make a most efficient weapon. Also Dude I went back and read all of your comments and quite frankly I am NOT wrong, I am in fact quite RIGHT, and Scott Himself lumped the two together saying...oh and he said all this in JULY, of THIS PAST YEAR. “… I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original ‘Alien’. It’s fairly pure. And ['Prometheus'] does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one [ie. the 'Alien' xenomorph] – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?”

Bump for dallas!dallas!

I don't like the idea very much either. Hey I'm new here, and I recently got hook on Alien, but did Ridley say that they were weapons and that the Derelect was a bomber? I think that mabey they were sending the eggs for destruction or relocation, and then the Prometheus crew screws everything up.

And yeah, they could most definetly destroy an entire planet

I think the initial conceit inherent in the statement is naive and redundant. Much depends on the [i]nature[/i] of the weapon, the weapon's nature, of what it is capable, and in which context it is deployed. All of that can be retro-fitted to, or instead of, what we have come to understand of the nature of xenomorph - and that position, (where we are confident that we understand the nature of the xenomorph, by association), is what Ridley Scott has indicated he does not want to return to. A "weapon", is far from a necessarily a "boring" concept - this suggestion is ridiculous. A weapon that we already know, might be - but whose to say that is what we get? Perhaps it is you who needs to determine whether they are in a box.

I'd always thought that the derelict, space jockey and eggs found in ALIEN are from ages ago; the creepy part is how could something so old still be alive or ready to attack. However if it is a weapon or accident is irrelevant; because wherever they were taking those eggs, ampules or whatever you wanna call them, it was not intended to be a birthday present.....................maybe. For me is far more interesting that the xenomorph species remains in certain mystery. Like the things that have been discussed before; how intelligent are they, how does their life cylce ends, etc. everybody wants to speculate and know the whole truth about them, but if that happens the fun ends. I think the film will provide some clues and even answer some questions, but still the movie is not about xenomorphs; like Ridley said is a thing of the past.

@spartacus I know that is what you are responding to. That is what we are all responding to. And that is your nuke theory? Two or three in a nuclear facility would destroy the world? Now that is funny. Or are the xenos going to launch an airstrike on the US from a weapons site? Oh, it must be one of those kiddie games you play, Alien vs Boy Scouts. Also, terra-forming and using the xenos as a weapon can be lumped together, but using them in some kind of intergalactic war, dude, is something else entirely. No bumps, no scratches, no bruises, dude.

Oh, and Sparty ole boy, just point out to me the section in O'Bannon's script or even the rewrite that hints at xenos being created by the SJs or someone else for use as weapons. If you like Scott's idea fine, but that is not how they were originally envisioned.

why don't you enlighten me on how they were envisioned, envisioned by whom? Giger? cause that's who made them, Scott created the idea for Alien...clearly created it, as he himself said clearly a thousand times and as recently as this past July. What part of this are you having a hard time with? read it again... I said nothing of the script... you are deliberately attempting to goad me and I will not bite and I stick by the courage of my conviction because I know what I am talking about and confident IN IT'S VALIDITY...HERE IT IS AGAIN...read it...also...This is about the argument made that the Xenomorph as a Weapon is a bad idea and lacks creativity and originality which I still find completely rediculous but keep arguing this with me if you like... "Ridley Scott-->"I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first 'Alien'] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?”

i figure since its ridleys idea he can make their origin whatever the hell he wants. i dont really care what they are, im just huge on "WHY?". my bf knows i hate movies that dont explain "why". they can be trashy b-movies and i love them as long as they explain everything in the movie, even if the explination is really stupid. i just want to know more about the xenos origin. i wouldnt care if it was an accidental outcome of mutations and contaminations, an engenered weapon, a natural indiginous species to a planet, so on. i just wanna know. i do think they seem a bit more then just an engenered weapon. it has a life cycle that doesnt include mating so it doesnt seem efficient for the original alien to have mated with lambert. if it was a perfect killing machine thats just an unessesary waste of time and didnt need to do that to her. i just think there is more to this creature then that. unless that is how it turns humans into eggs. maybe it rapes all of them to inject something that changes their DNA.... but they didnt want to hint twards the male characters getting it in the bum. that was probably still a bit to risque for a scifi in 79.

Their duration/Lifespan as stated by Ridley Scott and as is MADE CLEAR in Alien Vault was 4 Days...thats it, the Xeno Ripley encountered aboard the Narcicus had gone in there to find the darkest spot to die in at the end of it's 4 day Life. 4 days.... A Weapon, "Tha Tha Tha Tha Tha That's All Folks" !!!

Using the aliens as "planetary cleanup" seems pretty stupid for a spacefaring species. They kind of suck as weapons. They only kill creatures that are a certain size and stupid enough to put their faces in front of an opening egg. If you want to sterilize a planet, why not using nanomachines or neutron bombs? Shit, with the technology that we have today we could clean up a planet much more efficiently than by using a bunch of drooling, creepy monsters.

a rapist weapon..... those sicko engineers!! its got 4 days and it has to go bugger someone when it doesnt need to.

Spartacus, Saying that the xenos were conceived as weapons from the beginning and that Scott had the idea from the beginning are two separate things. yes, we know Scott thinks of them as weapons, I was the first one on this thread to inform the OP if you bothered to read it, which you claim to have done. But while Scott and Giger may have designed the xeno, they did not create the story or the script. It's that simple. That is all I am saying. Along with your nuclear sabotage idea being bonkers but that is just subjective.

@ takka well us humans cant stop spreading diseases so maybe they need to ship us as weapons to planets and we can cough on all the life forms.