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Zedwardson
MemberOvomorphJune 09, 2012Right before they go out to the temple for the third time, and when I was watching for it, it is revealed that David programming makes him "Free" as soon as Mr Wayland dies. In the chamber, the Engineer only gets distressed, when Shaw is abused, then David says his bit.
Did David decide to kill his parent?
June 09, 2012
In interviews Fassbender makes it seem like he said what Weyland wanted him to but to the Engineer it was like the buzzing of a fly that needed to be swatted. I think he was not so much concerned as intrigued when Shaw was hit. It is like waking up from a nap to see a bunch of flies buzzing around and two of them are fighting.
June 09, 2012
I was wondering that too. Because David is seen as Mr. Weyland's assistant, or slave if you will with washing his nasty feet and all (closeup given in film). I was thinking that David may have stated something to the engineer to encourage him to kill the humans. Because the engineer was at first ill, then looked around to see the others and then David spoke to it at Mr. Weylands instance, and then the engineer went crazy and ripped his head off, and attacked the others. I wonder what David said to him?
June 09, 2012
Hello all,
What David said was immaterial. The engineer viewed them as worthless. It's important to remember that these guys were going to deliver a reckoning on the earth. So seeing these humans on his ship was no doubt a surprise and a nuisance.
June 09, 2012
It's such a stupid scene designed to create a 'mystery'....a premeditated decision not to subtitle. to give any context as if this is far superior to actually communicating to your audience unambiguous storytelling and narrative. this is the Lindeloff way...Hollywood, and you, will get very tired of it soon...the truth is, and this is what Lindeloff will say to you, the answer is whatever you want it to be, you fill in the gaps. And there are many other 'information gaps' and plot holes, and that's meant to be clever is it? Only when the answer to these puzzles arrive at a single truth...that's very fulfilling for an audience to discover for themselves (Michael Haneke is the master of this...watch every one of his films to see how it's properly executed)...this is 5th grade in comparison, it just pisses most people off and profoundly pretentious
June 09, 2012
I agree that it is VERY pretentious. The whole attitude he took to the script is shoddy and pretentious.
David has no way of knowing that the Engineer wouldn't kill him along with everyone else. And if he's free to disobey Weyland, by translating something other than what he's asked to translate, why would Weyland have to die for David to be free?
Perhaps you think he hoped it would treat him differently because he wasn't an irrational human, and he considered them to be a 'superior species' . And he was happy when it touched his hair.
Also, the engineer probably would have killed them regardless, for it's own reasons... probably relating to religion (tower of Babel, aspiring to reach heaven.... etc. ) do you see it as significant that Weyland gets his feet appointed and wears white robes, to "meet his maker" : ) and his "maker" sees and Android, - a creation of a creation, and kills Weyland by belting him with David's head.
I see a lot of subtle digs at religion in this film.
June 09, 2012
I don't see pretension in this scene.
I think that some people are looking too hard for clean technical edges where there are intended to be none.
Who wants to get into an exploration of translation in the moment when it becomes apparent that the engineer is out to destroy mankind? The purpose of the scene is not to piddle with technicalities, but to materialize the imminent doom.
The engineer observes David, realizes what he is, and wastes no time discussing with the insignificant humans why he is going to kill them.
June 09, 2012
The movie was written by the same people who wrote darkest our and lost
lost was probably the worst tv show in the history of tv, i think. it was horrible, and explained nothing which could be the vibe in this movie.
but back to topic, david could have insulted the engineer. definitely an interesting theory to look at.
June 09, 2012
I like stories with a beginning, an end and some smart stuff between. With Prometheus, they probably took the script, shot at it with a shotgun and said, good, we'll make a movie out of this. The viewers will go crazy to find out, what's in the missing parts...
June 09, 2012
David did not insult the Engineer. There is no precedent for outright duplicity of that kind with androids in the series. Even Ash was following direct orders in the original Alien film.
The Engineers spent millions of years engineering organisms and bio-mechanical constructs. The engineer was insulted by what it perceived as an inferior "forgery" of his work.
However, if you remember an Engineer was accidentally decapitated by a door when running from a proto-xenomorph (as documented in the holographic record). When the sleeper tears off the android's head (out of disgust), the android survives.
To me this seemed to suggest that the near-perfect creator, created imperfect humans, which created synthetic humans which are more perfect than both.
June 10, 2012
Allright, how do people get the notion that the Engineer was disappointing with the fact that David's an android?
How the hell could he have known? What was a dead giveaway that he was an android?
Unless the Engineers have an extreme connection to nature, and just have a very thorough feel for things such as that. Maybe he felt that he wasn't human, much like animals can detect things?
I have no idea. But it seems like wild speculation, honestly.