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Yea, I think I would enjoy a Rob Zombie show. So, Rob Zombie just had some girls dancing on stage? That is his style though, so I wouldn't throw that pass him. I've seen some videos showing pieces of his live performances on youtube. They seem to be fun.
One of my favorite bands about 12 years ago was Powerman 5000. The lead singer is the brother of Rob Zombie. Powerman 5000 is more of a hard rock, punk kind of music today, but they really changed up their styles on their first few albums.
It would be an awesome scene in the movie:
ScorpioStar - You're welcome! Indeed, incredible works! I would like to see these carved space rocks in the Alien Covenant sequel.
Simply AMAZING! And I loved the fierce expressions!
Thanks, Ati!
Gordon Ramsay took a tour of David's kitchen. Didn't end very well.
If you know about who Gordon is talking.
Another reason why David started hating humans.
That's when David stopped with cooking and started working on the perfect killing machine.
No, I don't trust Blomkamp as a director and with all my love to Sigourney and Ripley it all looks like a kind of necrophilia.
Also I don't like that a plot disrespects Alien3 and Resurrection.
What I want to see - a true sequel to Prometheus which will expand the Universe of the franchise and won't use hackneyed cliches.
@MonsterZero
I don't know anything about drones, but you should see our babies... They're so small and smart and so HUNGRY! They eat anything and everything all the time! Then again, how can you expect infants to grow huge and strong and smart if they don't eat?
dk 100% agreed, Characters are key. I emphasised challenged above because boring characters that learn nothing after a movie/series are pointless. Its harder with film due to limited run time, but when you have a bunch of characters that have a range of perspectives, morale alignments, judgement/prejudices, and their own agenda's pitted against each other is when you have the best story dramas.
Game of Thrones is an obvious example. Lots of characters following their own agenda's. Sometimes they team up with characters of opposing perspectives, sometimes they betray them.
LOST was another great series with complex good characters, but a shitty over-complicated story line.
I don't know if you get the series Black Sails or Spartacus in the US (Australian/New Zealand productions) but if you can I recommend checking them out. B-grade and theatre actors that do an absolutely amazing job because of excellent character driven storylines!
dk and ScorpioStar
Thank you and I'm glad you like them.
The second image looks like a bizarre fusion of two universes: a dead Alien queen in the funeral scene from the end of Star Wars Episode III...
IRaptus Characters are key. Alien was all about the characters and we didn't know much about the Alien. Imagine if a new movie was about David but instead focused on the characters figuring out David's next move. We already know about David so he would be more in the background playing his games like we would expect.
@ScorpioStar I Like that beast...but it looks very big and I'm not sure it would fit in a Starship(human type)?!
That's one of the problems with Cameron's Queen Xeno.....If Ripley, Newt and Bishop had walked down the hallway or entered their cabins they would have been safe from the Queen! She could only roam in a the big load bay..worthless without her drones.
I suppose your beast also has smaller soldier drones?
David's dish refined with some veg and wine. Low and slow.
cuponator3000 that's funny, I do the same thing. Visual style is definitely important. As is the story arc.
Setting is another big one. Especially with Sci-fi films. It has to be somewhere intriguing. I get instantly hesistant if the setting looks boringly urban. Typically if I see a school, Im out. Im too old and unhip for teenage drama lol hahaa. That means you AVP:R!
Characters must be interesting and challenged.
And if you're wondering what else the Enginners were up to before their most acclaimed bug, check with a humanoid called Damon Hellandbrand - apparently, he sees us in his dreams...
@MonsterZero
I can't help you with your plot, but I can give you a hint - as you see, I come from a planet visited by the Engineers (they were far more creative back then). I can read, type, wipe out any kind of life (armed-to-the teeth Marines included), be sarcastic now and then and, I can assure you, conducting vehicles of any kind is not a problem.
What made ALIEN wonderful is we had no idea it was simply its effect on the magnificent seven that was enthralling in it innovation, ever since then people have essentially tried to do it bigger make Ripley the Alien or try and fit it into a mythos so in a sense doing the opposite of what you want contextualise its behaviour rather than expand on it.
Your post of the 12th November is the important one. Anyone can pronounce the "Beast Isn't Cooked' the really important question and answer from said question is how do you serve it up fresh.
Your idea that you move in close and explore its behavioural tics and what they mean in much more detail and in the way it antagonises the protagonists feels like development.
Now the next question would be is the broader non fanbase elements that make the movie a financial success interested. No idea, but to me to expose the beasts narrative of punishment, rape and subjugation to further examination whilst fresh is of no interest to me and puts it on the level of my interest in Davids interest in subjugating his victims to punishment rape and subjugation to create his Queen.
For me that is a glorification of wickedness and dysfunctional behaviour which is akin to wanting to sit in on the dreams of the mental ill.
un-cooking the star beast. my quick attempt:
A team of explorers land on LV 1335. They find a network of caves. The floor of the one of the enormous caves is littered with thousands of petrified eggs. Many of the eggs are massive, 20 meters in height, some pods have opened, but no signs of what was in side.
One of the team knocks over one of the smaller pods and a small little snake like creature scurries away( jump scare scene).
Two kilometers from the entrance, is a large(100 meters) door........it has been forced open and lays ajar. Drones are sent through the giant doors, but the video is scrambled and none of the drones return.
Being 'explorers' the team decide to enter the door...It's a long slippery slope downwards....one of the crew slips and smashes his/her helmet...too dangerous to continue they send 2 back to the ship for climbing equipment...the others wait just outside the door.
They find the drones destroyed near the bottom of the slope...they start finding large humanoids(Engineers)in space suits(different from Prometheus)..these are really large.
Team has to decide whether to turn back.Big argument! Everything is old and dead......no danger?
Deciding to press on..the team enters a really large chamber with thousands of caskets containing 30 meter humanoid creatures...Tomb of the Space Jockeys...
To be continued.....OR please some one pick this up from where i left it!! Where did the flahes come from...were the Engineers tomb raiding??
Even this is hard to write!! So many cliches and a tired plot! ARRGH!!
It's the worlds biggest secret!........that everyone in the world is in on!
Eggs = Facehugger + humans = Xenomorph.
How can you write anything when everyone knows the outcome!?
Need BigDave in here to get me off the roof!! Talk me out of jumping! LOL!
@MonsterZero
Perfect!
Well, oddly enough, with most movies (big tentpole events or smaller indy films) it is the first images I see. I usually only decide to watch something due the trailer. So, I think it starts with visual style for me. I have to judge the book by it's cover to get in the theater or select that title on a streaming service. For a movie to truly be a quality one and have a lasting impact, there has to be a good story. Now, some films have underwhelming stories that I still enjoy, so it can be subjective of course. But what matters to me is the style/visuals (even if only initially) and story
It's a sad ending to a promising creature. Aliens turned it into a drone/bug...something the colonial soldiers were/are well aware of. No one in the Alien series has declared: 'We've found another intelligent life form!!'... No, it's just a bug.... Xeno's probably can't operate a golf cart, let alone a starship....Their not going to invade Earth or seek out humans to terrorize ....All the stories are going to be: Space truckers/ Explorers/Soldiers stumble upon a nasty creature/pod in a cave/derelict spaceship.
I would have liked the ending of A L I E N to be: Ripley being dragged into space by the star beast........... trying to scream.... but .... no one to hear her...'slow fade'
Call: She's a risk. Leave her.
@ ScorpioStar & Leto
"It's clear that the author of this "editorial" is a Cameron person who needs just another bug hunt to feel happy again."
You could not be farther from the truth. On average the Alien works better as a lone antagonist than it does as an overwhelming horde. Alien, Alien 3, and Alien Isolation all proved this, while the only movie that respectfully portrayed the Xenomorph as a super-organism was Aliens. Resurrection, both AvP movies, and a plethora of licensed video games simply portrayed the Alien as cannon fodder, mindless bugs.
Personally, I would like to see a lone Alien facing off against heavily armed protagonists, and win through its use of cruelty, intelligence, and malicious intent. I would like to see these 'Mercenaries' hunted, tortured, and violated by what they perceive to be a mere creature. This dynamic has never been explored, in the Alien franchise at least.
As for AI, I couldn't care less. I always felt the addition of Ash and Bishop as needlessly derivative, stemmed from an over-abundance of science fiction movies from the 60's and 70's that relied heavily on the narrative beat of the corporate-conspiracy (Demon Seed, Soylent Green, Logans Run, Rollerball etc.).
Thank you for your observations about editing.
Bladerunner 2049 hijacks Prometheus 2
Michael Green was tasked with writing P 2 and I have a real strong sense that the structure of Bladerunner 2049 and its beats follow his vision for P 2. I wonder whether Ridley not only side stepped the issue of directing both films but gave Michael the chance to run with his structure for P2 on BR2049. That idea then allows us to look at cooked, cremated and very rare films.
P2 was to follow the notion of "the search for our creators" our beginning Michael and tuther guy Paglen wrote a treatment which involved one other protagonist being rumoured and multiple Davids (I think Joi plays out some of the multiple David potential). What they did was turn it into who created the Xenomorph ? whereas Bladerunner does not deal with the beginning it deals with the middle or end of mankind what is existence ?
This question of what is existence is dealt with in a much more sophisticated way in Bladerunner because it deals with consciousness and relative morality something which Davids portrayal squeezes the life out of and the pun is intended.
There are two massive gets in BR2049 the notion that a synthetic can create and the way in which such creation can offer shared consciousness. The gift of Christ a miraculous birth was the creation of a shared morality and conscience he invested and revealed himself to Mary Magdalene and the disciples. The audacious proposition of BR2049 that a synthetic can create and literally share consciousness, that for me is the message of Stelline. You pose the question which direction is that coming from who is the beginning and whom are being shared with. You offer a compelling answer. I am also curious about Luv and her physical appearance and intervention before the dam needs careful consideration.
My honest answer is when I begin a much closer acquaintance with BR2049 like Prometheus more will be revealed and I welcome further discussion with you.
To bring all of these issues together Prometheus was pulling in the direction of the Xenomoprh being a bi product of a much bigger story a side issue. At 62 thats my view of where it should stay and at 82 Ridley Scott knows the same. The reason David is the creator of the Xenomorph is not because he wanted to make a film about A I, though that is what AC looks like, its because he had to get the beast on the screen having somehow come to the conclusion that was why Prometheus received mixed reviews and to head off the Aliens retread from Blomkamp. Given the endless request for pursuing Xenomorph stories amongst fandom I have some sympathy with the latter reasoning but am disappointed he did not see the real reason Prometheus received mixed reviews.
"It's clear that the author of this "editorial" is a Cameron person who needs just another bug hunt to feel happy again."
Agree. If Alien is cooked - it was with Cameron's ALIENS-bugs. We need the invulnerable to standard weapons xenomorph like as in Alien: Isolation. The Star Beast who can't be killed. And with biomechanical design of course.
Well....Here is a chance to write a synopses / outline of a uncooked Xeno plot. I'd like to read them.
95% of the Alien franchise is humans talking to synths / AI's.....then a Xeno appears.
The problem is the characters don't feel authentic. For some reason, starting in Prometheus, the writers started to create characters that seem more like whimsical caricatures, and you can notice that clearly not only on both prequels, but also in the viral videos. It is beyond me why Ridley Scott thinks that this is the correct approach for human characters in the franchise.
In my opinion as a HUGE Alien franchise fan, my disappointment lies with Ridley Scott. Although I enoyed both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, they didnt feel fully fleshed out. They have some incredible themes on creation/destruction but they miss out on the empathy and character development which we all enjoy in our movies. The beast itself is definitely not cooked. What is lacking is a cohesive and compelling story that takes its time to sink its teeth into us and then apply gut-wrenching pressure to characters we actually care something about. Add a taste of REALISTIC action rather than b-horror dumbass character decisions and we may actually find a movie that we love to watch. Taking Neil Blomkamp off Alien was a monumental failure to recognize a visionary new director's potential to revitalise the franchise. Therefore, it is my opinion that Ridley Scott is indeed the one that is cooked, but not the amazing chestburster baby that exploded partly from his imagination almost 40 years ago...
Good riddance mr Xeno! In humble opinion what both Covenant and BR2049 lacked, and severely was originality. I've yet to see something what that Michael Green fellow was involved to be original. Some might be good, but c'mon even Logan is a Shane remake. We have formulas and cliches, enough with them. Yes we have a new 80s nostalgia on us, reusing themes and motifs but I've yet to find something that impresses me. I liked season 1 of Stranger things, was indifferent to IT (which I thought was Stranger things with Floki from vikings as an antagonist), and kind of disliked season 2.
I dislike the new Star Trek show, not because of continuity or because I'm right wing bigot, but because in 8 episodes it ripped of Alien, Dune and Groundhog Day.
The first 2 Alien movies (well the most interesting pieces of the second one in the extended cut, well at least for me) were unique because of the innovations the brought to the table (as did BR 82), but now they only cope the imitators.
Commercially speaking, maybe now would have been a great time for a xenomorph revival, but that would not make something unique. As for AI revolt, can't we get something new? For 100 years now that we have the term robot, his main activity is to revolt against his human masters.
I'll skip the latest the new nostalgia snoozefest which is Star Wars ep 8 and wait for Alex Garland's Annihilation.
Amazing! And I surely love the Magritte touch on pic #7 :)
A bit of everything, in my case.
I love Sci-Fi and horror movies, and a good, original plot is always welcome. I'm also drawn to some supporting actors and actresses who usually add up a great deal to the movie, sometimes they are even better than the main performers. Great characters usually come from them, and I've seen those guys actually improve badly written ones.
Great directors are important, they really matter in my opinion, although with "great" I don't necessarily mean "known".
Competent cinematography and edition wouldn't hurt either, for it's always nice to see something beautiful and a well-placed/edited narrative.
I agree with you guys in most aspects, but I can't help it when I think of Pixar, all that sassy wit now so domesticated.
It's clear that the author of this "editorial" is a Cameron person who needs just another bug hunt to feel happy again.
Bishop and Ash were brilliant robots. David seems a bit flat character wise; that's why I'm not keen on him.
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Everything Scott does goes through the studio, and what you read is what the press says and makes up. I'm pretty sure he doesn't see himself as some kind of messiah. He's a director with influence but trust me he can't just demand $150m and walk off into the sunset,a whole studio of exec will go over scripts and ideas with a magnifying glass before making him sign on what they say is a good idea.
Give me a cast to care about and be able able to relate to. If that happens, it doesn't matter much to me what else happens. Maybe it is too much to expect for a movie and can be done better as a mini series....sorry, I will step off the soap box.
Here is a horrible movie with no intentional humor and is only watchable with the MST3K treatment.
I think he put in the xenomorph because he was told too, because its what Fox thought the Fanboys wanted, hence his statement "If they want Aliens i'll give them f$&king Aliens."
That's why the third act was so lacklustre and rushed, because Scott didn't have the passion or even want that encounter in this film. Perhaps he arrogantly did the bare minimum with that scene to satisfy the studio, but undercooked it enough knowing it would cop criticism to prove the studio wrong about rushing the beast back in?
