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@naked lunch @Jonesy

Oh, yeah! Had that very poster in my bedroom, right next to this:

Hey guys!  Long time-   How come I cannot make out the Prometheus mural in the flashed image?  AM I missing something?  I as well think it is an embryo-

sherris

I love the idea of David/Walter the narrator a bit like Root in the final episode of Person of Interest.

It could even be a story told to his parents in the "meet walter" video.

"So what happened to you"  

"Well father some of it is difficult to piece together but I met my predecessor when the Covenant was rerouted that is how it began"

Every so often the story breaks to real time and the twist at the  end is the science division have recorded the conversation and immediately arrange for Ash to be put on board the Nostromo and be diverted.

For me working through the story and seeing Walter appear at Origae 6 and how he came to survive would be really engaging.

He would have something to say about the Engineers whose interventions could be kept at a distance and we would be puzzled over his survival (a floating space bouy) after the Xeno's W-Y ship and the colony is destroyed by the arrival of the Teardrop ship. 

It would be a dark ending but W-Y would have Walter shut down and his parents killed by a young Charles Weyland Bishop. 

This idea is probably my subconscious way of using Michaels tremendous acting skills but from the perspective of Walter looking upon David and his behaviour from a neutral moral perspective rather than the narrative being driven by a mad robot who we all want disconnected at the earliest possible moment.It all so has the effect of placing David once removed rather than as the only one who knows whats going on which is difficult when he is also the antagonist. 

Agree the shower scene seemed completely out of place, ESPECIALLY given the events of the story that had all just happened and all the deaths and activity and mood. It just seemed quite forced. I don't think anyone would've been in the mood or have the time for such a thing so quickly after everything that happened on the planet.

I'll try to answer at least one of your questions daliens. As to the other contributors...amazing contribution.

"6. Was the David report from Advent much later and Covenant closer to Earth? It did not seem that he had to wait at least 1.36 years to get a reply from the Company."

My theory is the secure link in Advent David 8 established with the Weyland-Yutani Corp is the sub-space link technology (folding space communication) we saw in Alien 3 when Ripley sent word that the xenomorph was captured and she requested to terminate the organism. 

The request to kill xenomorph was denied instantly and a confirmation was requested from Weyland-Yutani Corp as if the message was sent to the next room and back. 

Just hours later Michael Bishop and team arrived (via sub space) to try and capture a live xenomorph. This event is later in the timeline of events but it shows Weyland-Yutani tech that may be in place when David 8 sends the message in Advent.

daliens

1) The covert operation to bring on board the huggers is the link for the next film. That it was changed from three in the trays (ADF) to two regurgitated both of which achieve the same narrative benefit seems odd.. unless it is significant that David has forgotten (the whole symphony is off) he ingested three.

2) Equally keeping Tennessee alive will have a deliberate intent and give the early part of the movie a source which counters Davids dissembling including Daniels condition.

3) Why did he not divert to Earth rather than the Engineers it is about story and of course in the timeline David must stay out the way known in the end to only a handful.

4) The message to W-Y was "OK everything is back to normal' with Walters re assurance but the Advent tells us David wants to draw them in and they will go to O-6 fair seeming, but with their own agenda. I actually like this idea it links the narrative back to Sir Peter and forward to the acquisitive immoral nature of the company.

5&6) Is the message and advent slightly at odds yes but it could be explained by the Walter message buying David time with the Advent messages coming latter as you suggest. Clearly the W-Y response was we are coming they took the bait, which fits perfectly with all their future action. To them David is "just a robot" who can be switched off, they have no idea how dangerous he has become.

7) There is potentially good drama there. David sets his children on W-Y when he determines their real intensions. Indeed that might be enough is for him to use the Xeno's to occupy the W-Y factions whilst he leaves with his "Queen". Ridley has said the Xeno's will get away from Davids control a perfect metaphor would be her child hugging David and spawning the pure bio mechanical eggs. Ridley once said something got out of the hold and caused the pilot issues perfectly possible. However there is the Engineers.         

8) The Engineers, for them just to get involved in a big scrap does not feel very Ridley. One option is they come with a general intent to put mankind right and this is where the Juggernauts appear War of the Worlds like W-Y take it upon themselves to pursue war, David manages to infect them and in the closing pages escapes not realising he is infected. It does make some sort of sense for David to be heading for LV 223 for more pathogen but does not make it having been compromised. 

@sherris If you have a 4K monitor with HDR, the 4K is the only choice!

@Michelle "...For me the difference now is given two viewings I found Covenant entertaining but do not find myself thinking about the movie outside of the theatre. Prometheus on the other hand is a gem I am constantly turning over in my mind and contemplating its secrets..."

Your comments struck me as that's exactly the way I feel. A:C was "entertainment" but "Prometheus" transcends film itself. It was thought and grandeur and amazement and science and wonder and faith and mythology and monsters and God and the Devil all wrapped up in a movie that, despite its critics, will be remembered and will only gain strength over time. It remains to be seen how A:C will be regarded, and a lot will depend on how the Prequels wrap up.

So nice to hear that sherris. It may turn out to be something else entirely in the flashed image.

I kept replaying it and it looked like an embryo at first glance but the familiar shape and shadowing reminded me of the discussion we had a while back regarding the Prometheus mural.

Michelle Johnston - 

Thanks yet again i also got some knowledge from it (deus ex machina , snapshot and Framing ;)

Love the insight from your content. Mentioning the Tear Drop ship got me smiling cos that is something i long for;)

The Tear Drop ship  i thought was a wonderful essential idea. My dream was to end as we begun.

By an Acolyte birthing a Planet. Only we this time we see inside Tear Drop on approach. The Elders/Gods/Next level remain on the Planet for the ritual. Maybe it is a longer version with an act prior to the ingesting? Another custom. That would be a great ending for me. Once the film is done we go back to that enthralling intro and expand so much on it. How can we as a audience be reluctant to thay ?????????????

Anyway that was my dream ending. know i asked you about what u think they could do.

Do you have a farouvite Michelle. I know i am cheeky but could you tell me some time i would love to hear your input

sorry but AC2 sounds a million times more interesting than "Alien 5". I wouldn't mind getting a new "postquel' at some point, but Blomkamp's treatment is not appealing to me, NOR do I want to see ANY more Ripley. If the Beast is cooked, then Ripley is charcoal...

That Alien poster is really a CLASSIC. It's clean, iconic and loads of imagination. 

I would be so mad if there is no Covenant 2. I will make it happen by all means.

I've seen the HT for AC and everything they said can be debunked pretty easily. It's too bad the general public can't appreciate it more...But make up your own mind, there are too many sheeple in this world already. ALIEN also had very negative reviews at first and I believe the same goes for Covenant. 

Ingeniero - You have just made me very happy indeed.

For how long i dont know (since 2012 we know when) i have been longing for some clues as to what creature it is.

I searched everywhere and my biggest hope going into A:C was to get a glimpse of this creature. In life or Art. Alas it was not to be.

Even if this turns out to be a Neomorph from A:C which it could likely be, i still had that little bit of hope for a time. Well until the next comment tells us what it really is.

Thank you so much ;) !!!!!!!

EDIT: If anyone has anything on this creature / background etc.. feel freee;) i was told it was just an artist being creative;(

Thank you for showing this to me Lilly (Svanya). 

I enjoyed Loom. Especially the title (loom, to weave) working into how they were threading genes in their work.

It must be in the Scott family DNA in regards to film making to have scenes dark and leave many questions unanswered. 

I feel that Ridley perverted, and possibly destroyed, the Aliens franchise. For me Alien was a sci-fi horror movie where the plot revolved around a group of protagonist's struggle to survive. Suspense, horror, and building a connection between the audience and characters so that it hurt when they were ultimately killed was the primary focus. Prometheus and covenant only used the Alien universe as a plot device to tell a story which revolved around the character development of David. I really enjoyed David's plot however, by merging his story into the Alien universe David and the original elements of Alien end up in competition for screen time; I feel that Ridley should have either made actual Alien movies or pursed David through a universe tailor made to serve his story. Alien didn't have a deep though provoking plot because it didn't need one. By grafting David into alien the alien franchise has been mutated into something implicitly not Alien and doomed future continuations into the Alien universe to follow down the same path.

Pure gratitude here Kethol. Great captures.

The drawing even shows the mote swarm. Thank you again.

David is drawing an individual mote breaking from the swarm and implanting a parasite or parasite eggs in the Advent video. This confirms that the motes are the tiny flying insects we see Oram looking at through the magnifier in David's lab. David calls them the 'shock troops of the genetic assault'.

They are basically flying delivery mechanisms for the parasite, similar to what a facehugger does. 

Yes, a flute was used to activate the control room in Prometheus. David watched the Engineer do it in the hologram, then repeated the same notes to activate it himself.

Starlogger Classic poster! Sorry to hear about your comics :(

I'm working on it. Been working on it for a while. But you need Fox's assistance to make it happen.

I would like intermittent movies with series in between that explore untouched portions of the Alien Universe, NONE of which "require" "Aliens" (monsters) per se.

I did notice that part in Boss Baby. That sucked.

The other thing I noticed about Boss Baby is that the movie opened with a triangle pointing one direction and closed with a triangle pointing the other direction. 

Yeah, sure, no hidden meaning and its all for the kids.

Guys, if people want to watch those videos they should buy the DVD/Blu-Ray. Please don't post links here. Fox has removed them anyways. 

The scene with the flute is The Most Emotional scene in the movie.

I was expecting meeting David and Walter to be the most emotional..

I have always loved this:

@Lilly O man, that brings back a rush! used to collect all the sci fi series comic books (esp Alien, Star Wars) so I had that specific one until I left em all to my brother and I think it got sold at some point, sadly :(

I accept the olive branch too sherris. I'm going to take another pass at Advent...I noticed something else that may tie into Prometheus.

Another good catch with the parasitic worm Kethol.

Lilly (Svanya)

Hahaha, loving it!

cuponator3000 Nice!

dk Understandable :)

IRaptus Wow!!! Where's that from?

Timmy the ultramorph Ooh, good ones

Jonesy "Remarkably human"

                                          -David :)

If people want to watch the deleted scenes they can buy the DVD/Blu-Ray. Please don't post any links here.

Seems like you cannot talk negatively about Covenant on this forum, or you going to trigger a lot of sensitive people.  I do not care.

I am trying to keep my hopes alive for the next movie after watching again Covenant and Prometheus. It cannot be an Aliens 2, not from Ridley Scott.

If anyone has any answers regarding the questions asked below, I would be grateful to listen to them.

1. David brought on board two face hugger embryos, can he continue his experiments without the pathogen? He will use the face huggers on Daniels hoping to get a queen and subsequently more eggs. Are there any other options?

2. I don't know if a synthetic is authorized to pilot the Covenant, except monitoring its systems and evolution on the set track, assisting Mother. For landing on any planet he will need a pilot and he has Tennessee. So Tennessee has to live for the moment? He does not know the syntethic is David, not Walter.

3. On the other hand why would David continue the journey to Origae-6 and not return to Earth or another known planet within a much shorter distance, there is nothing worthy for him on Origae-6. Now that he has his flock of lambs, soon to be the rulers of the Galaxy, why would he strand himself on a distant desert island?

4. Weyland-Yutani also wants to get the xenos for their advanced weapons research, however they cannot trust David anymore. They cannot let him return to Earth, but will they send in the lovely colonial marines and set the meeting on a neutral planet?

5. What was the meaning of "Walter" reporting to W-Y that Covenant is on course to Origae-6 and all colonists remained intact and undisturbed and all the crew apart from Daniels and Tennessee perished in the solar flare incident?

6. Was the David report from Advent much later and Covenant closer to Earth? It did not seem that he had to wait at least 1.36 years to get a reply from the Company.

7. I wonder what in the message exchange with Weyland-Yutani triggered David's reply from the end of Advent: "... if you do this, there will be no turning back. My creatures shall be set loose to rule this Galaxy."

8. Did David ever mention that there are any other living Engineers anywhere else? He must have gained in depth knowledge about their existence. Apparently there were none of them left on LV_223. I don't see why Engineers would return apart for pleasing the fans, they seem rather extinct after Covenant. 

9. Any clues for how or where the announced "war of the worlds" can take place, how the eggs got on board the derelict or how the Space Jockey was face hugged? I have however an absurd theory that the Deacon was a queen who laid all the eggs from the derelict Juggernaut and we can see this at the end of Awakening, something out of context, like the birth of the Deacon in Prometheus. David or the last of the Engineers tried to escape by the loaded ship but ended as the Space Jockey.

Thank you in advance for your help.

How about an Alien Isolation TV series? I so want a 70s technology throwback with a great storyline. 

I have to lean toward your theory JPL.

In the past I projected that we didn't need a queen with the black goo technology but with the latest release of Advent...yes, it looks like we have a queen on the way via David 8's addition to the Covenant freezer and voicing his intentions.

That fits so well auximenes.

The motes coalesce into a form and then burst out. David 8 could be harvesting the early form of a neomorph.

Crazy wonderful observation with the motes. Thank you.

In the Alien Engineers script, David tells Watts "This ship has seven other cargo bays like this one. The eggs in each bay slightly different. They’ve been weaponized" suggesting 7 different types of Alien. So the idea of multiple alien species has been floating around, hopefully we get to see some more.