shaw's c-section - WTF

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MemberOvomorphJune 11, 20123570 Views16 RepliesFirst, how did Shaw gain access to Vickers' medpod room when she needed the c-section? The whole crew had badge access to her luxurious personal escape pod?
Second, was Vickers actually a man? I'd imagine we'd hear of that from the captain first.. So if she's a woman why did she have a med pod installed that was only programmed to operate on male subjects??
June 11, 2012
The Caesarean scene, while very suspenseful, was not necessary. I wish they would have just killed the girl and had the facehugger attack the engineer inside the alien craft.
June 11, 2012
Did the IQ here suddenly drop off? Shaw was being prepared to be delivered back to Earth wt squidy inside her for the company...she was already in the lifeboat section. The Medpod was for Weyland. If you have zero comprehension then say nothing and go see the Avengers!
June 11, 2012
@dave_b
your IQ would surely be in jeopardy here! they could have put her on ice as soon as fassbender (David) sedated her and forgone the fight with the 2 other medical officers (for lack of having any real insight into those characters) and been a done deal. to drive this inane "plot" (again, for lack of a better word) they resuscitate her and she fights her way - in pain - with no pursuit and very little resistance to the med-pod. they should have killed her in the medpod (as suggested above) and moved to have vickers as the heroin (which there was none in this movie) save her own ass and get off the planet with the aid of david. launch the engineers own bioweapons at the engineers and kill off their race and this putrid story-line!
June 11, 2012
Her [i]Private Quarters[/i], were not secured.
[Why? Uhmm........].
As @Frantz says, the medpod was not Vickers, it was for Weyland.
[Why was it in her quarters, then when it's only programmed for men?
Uhmm.........
Why....is it programmed only for men, at all?
What kind of machine would that make it?
How much more difficult would it be to have it programmed for a woman, even if a woman was never, ever likely to use it - she'd still be a human, after all?
You never hear a surgeon saying, "Oh my God! Oh, no, no, no - I can't operate on this one - because [i]I don't do women...[/i]"
Or..so, what - if you might ever need it for both men and women, then you have to buy [i]two?[/i]....
Uhmm..........]
June 11, 2012
I hate to say this, and I want to join in the debate, but, "We might have to wait for the sequel," to really understand what's going on.
And I hope this time Lostelof has an EXIT STRATEGY for his enigma-maze.
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June 11, 2012
@FreePlanet
Interesting.
I lean toward the view that the film that requires a sequel to give it actual sense, is like the joke that needs an explanation for its punchline.
June 11, 2012
@ daveb (and anyone)
i've asked this before and haven't seen it answered yet:
is there anything in the film that suggests Wayland Corp gave any type of orders to bring back a specimen?
several people keep bringing up how "The COMPANY requires a SPECIMEN for their BIO-WEAPONS DIV!"
did i pass out for a portion of Prometheus when this was stated? Or is everyone just assuming that Prometheus has to follow the [i]exact same plot as A1-AR????[/i]
June 11, 2012
Did anybody have a problem with the fact that after having her entire abdomen sliced open she got up and ran out of the room? Ridley sets up this whole world of sci-fi (quest for truth)/believability/realism and then we see Shaw running around after a couple of injections. Not to mention that we have a spaceship and robot medpods with frickin' laserbeams and she gets stitched up with.. staples? Other than that, loved this whole thing and it's generally a forgivable issue - I'm just wondering if anyone else had a problem with that?
@ aliceayers I got the impression that David 8 was operating under direct orders to retrieve all kinds of stuff (orders from Weyland). If you notice, he just kept picking up stuff and bringing it back to the ship without really telling anyone or listening to anyone else. He brought that egg pod to the medlab and froze it (which he later infected Holloway with).
June 11, 2012
I was massively dissapointed by the medpod scene. Shouldn't an automated operating room/surgeon/anesthesia machine look a little more sophisticated than a coin operated arcade toy? A modern DaVinci robot looks better than that thing (and the DaVinici should be ancient technology). geez
June 11, 2012
@ aliceayers
yes, in both Alien and Aliens it is explicitly shown that Weyland Corp. wants live samples to come back.
in Alien, the science officer (who is also a robot) is given instructions from back home that are for his eyes only. once Ripley gains control over the ship she forces the instructions from Mother - "Priority one. Insure return of any organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable."
in Aliens, Carter Burke attempts to return home with an impregnate Ripley (and Newt as well) by a facehugger attack. When Ripley figures this out she explains to the rest of the crew that Burke was going to kill them off so he can make up any story he wants when they return home and that way he gets the living sample passed the quarantine check and successfully smuggle it in.
i think it's pretty clear that Weyland Corp. has a serious desire to get a specimen back home.
your point is valid that this movie does not HAVE to follow the previous movies, but it seems foolish to assume that since Ridley Scott did the original Alien and it was still a theme there, that he would scrap that entire concept of the company's motives, especially considering Weyland himself was in this movie.
on another note - a lot of people seem to have a problem understanding David's character. i've read numerous reviews and blogs and say his characters has conflicting motivations or seemingly random motives altogether. i never once thought this. It seems obvious to me that David's "motives" are essentially his programming. this seems clear through the film. David even states in Prometheus that he would be essentially free to make his own choices when his creator dies (or something along those lines). David has that sly evil about him in the film. and that's because he's taking orders from Weyland the whole time, UNTIL Weyland actually dies. then he chooses to help Shaw. but until that time, he's following his "father's" instructions. we even see him doing a sort of mind meld thing with him at some point while Weyland is in stasis (when he has that orange visor thing on and he's talking to him" and then Vicker's confronts him - "I want to know what he said"
to me i read this as a clear sign that Weyland told him to do anything he had to so that they could return with a live specimen. the motives, while not EXPLICITLY stated in Prometheus as they were in Alien and Aliens, is still there i believe.
June 11, 2012
Shaw being back on her legs and walking after having been sliced and stapled was my WTF moment. But looking at Noomi's fit shape in the subsequent scene made me completely forget about the issue.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
June 11, 2012
i still disagree that David was acting under orders to bring back a specimen.
i was actually relieved that this film didn't follow the same "man vs. alien vs. THE COMPANY" formula that all the other films followed. zzzzzzzzzz
David's character, to me, exhibited many signs of possessing a higher degree of free will than we would expect from an android. we know he had orders to arrange a meeting between Weyland and the Engineers. we know that when he told Weyland this contact would be impossible since all the Engineers appeared to be dead and Weyland responded with "TRY HARDER"
almost immediately afterwards, David exposes Holloway to the black goo organism, Shaw is impregnated w/ the alien, etc etc etc.
This is all very much easily interpreted as David "trying harder" to facilitate contact between Weyland and a higher being.
i know it's a small gripe, but i really believe that the "evil corporation" angle was purposely written OUT of this film.
Prometheus is a story about creation, not destruction. Weyland wants to meet his creator and beg for more life, not steal it. David is running around "stealing samples" because he needs to bring them to Weyland, not back to Earth.
Weyland owns a trillion dollar enterprise and has SECRETELY commissioned this trip. It is not his corporation's trip. Some of the crew are not even aware of the purpose of the trip (the geologists/biologists wake up and have to be briefed - - they don't even know why they were hired!)
In every other film, it was the same formula: crew is there for specific mission; plot twist omg: specific mission is overridden by Company's nefarious mission!!
this is the only film where the plot twist was not so nefarious and also nearly matched the original mission: secret crew assembled for secret privately funded mission, crew finds out it's to investigate the origins of life, plot twist omg: mission funder is alive and wants to be healed!
not everything has to be about "nefarious company wants to destroy the world" :)
June 11, 2012
@mottsawce: the staples WERE hilarious.
hi tech laser beams slice and cauterize your wounds!
we stitch you up with carpentry staples!
whaa?
i also didn't really mind that this was apparently a walk-in walk-out surgery. whatevs.
my biggest WTF moment was:
why build up suspense at Shaw being held captive (David sedates her! She has to bludgeon her way out of the room!) if only to have that suspense evaporate when she finally stumbles upon her captives again later?
they just looked at her like "oh hai" and carried on.
(ps: this exchange further supports that there were NO secret plans to carryback a specimen. david hardly blinked an eye at her obvious abortion)